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Another Obama "success"

didn't take long to derail this thread did it?

Rob,2 questions for you

1, why do you find holding Obama responsible for anything to be so very difficult?

2, when did you decide to become a Democrat/Obamabot?... you've been a 3rdparty guy for along time, why the switch now?
 
Chickenhawks said:
Cant wait to cheer American failure, typical and disgusting...

I am a patriotic American, I cheer on American companies, if you hate America so much then get the hell out!

The same filthy disgusting garbage that would be happy to report this would love to see GM go broke...

You people make my blood boil, and I am not the only one...thank god
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What's disgusting is celebrating failure in the name of patriotism that's paid for with tax payer contributions.
 
JEthrid said:
So now you're blaming Obama for something that hasn't even happened yet? I agree he's trying to promote green energy the wrong way through top down economics, instead of giving tax credits to people who purchase green energy technology
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He is doing that too, where have you been. Obama gives a 30% tax credit to anyone buying a solar panel or windmill.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1061030026 said:
What's disgusting is celebrating failure in the name of patriotism that's paid for with tax payer contributions.
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I find it entertaining as hell that liberals and democrats are lining up in here to cheer on corporate subsidies and giveaways...and not having a problem when some of those giveaway go up in smoke.

I'd like for them to tell me more fairy tales about being opposed to corporate welfare.
 
Oopsie! Looks like the initial investments were made under George Bush's administration:

Battery firm bankruptcy comes after bipartisan funding under both Bush and Obama - First Read

But A123, based in Watertown, Mass., but with manufacturing plants in Michigan, got funding under the administrations of both Obama and President George W. Bush. The firm got a crucial influx of early money from the Bush administration in 2001 and 2003. In fact, the firm might not have been alive in 2009 to get its Obama stimulus funding if it hadn’t been for earlier subsidies under the Bush administration.

In a speech at a business conference on Sept. 4, 2008, then-Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman noted that in 2003 his department had made an award under the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program to A123 Systems for work on lithium-ion batteries.
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Born Free said:
He is doing that too, where have you been. Obama gives a 30% tax credit to anyone buying a solar panel or windmill.
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You're right, I should've said just giving tax credits to people who purchase green energy technology. You can't just throw money at these companies and expect them to manufacture competitive products. Especially since the Chinese have such a strong foothold in that market.
 
Thrilla said:
well, as usual, the Obama administration is not responsible for their actions.


color me surprised.
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Read the article again, and focus on the word bipartisan.
 
SMTA said:
Read the article again, and focus on the word bipartisan.
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reading it once was enough..... the Bush administration gave them grants for 850,000... the Obama administration gave them grants for 249 million, an additional 5 million, and then another 5 million.

259,850,000 dollar giveaway to a company whose products had little or no demand.
 
Thrilla said:
didn't take long to derail this thread did it?

Rob,2 questions for you

1, why do you find holding Obama responsible for anything to be so very difficult?
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I don't. There are definitely things I hold him responsible for. Not closing Gitmo. Status quo with the Patriot Act if not expanding its use even. These drive by blame games though without any attempt at being rational... gets my hackles up. This is a program put together by Republicans and put into place by Republicans. If people wanted to kill the program and that was their argument... that's debateable and fine. But the whole "there's this program... It's Obama's fault"... it's bullcrap and I just feel like blowing the BS horn when somenone comes in acting like they have knowledge when what they really have is just a falsehoods echo.

Thrilla said:
2, when did you decide to become a Democrat/Obamabot?... you've been a 3rdparty guy for along time, why the switch now?
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Still independent... Still considering Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, but yeah, I'm leaning more Obama as of late. Mostly due to the economy and how I'm liking the way it is trending. Also Obamacare... I hate the way it was put together but it is unfolding favorably. He should've had more nuts in the beginning instead of this timed release package.

Did you just lose all kinds of respect for me?
 
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tererun said:
These may be bad, but expected. Perhaps i am just desensitized from our last president. Ruining a surplus and sending us into a depression. 2 wars which we are still paying for. 3000 US civilian casualties and the worst attack on US soil ever. Promoting the housing bubble. near fatally wounding the US auto industry. Failing to catch the world's biggest enemy in 7 years. Allowing huge security warnings to go unheard resulting in 9/11. Destabilizing the middle east. Pissing off the entire world. Promoting the growth and prosperity of china. It seems that he might have even boosted russia up to being our biggest enemy again, but only Miott and company say that so it may be a lie.

Yeah, in light of those disasters an electric car battery manufacturer going bankrupt when the auto industry is doing everything it can to keep cars running on gasoline doesn't seem to be all that impressive on the failure scale. But maybe you guys had family who worked for thaty company and that is really important to you. I can tell you being fired or having a family member fired is nothing to having friends, family, or you personally dieing in a huge fireball and collapsing skyscrapers in NYC. Just from a person who knows. I think most of them would have preferred a layoff. Good luick finding a new job. t least you won't have to worry about those pesky lingering health effects of breathing in dead burnt bodies like the first responders have.

