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The Real Reason WHY Obama Is Hated So Much by The Right

...That would be absolutely terrifying to a true conservative...

Terror.

We could do an entire forum on that one (1) word alone and what it means to the Neo-Republicans in this country.

I agree with much of what you say. But, you have to remember, Jealously, Envy and Hate - are all very close cousins. Wherever you find one of them, the other two are not likely to be very far away.

I was brought up to believe in certain connections:

If you lie then you will cheat.
If you cheat then you will steal.
If you steal then you will kill.

Example:

Things first start out as a lie about WMD.
Things escalate to cheating on the National Intelligence Estimate.
Things then escalate to stealing the sense of Security with 911.
Things then end up in hundreds of thousands of people getting Killed.

Thus, lying, cheating, stealing and killing, are all closely related cousins as well.

But, when you mix lying, cheating, stealing and killing with jealously, envy and hate - look out!
 
We'll always have a small percentage of haters.

Think of it as 'diversity'.

You think its a small %. I've been rooting around trying to find any statistics on racism, but there doesn't seem to be any other that some swags based on small samples. I then was struck with a reasonable method of estimation.

Seems 30% of registered republican voters believe Obama is a muslim.
IN some southern states the number is absolutely outrageous like Mississipi 52% and Ala 45%.
Apparently these stats translate to around 18% of all registered voters.
so my SWAG is roughly 20 - 25% of americans are racists. (1 in 5 to 1 in 4)

It might not be scientific, but is sorta "feels:" right to me from anecdotal experience.

therefore, in answer to your question, as the first black president, there are some 60 million americans running around hatin' his ass.
 
You think its a small %. I've been rooting around trying to find any statistics on racism, but there doesn't seem to be any other that some swags based on small samples. I then was struck with a reasonable method of estimation.

Seems 30% of registered republican voters believe Obama is a muslim.
IN some southern states the number is absolutely outrageous like Mississipi 52% and Ala 45%.
Apparently these stats translate to around 18% of all registered voters.
so my SWAG is roughly 20 - 25% of americans are racists. (1 in 5 to 1 in 4)

It might not be scientific, but is sorta "feels:" right to me from anecdotal experience.

therefore, in answer to your question, as the first black president, there are some 60 million americans running around hatin' his ass.

I wonder how many of Obama's voters in 2008 actually believed he was competent.
 
irrelevant.

you are correct. whether Obama was competent was completely irrelevant to most of those who supported Obama
 
You think its a small %. I've been rooting around trying to find any statistics on racism, but there doesn't seem to be any other that some swags based on small samples. I then was struck with a reasonable method of estimation.

Seems 30% of registered republican voters believe Obama is a muslim.
IN some southern states the number is absolutely outrageous like Mississipi 52% and Ala 45%.
Apparently these stats translate to around 18% of all registered voters.
so my SWAG is roughly 20 - 25% of americans are racists. (1 in 5 to 1 in 4)

It might not be scientific, but is sorta "feels:" right to me from anecdotal experience.

therefore, in answer to your question, as the first black president, there are some 60 million americans running around hatin' his ass.

Did you consider the correlation might run the other way and they mostly may hate Obama for rational reasons and it just manifests itself in racial ways because that is a convenient shorthand for them to express their hate?
 
I've never hated anybody I never met. Wait...Does Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow count?
 
you are correct. whether Obama was competent was completely irrelevant to most of those who supported Obama

cute.
Obama is competent and capable. He ain't perfect, but he has a pretty decent list of accomplishments. Of course as a mighty righty you see things differently particularly since your collective amnesia of the massive cluster f**k he got handed to him on day one. He coped with that and then had to cope with the worst political obstructionism in history and still got some things done. Your just pissed because he isn't the wimpy pushover you so much want him to be.

you hate him so much that you are willing to forgive the man in holy underwear for all of his lying, flipflops, misrepresentations, unworkable plans. A man who will say just about anything to get elected. You ignore all of the walkbacks his campaign has had to issue for statements he made.
He has gone from the extremely conservative all my life to the moderate conservative of the last 4 weeks of the election cause he can't win any other way.

Great guy to have in the white house. He'll just pick up is etchasketch when things go wrong and claim he never said that.
 
