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Conservatives hypocrites on Lybia attack.

Your right...Gore or Kerry probably wouldn't have pulled the trigger. Obama deserves SOME credit for killing bin Laden.

Again . . . this type of witty retort is so knowledgable and productive. Hypocrisy one and all, and do not worry if it looks that way. You complain about me, but you are 10-times worse. Rules only apply to those you disagree with . . . nice!
 
Again . . . this type of witty retort is so knowledgable and productive. Hypocrisy one and all, and do not worry if it looks that way. You complain about me, but you are 10-times worse. Rules only apply to those you disagree with . . . nice!

Hypocrisy? What hypocrisy?

Dude...I paid Obama a compliment.
 
Hypocrisy? What hypocrisy?

Dude...I paid Obama a compliment.

My apologies . . . I was speeding and speed kills . . . I did not even look at the avatar, I thought you were Diogenes. I'm an idiot.
 
Your right...Gore or Kerry probably wouldn't have pulled the trigger. Obama deserves SOME credit for killing bin Laden.

If we're inclined to give Obama credit for Osama why shouldn't we credit Nixon for the moon landing instead of JFK?

Both events were conceived in previous administrations but actually carried out after much work by members of the government and military after the orignial committment had been made.
 
Kennedy knew where the Moon was, devised a working plan and set it in motion. GWB didnt.
If we're inclined to give Obama credit for Osama why shouldn't we credit Nixon for the moon landing instead of JFK?

Both events were conceived in previous administrations but actually carried out after much work by members of the government and military after the orignial committment had been made.
 
I want to know the plan for keeping the Suez open. Are we going to bribe the Muslim Brotherhood to subsidize their radical activities or are we going to pound them into the ground if they try to close it or fail to ensure safe passage?
 
Kennedy knew where the Moon was, devised a working plan and set it in motion. GWB didnt.

Comparing the processes is valid. Comparing the challenges is like apples and oranges. They can't be compared. You lose.
 
Hypocrisy? What hypocrisy?

Dude...I paid Obama a compliment.

However, the Kerry and Gore mention did make me think you were him . . . backhanded compliments are not always nice. You have no idea what they would do, just like me having no idea what other presidents would do.
 
What are you talking about? You brought it up, it was a stupid idea, I pointed it out in a couple of seconds and you say I lose. Ok man, you go.
Comparing the processes is valid. Comparing the challenges is like apples and oranges. They can't be compared. You lose.
 
I seem to remember a certen war that cost us thousands of American dead started on the lie that Saddam had nerve gas and radioactive material to make a dirty bomb. When called out on it the President said it was bad intellegence. Now the conservatives are going nutty over an attack that maybe or maybe not was caused by bad intellegence. I heard the President call it a terror attack the next day and the conservatives are screaming bloody murder. 4 dead is bad 4500 dead is much worse. Stop making political hay on a bad situation you conservative hypocrites. We stood by Bush during 9-11 so why not stand by this president during this mess?

Don't know if this has been posted yet (don't have time to go through the entire thread), but NYTimes has a brief timeline on how events in Libya unfolded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/u...on-the-benghazi-attack.html?ref=politics&_r=0
 
You are nuts. There is no question that he was referring to Benghazi. That's what he was speaking about -- not 9/11. :lol:

On September 12: "Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Can you point out the 9/11 reference?

"On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."

Irony alert there buddy. YOu can play games with what Obama said in that speech but for 2 weeks he was blaming some obscure moron who made that silly video
 
President Obama did in fact refer to the Benghazi attack as an act of terror right away. He said it then in the Rose Garden on Sept 12th, as referenced in the recent debate, and he said it again the next day in a speech in Colorado, a fact that the rightwing media echo chamber is desperately trying to ignore.


Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya
Rose Garden
10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

...And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.



Remarks by the President in Golden, CO
September 13, 2012

Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week -- we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya.

...So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. (Applause.) I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)
 
gotta like for you having the same signature as my FB page
 
I can’t help but to notice, that no one seems to want to respond to the question of why, if President Obama thought of this as an act of terror, was his staff send out to spread the rumor that this was caused by the video and was a mob that got out of hand.