He is not the worst president this century or even last century, or do i need to get into the reagan recession, trickle down economics. The 70's gas crisis. Nuclear russia fears. Cuban missile crisis. The vietnam war. the great depression. Pearl harbor. Seriously, you are trying to tell us a few people from an electric car battery manufacturer being laid off is the worst thing ever? Are you serious, or was this supposed to be a parody?
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Wow, it is obvious that you do in fact live on the dark side of the moon. First, 9/11 was on Slick Willie. Yes, it happened during the Bush Presidency, but the planning, training and laying of the ground work took place during the time of Bill Clinton and his devastation of the Military and the Intel Community. How do you think he was able to create a "surplus"? First he closed how many bases and reduced the military by how many Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines? Then he reduced the human intel assests on the ground in the Middle East and other strategic places in the world. Wow, surprise that some crazed freedom haters managed to pull of the biggest surprise attack against this country since when....Yes, Pearl Harbor, and who was cutting defense spending then? Say thank you to Woodrow Wilson and Mr. Roosevelt......PROGRESSIVES!!!!! See the trend here.

Go back to listening to Pink Floyd and wishing for your days in the '60s.
 
pdog said:
Wow, 2 out of 29 companies. What an epic failure!? I'm glad you didn't grade my homework in college. In the mean time could you share the name of your portfolio manager? I've been looking to get into some high yield zero risk investments.:doh
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Alan Colmes, speaking with O'Reilly on this issue, when asked to name a company that has succeeded under Obama's green energy mentioned BioGreen Diesel. Solid work - a company producing biodiesel in South Africa that doesn't have a single pump open to provide retail biodiesel. Talk about outsourcing and wasting taxpayer money.
 
poweRob said:
I don't. There are definitely things I hold him responsible for. Not closing Gitmo. Status quo with the Patriot Act if not expanding its use even. These drive by blame games though without any attempt at being rational... gets my hackles up. This is a program put together by Republicans and put into place by Republicans. If people wanted to kill the program and that was their argument... that's debateable and fine. But the whole "there's this program... It's Obama's fault"... it's bullcrap and I just feel like blowing the BS horn when somenone comes in acting like they have knowledge when what they really have is just a falsehoods echo.
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well, it would be nice if you went back to being openly critial of all parties .... you've basically turned into an obamabot as of late.



poweRob said:
Still independent... Still considering Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, but yeah, I'm leaning more Obama as of late. Mostly due to the economy and how I'm liking the way it is trending. Also Obamacare... I hate the way it was put together but it is unfolding favorably. He should've had more nuts in the beginning instead of this timed release package.

Did you just lose all kinds of respect for me?
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yeah..you lost points

I like the way the economy is starting to trend as well... but i'm not going by government stats ( haven't trusted them in decades, as there is always political spin and bull**** behind them)...i'm going by business trends in the import/export world.

i've never been one to credit or blame a President for the economy... his place in the economy is very small.
he can't create jobs.. he can't create economies.. he can't create markets... ergo, he's useless to me

Obamacare ..well.. it sucks.... taking a flawed system and giving it steroids is not a good thing... it's a very stupid thing...I do not reward stupidity.
 
Thrilla said:
well, it would be nice if you went back to being openly critial of all parties .... you've basically turned into an obamabot as of late.




yeah..you lost points

I like the way the economy is starting to trend as well... but i'm not going by government stats ( haven't trusted them in decades, as there is always political spin and bull**** behind them)...i'm going by business trends in the import/export world.

i've never been one to credit or blame a President for the economy... his place in the economy is very small.
he can't create jobs.. he can't create economies.. he can't create markets... ergo, he's useless to me

Obamacare ..well.. it sucks.... taking a flawed system and giving it steroids is not a good thing... it's a very stupid thing...I do not reward stupidity.
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OK for a personal aside... I've been doing construction for three years and when we used to get supplies 3 years ago in the contractors end of Home Depot... it was dead. And I mean a ghost town. These days there are actual lines of contractors at the checkout. This what I've seen change personally. And if construction is up, spending is definitely up. I think most of the work though is repairs and upgrades long ignored due to a **** economy. So now everyone is playing catch-up.
 
So when is AIG going to pay back $170B they owe?

How can they when they only profit a few $B peryear?????????????

Nice try at distraction.........
 
MaggieD said:
Do your own homework to prove your point. I did. Don't want to? You're just flappin' your gums.
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You know I tried to be nice by respecting the fact that you at least attempted a counter argument, but who's really flapping gums here - you did notprove a point - you did exactly what the OP did - posted a couple instance without context of the bigger picture. I gave you that context that you're hoping everybody else doesn't look up - 50 out of 55 companies accross two programs are still operating. How on earth am I supposed to consider this a failure?? If you want to throw more programs into the mix fine, but if you're not going to bother looking up the entirety of the program, I'm sure not going to do it for you when you've already ignored the last two. You can list out all the blemishes that you want, but without knowing the larger picture, the only thing anybody is doing here is cherry picking. Do you drop a mutual fund because the manager picked one stinker out of 10 even if he brought you a return? Do you even bother looking at the individual stocks?

MaggieD said:
Just to add kerosene to the fire, Gregory Friedman, the DOE's Inspector General, tells us:
We currently have 64 open investigations associated with the Recovery Act, nearly 25 percent of our current case load. Schemes under investigation include the submission of false information in applications for funding, fraudulent claims for rebates, claims for unallowable or unauthorized expenses, the directing of contracts and grants to friends and family, weatherization fraud to include mischarging, and other attempts to fraudulently obtain Recovery Act funds.
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What does this tell us? Absolutely nothing. What the hell is 25% of their case load? Are we still talking about energy policy or the entire ARRA? Sorry, but it’s not my job to fill in your incomplete arguments.
MaggieD said:
Remember, this has nothing to do with failed companies.
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You’re right – the OP was about the implication of failed policies even though the implication itself can’t be deemed a failure in the larger picture. If you want to object to the alternative energy policy, then fine. But if you think you have this massive amount of evidence backing you’re objection, you are mistaken.
 
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