Did you consider the correlation might run the other way and they mostly may hate Obama for rational reasons and it just manifests itself in racial ways because that is a convenient shorthand for them to express their hate?

I considered that, but rejected it because if these "voters" cannot discern a simple truth like Obama not being a muslim, then they live in a bubble of low information. That low information precludes them from actually being able to evaluate complex concepts like healthcare, taxation, economic strategy, etc.. Given that I opted for Occam and decided it was attributable to racism. (ps. I realize within the respondants there might actually be people as you describe, but I beleive they are more than compensated for by the democratic and undecided bigots in existence).
 
I considered that, but rejected it because if these "voters" cannot discern a simple truth like Obama not being a muslim, then they live in a bubble of low information. That low information precludes them from actually being able to evaluate complex concepts like healthcare, taxation, economic strategy, etc.. Given that I opted for Occam and decided it was attributable to racism. (ps. I realize within the respondants there might actually be people as you describe, but I beleive they are more than compensated for by the democratic and undecided bigots in existence).

Perhaps but here is the shorthand of conversations I have had: "I hate that F'ing Lesbian B**** Hillary Clinton" "What makes you think she is a lesbian?" "STFU, you know what I mean." It is redneck shorthand for "I hate liberals."
 
Did you consider the correlation might run the other way and they mostly may hate Obama for rational reasons and it just manifests itself in racial ways because that is a convenient shorthand for them to express their hate?

It's not one or the other. Some people hate Obama, just like they hated Clinton, because he's a Democrat. They hate him like an Auburn fan hates the Crimson Tide. Others, and I think it's a relatively small minority, hate him because he's an uppity black man in the highest office in the land ... AND he's the Crimson Tide.
 
I will weigh in again. I think I posted a reason previously...

Anyway, the people who vted for him probably feel betrayed. They had their hopes and dreams invested in him and he let them down.
 
It's not one or the other. Some people hate Obama, just like they hated Clinton, because he's a Democrat. They hate him like an Auburn fan hates the Crimson Tide. Others, and I think it's a relatively small minority, hate him because he's an uppity black man in the highest office in the land ... AND he's the Crimson Tide.

I think for a minority it is pure KKK type racism. I think for others it is that his race makes him even more of an obvious liberal in their mind. I cannot speak for the GOP since, as shocking as it might be, I am not a republican, but I suspect some may step up their hate of Obama with the hope that it will help them better tolerate Romney whom they see as not a true republican the way they see themselves as a true republican. I have yet to meet a republican who sees Romney as anything other than the slightly lesser of two evils.
 
I'm a conservative (Not a Repullican) and I certainly don't hate Obama. I try not to hate anyone, and I ususally do a good job.

I disagree heavily with Obama's policies... some Obama fans might try to pin negativity on the policies onto some sort of personal hatred to explain it, and then smear the people who dare do so in the process.

I thought this was just going to be another race card thread by the title.

I am conservative on most issues. I didn't vote for him in 2008 because I fundamentally disagree with his views. I am happily going to not vote for him again because I think he's been a poor President. He has rarely, IMO, displayed good judgment or strength, and he has mainly failed in what he set out to do. His race isn't an issue; his competence is.
 
What on earth do you think this man could have done that he has not done already, that would have caused the unemployment rate to actually be lower than it is right now? Can you answer that question?

In fact, I dare you to answer that question.

I'll answer your question.

The main problem is that all the things he did already were the wrong things. He could have done almost anything he didn't do and unemployment would be lower.

Ideally, in order to spur a recovery he should have done almost nothing.
 
This whole thread reeks of coherent thought couched in stereotyping. You played the race card right there in the OP. You played it several more times in the first page. I do not hate Obama. I hate the corrupt, broken political system that spawned him: Chicago. I hate the policies he forwards that are not working. I hate the cronyism and political insider quid pro quo, that he ran on ending, that is virulent within his administration. I hate that his answer to every problem is to find someone to demonize instead of trying to find creative solutions. I hate it that we elected someone with such a maturity deficit and lack of class to declare "I won" to shut down opposition without realizing---he represents all the people, not just the one that voted for him. I hate the fact that a President should feel the need to apologize for American values and beliefs.