Maybe you just choose to ignore that fact, but that did happen, and can’t be denied. So regardless of what the President did or didn’t mean or say, something isn’t right, and questions about this are legitimate.
 
It was still an act of terror regardless of the cause. Four people died either way, no matter what you call it, the RW just politicizes in the only way it can think of. This is just another outrage of the day. He called it terror day one. Why does fox news and the RW blogoshpere go on and on about what Obama calls terrorist? he is the Commander in Chief of the military that kills many of them, probably daily, and has killed thousands since he has been in office. I remember the day teh RW would understand action speaks louder than words. But ok, you guys sit around and worry about why Obama thought it was a video or what, keeps you from worrying about something that makes a difference.
I can’t help but to notice, that no one seems to want to respond to the question of why, if President Obama thought of this as an act of terror, was his staff send out to spread the rumor that this was caused by the video and was a mob that got out of hand.

Maybe you just choose to ignore that fact, but that did happen, and can’t be denied. So regardless of what the President did or didn’t mean or say, something isn’t right, and questions about this are legitimate.
 
I can’t help but to notice, that no one seems to want to respond to the question of why, if President Obama thought of this as an act of terror, was his staff send out to spread the rumor that this was caused by the video and was a mob that got out of hand.

Maybe you just choose to ignore that fact, but that did happen, and can’t be denied. So regardless of what the President did or didn’t mean or say, something isn’t right, and questions about this are legitimate.

Yes, they are legit. Something isn't right. Ambassador Rice (and gosh, she has certainly disappeared into silence, hasn't she?) was sent by the White House to appear on five political analysis Sunday shows. Who sent her out to blame the video? The buck stops with the President.

I want to know what happened and why the UN Ambassador was sent out--was used-- to sell a lie. Something is not right, and it doesn't appear to be an intel failure. Why were the Ambassador's concerns not acted on?

Because the text of the President's words has been provided in large-font bold, take a look at the red letters and note the word "acts." This is a plural.
 
It was still an act of terror regardless of the cause. Four people died either way, no matter what you call it, the RW just politicizes in the only way it can think of. This is just another outrage of the day. He called it terror day one. Why does fox news and the RW blogoshpere go on and on about what Obama calls terrorist? he is the Commander in Chief of the military that kills many of them, probably daily, and has killed thousands since he has been in office. I remember the day teh RW would understand action speaks louder than words. But ok, you guys sit around and worry about why Obama thought it was a video or what, keeps you from worrying about something that makes a difference.

Or in simple terms, I'm going to rant about something else ... and still ignore the facts. That's fine ... and your right..... but My self I want to know why his staff was sent out to spread lies about what really happened .... and that's my right.
 
I can’t help but to notice, that no one seems to want to respond to the question of why, if President Obama thought of this as an act of terror, was his staff send out to spread the rumor that this was caused by the video and was a mob that got out of hand.

Maybe you just choose to ignore that fact, but that did happen, and can’t be denied. So regardless of what the President did or didn’t mean or say, something isn’t right, and questions about this are legitimate.

that is the key point that the obama toadies ignore.

Mitt was technically wrong as to what Obama Said

he was 100% right in noting that the Obama administration blamed that silly video for two weeks showing it was clueless about what really happened and that is what is frightening about its lack of knowledge
 
I can’t help but to notice, that no one seems to want to respond to the question of why, if President Obama thought of this as an act of terror, was his staff send out to spread the rumor that this was caused by the video and was a mob that got out of hand.

Maybe you just choose to ignore that fact, but that did happen, and can’t be denied. So regardless of what the President did or didn’t mean or say, something isn’t right, and questions about this are legitimate.

The righwingnut media echo chamber folks seem to be always frantically grasping at straws these days but this bit of reality denial takes the cake. Did Obama label the attack on our consulate in Benghazi an "act of terror" as Romoney and the rightwing echo chamber of retards wants to deny? Yes, he did, on two occasions, on Sept 12th in the Rose Garden and again on Sept 13th in Colorado, as the transcripts prove. Was the government also still investigating the attack and trying to determine if this attack was in some way connected to the widespread rioting and demonstrations over the offensive anti-Muslim video that had been occurring all over the region at the time of the attack. Well of course they were. Only idiots jump to conclusions without checking the facts. There were several initial reports out of Benghazi that said that gunmen attacked during a demonstration over the video. Check the BBC reports on the incident published on Sept 12th, 13th and 14th that talk about US officials already suspecting that terrorist groups were involved and Libyan officials saying that the attack happened during "an anti-US protest". Obama administration officials were not silent on this, they told the press within a day that the involvement of terrorist groups was suspected and being investigated. You righties just weren't listening at the time and now you've been bamboozled into swallowing some fantasies about what happened by people desperate to turn anything that happens into an assault on Obama even if they have to lie through their teeth as they have in this case.

Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy.
BBC

12 September 2012
(excerpts)
President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice those who carried out the attack that killed the US ambassador to Libya. Ambassador J Christopher Stevens died after gunmen stormed the consulate amid protests over an anti-Islamic film. US officials said Washington was investigating whether the attack was organised in advance, rather than a spontaneous assault sparked by demonstrations over the film. Officials told Reuters there were suspicions that a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack. The group has denied the claim. They also cited reports suggesting al-Qaeda's north Africa-based affiliate, known as al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved, the news agency reports. The protests followed rallies in Cairo, where demonstrators angry at the film, called Innocence of Muslims, breached the walls of the US embassy and tore down the flag.


Libya attack: US to investigate Benghazi assault
BBC

13 September 2012
(excerpts)
The US is investigating whether the attack in Libya that killed the US ambassador and several other people was planned in advance, officials say. The assault had earlier been thought to have been a spontaneous reaction to protests over an anti-Islamic film. Armed men stormed the consulate in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday night. Officials have now said the attack was complex and professional, and reports suggest the perpetrators may have had links to jihadist groups. A senior US official quoted by AFP news agency said the Benghazi attackers appeared to have used the demonstrations as a pretext to staging an assault. "This was a complex attack," he told the news agency. "They seemed to have used this [protest] as an opportunity." US officials told Reuters news agency there were suspicions that a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was responsible, although the group has denied the claim. They said there were also reports that al-Qaeda's north Africa-based affiliate, al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved, the news agency reports.


US Libyan consulate attack: Timeline of events
BBC

14 September 2012
(excerpts)
Investigators are trying to piece together exactly what happened during Tuesday's US consulate attack in the Libyan city of Benghazi. They are trying to establish whether the assault was planned or spontaneous. Libyan Deputy Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharif has told reporters he believes militants used an anti-US protest as cover for the attack, and may have had help from inside the country's security services.


Did the 'militants' plan in advance to attack the American Consulate on 9/11 or did they get their panties in a twist over that movie, like so many other fervent Muslims in that region, and stage a more or less spontaneous attack. There's probably no way to ever really know the answer to that question but to say that the riots and turmoil caused by that movie couldn't possibly have any connection to the attack is as foolish as saying that the only possible reason for the attack was the move. Which the Obama administration never said, BTW. As the quotes above show, US officials were immediately talking about the probable involvement of organized terrorist groups in the attack. Obama showed a reasonable reluctance to rush to judgement publicly before the official investigations were complete. Remember that the US Embassy in Cairo was briefly overrun, on the same day (9/11) as the Benghazi attack, by a mob of protesters who were undeniably motivated and enraged by that movie.
 
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The righwingnut media echo chamber folks seem to be always frantically grasping at straws these days but this bit of reality denial takes the cake. Did Obama label the attack on our consulate in Benghazi an "act of terror" as Romoney and the rightwing echo chamber of retards wants to deny? Yes, he did, on two occasions, on Sept 12th in the Rose Garden and again on Sept 13th in Colorado, as the transcripts prove. Was the government also still investigating the attack and trying to determine if this attack was in some way connected to the widespread rioting and demonstrations over the offensive anti-Muslim video that had been occurring all over the region at the time of the attack. Well of course they were. Only idiots jump to conclusions without checking the facts. There were several initial reports out of Benghazi that said that gunmen attacked during a demonstration over the video. Check the BBC reports on the incident published on Sept 12th, 13th and 14th that talk about US officials already suspecting that terrorist groups were involved and Libyan officials saying that the attack happened during "an anti-US protest". Obama administration officials were not silent on this, they told the press within a day that the involvement of terrorist groups was suspected and being investigated. You righties just weren't listening at the time and now you've been bamboozled into swallowing some fantasies about what happened by people desperate to turn anything that happens into an assault on Obama even if they have to lie through their teeth as they have in this case.

Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy.
BBC

12 September 2012
(excerpts)
President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice those who carried out the attack that killed the US ambassador to Libya. Ambassador J Christopher Stevens died after gunmen stormed the consulate amid protests over an anti-Islamic film. US officials said Washington was investigating whether the attack was organised in advance, rather than a spontaneous assault sparked by demonstrations over the film. Officials told Reuters there were suspicions that a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack. The group has denied the claim. They also cited reports suggesting al-Qaeda's north Africa-based affiliate, known as al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved, the news agency reports. The protests followed rallies in Cairo, where demonstrators angry at the film, called Innocence of Muslims, breached the walls of the US embassy and tore down the flag.


Libya attack: US to investigate Benghazi assault
BBC

13 September 2012
(excerpts)
The US is investigating whether the attack in Libya that killed the US ambassador and several other people was planned in advance, officials say. The assault had earlier been thought to have been a spontaneous reaction to protests over an anti-Islamic film. Armed men stormed the consulate in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday night. Officials have now said the attack was complex and professional, and reports suggest the perpetrators may have had links to jihadist groups. A senior US official quoted by AFP news agency said the Benghazi attackers appeared to have used the demonstrations as a pretext to staging an assault. "This was a complex attack," he told the news agency. "They seemed to have used this [protest] as an opportunity." US officials told Reuters news agency there were suspicions that a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was responsible, although the group has denied the claim. They said there were also reports that al-Qaeda's north Africa-based affiliate, al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved, the news agency reports.


US Libyan consulate attack: Timeline of events
BBC

14 September 2012
(excerpts)
Investigators are trying to piece together exactly what happened during Tuesday's US consulate attack in the Libyan city of Benghazi. They are trying to establish whether the assault was planned or spontaneous. Libyan Deputy Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharif has told reporters he believes militants used an anti-US protest as cover for the attack, and may have had help from inside the country's security services.

The mortar fire and RPG's give it away.
 
I think that semantics games with liberals, personally is a dumb game....The questions I have about Benghazi are more really along the failures that led to this ambassador, and 3 other Americans being totally unprotected, other than locals being hired to man the gates in arguably the most dangerous place on the planet concerning AQ terrorists being present. What did the President know about the many attacks in the previous year? What did he know about this one, and when? And do we want a President that doesn't take more than half of his PDB's?

I have seen in here a couple of things from the liberal side that are truly disturbing....

1. a minimizing of Ambassador Stevens' and the three others deaths like they aren't as important because 3,000 others weren't killed as well....

That is just stupid, and callous.

2. A real denial of this President's ability to lead, all for the sake of cheerleading their own team....That is destructive.


Everyone should ask themselves...If this happened in Oct. of 2004 would liberals have allowed Bush to use the excuses that Obama is using?
 
It has taken a while for Obama to spin the reaction to the attacks. Now all the kool aid drinkers are "yeah, that's what he meant". Not surprised.
 
Who cares. He used the word terror and the conservatives are fishing for outrage. I don't remember the left starting a witch hunt right after the towers where brought down on 9-11. Why wan't Obama given the same respect this time.You can not stop every terror attack no matter who is in office.

Good post...
 
I care. I do not like having a president who lies to the citizens so blatantly.

You must have been elated to see Bush leave the White House then.
 
I hate to minimize lose of any life, but...Al Qaeda killed 4 people. Not exactly a demonstration of worldwide organizational strength. Some nut job in a theater can do worse than that. I think AQ is on the run. Insisting Obama did not say terror with the right tone in his voice is more of the RW outrage of the day sillyiness.

And compromised sensitve information held in a US consulate.

....and Al-Qaeda has killed far more than 4 people.
 
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