I hate that we elected someone that seems to be a complete amateur and unable to take responsibility for both the good and the bad of his Presidency.
 
What on earth do you think this man could have done that he has not done already, that would have caused the unemployment rate to actually be lower than it is right now? Can you answer that question?

In fact, I dare you to answer that question.

I don't have the time to read all the stuff you claim to analyze on a daily basis. I have a job that takes up most of my time.

I never get into debates with dueling statistics or data sources. Everything I say comes from nothing my own opinions based on my experience over the past 70+ years of observing life.

I am a staunch conservative - meaning that I believe in the constitution of the United States and think that anything that we do in contravention of that document is wrong. I believe that if culture and technology cause it to be antiquated in terms of applicability to an evolution of thought and process, then the instrument itself provides the answer - go thru the amendment process like we did for slavery for instance. We should never go thru a judicial process to look for 'loopholes' in the constitution or 'emanations from penumbra' to 'legislate from the bench' a controversial issue.

That said, I know centrists, centrists are friends of mine, and you, sir, are no centrist. Every reading of any of your posts take a hard leftist line. I have seen nothing but total ignorance of conservative thought on your part.

Every allegation you launch at conservatives in general and Romney in particular are stereotypes taken completely from the far left fringe of the DNC playbook.

No to answer your challenging rhetorical question - completely from my observations.

First - He might consider working with the GOP to come up with a true 'balanced approach' to deal with the economic problem. His definition of a 'balanced approach' is that the GOP has to vote exactly the way he wants them to. He does not recognize the existence of a legitimate point that deserves to be considered and negotiated away. It is his way or the highway. His response to such recommendations when confronted early in his presidency was "Elections have consequences - I won."

Second - he needed to give up on his election mantra of 'soak the rich' as his ONLY tool for dealing with the economy. He knows that is a lie - it is only useful as a campaign tactic to influence those ignorant voters who are obsessed with envy or greed or irresponsibility. Obama is intelligent enough to know that 'more taxes on the rich' will have exactly zero positive impact on the real economic problems. Taking 100 percent of their income would only run the government for half a year - and then their contributions for the remainder of eternity would be zero and we would really be in a worse fix.

Third - He could start acting as President of the United States instead of a community organizer who is motivated only by increasing his voter base by continued pandering to the very segments that are a big part of the problem (not only economic but cultural as well.) [I find it difficult to stay on strictly economic issues here.] Every thing he has done as president has been to exacerbate the problem he 'inherited' instead of trying to alleviate it. His 'stimulus' package was a payoff to his big money donors and vote-buyers. It did absolutely nothing for the economy except saddle it with another trillion dollars of debt. What it did was to save a lot of public union jobs so they could continue to provide their dues to go into buying and sheparding votes for him in the next election. That and kickbacks to his big money bundlers and donors in the 'green energy' debacles. His 'bailout' of GM and Chrysler (obviously not needed because Ford is doing just a well without the bailout) was nothing more than a transfrerral of their assets to the unions that caused the problems they had in the first place.

Fourth - he could have stopped lying when his campaign ended and started acting as POTUS instead of beginning his next campaign immediately. His 'saving' of the auto industry was nothing more than an implementation of what he continues to mock Romney about = 'making Detroit go bankrupt.' His characterization of what Romney suggested is a lie. Romney wanted the companies to go thru a structured bankruptcy in order to come out with a sustainable business model that would have ensured their long term survivability as prosperous corporations. Instead, Obama implemented an unfair bankruptcy that gave the unions what they wanted and shafted the taxpayers with debt. Obama calls this 'saving GM' but what he did was delay the time when a real bankruptcy will have to be negotiated - with much larger implications then next time. But in the meantime, his union thugs are pumping money into his campaign coffers. Same story with the green energy debacles - he rewarded his donors at the expense of the taxpayers. If you were not an Obama donor or vote buyer you were dumped - ask the Delphi employees who were completely destroyed while he was 'saving GM' for his union buds.

Fifth - he could have tried a model that had worked in a similar instance of economic trouble = the Reagan model. Instead, he chose the exact opposite tack than Reagan did. And with the disastrous results we have seen in the past four years.

Sixth - nevermind - I am sure your centrist mind has stopped caring at point number one - and I have to get ready for work.
 
I think for a minority it is pure KKK type racism. I think for others it is that his race makes him even more of an obvious liberal in their mind. I cannot speak for the GOP since, as shocking as it might be, I am not a republican, but I suspect some may step up their hate of Obama with the hope that it will help them better tolerate Romney whom they see as not a true republican the way they see themselves as a true republican. I have yet to meet a republican who sees Romney as anything other than the slightly lesser of two evils.

Wow - another 'independent' spewing the radical DNC party line. I need to go back and refer to my Oxford dictionary on the meaning of 'independence.' Or maybe I just don't understand this site's usage of the word. If it really mean 'independent' as is normally understood, then a lot of people on this board are abusing the privilege of defining their beliefs. But, who cares. It is your commentary that is to be analyzed, regardless of what you call yourself.

First - if anyone alleges that someone else 'hates' someone then it is absolutely incumbent upon them to provide an actual INSTANCE of such hatred. It must be ubiquitous, it must be egregious, it must be a problem to avoid.

SO - all you 'hate' allegators = what is your example. Even ONE example would do - but you should be able to start reeling them off like water over Niagra if it is so ever-present as to make a thread about it or to inject it into every political discussion you come across.

I tire of this unimaginative crap - I think it comes primarily from their fatigue at saying "racism" so much that they need to find another allegation to alternate with.

Those who accuse anyone of 'hating' Obama are just liars who are willfully ignorant of the truth.
 
I realize that this is a little off topic here...but as I was reading through each of your posts on this thread and thinking about other ones that I have read recently. I think I have the answer. It isn't a problem with people hating Obama or Romney. And the problem really isn't even most of the issues that everyone sits here night and night arguing about. It is the hate that people have for one another. The exact hate that is demonstrated here on this board day after day. No one cares what the other one thinks, no one really wants to hear what the other one thinks if it differs from themselves, everyone calls each other names with grand adjectives before them. The problem really is the people of this country are divided. That is what breeds the hate, in my opinion.
Very well said.

People are also much more easily divided because communication methods have become much more impersonal. We used to talk, now we text. It's nothing to jump onto a message board like this and call someone who you have never met a dumb SOB just because you disagree with them. There is no emotional attachment and it's only getting worse. Respecting your fellow man seems to be an outdated concept...
 
You think its a small %. I've been rooting around trying to find any statistics on racism, but there doesn't seem to be any other that some swags based on small samples. I then was struck with a reasonable method of estimation.

Seems 30% of registered republican voters believe Obama is a muslim.
IN some southern states the number is absolutely outrageous like Mississipi 52% and Ala 45%.
Apparently these stats translate to around 18% of all registered voters.
so my SWAG is roughly 20 - 25% of americans are racists. (1 in 5 to 1 in 4)

It might not be scientific, but is sorta "feels:" right to me from anecdotal experience.

therefore, in answer to your question, as the first black president, there are some 60 million americans running around hatin' his ass.



'Disgust' is not 'racism'.
 
I don't "hate" Obama. I don't even know him, so how could I hate him? I dislike him, distrust him, find him arrogant, and think he's bad for this country. That isn't "hate".

I could also say that the left "hated" George W. Bush.
 
There has been a lot of low brow, tasteless, racist, nasty jokes going around about him. It is not everyone, but there is a very loud minority of people who make it their life's work to hate on Obama. He touched a collective nerve of hate and bigotry I think america forgot existed.

Yeah. Black jokes are the worst... they are just so dark.
 
That's the kind of man, or woman I want in the White House. Steady. Solid. Stable. Consistent. Vision. Intelligent. Calm. Rational. Coherent. Committed to The People's best interest. Here's why I support the President's Re-Election. These are also some of the very same reasons WHY Obama is hated so much by the Right:
I don't hate Obama, but I disagree with many of his policies. I want a president who is committed to upholding the constitution.
 
I don't hate Obama, but I disagree with many of his policies. I want a president who is committed to upholding the constitution.

Of course, it depends on the reading of the Constitution. We seen people get the reading quite wrong, or ignore better than 200 years of history.
 
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