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Okham's Razor

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Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
The stock market has almost doubled.
5 million private sector jobs have been created since 2009.
GDP has been growing since 2009.
Americans net worth is up $10 trillion dollars since 2009.
Auto sales are up. Retail sales are up. Home sales are up.
Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive.
Millions are able to buy private healthcare policies and millions have the security they will not be dropped in the event of a preexisting condition.
The US needs to continue climbing its way out and I like the contrast from 2008 when the economy crashed.
Romney has all the same people lined up as advisors as BuCheney when they spent on war profiteering and cut taxes on the wealthy and gave a windfall of billions to BigPharma that we could not afford.

Do we need to get better ... yes.

Obama-Biden 2012 Forward
 
Great, so if you think times are good, vote for Obama. If you think things should be better, vote for Romney.

I'll take that trade-off.
 
What specifically is Romney's plan to make it "better"?

Obama was handed a nose diving and he did levle it and make it better ... and I want that forward momentum. We watched what war profiteering and trickle down from the .5% did for us under BuCheney. Romney talks the same game and has the same advisors. He has a secret plan and he runs on his secret finances that he will not share openly with the American citizens.





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Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
The stock market has almost doubled.
5 million private sector jobs have been created since 2009.
GDP has been growing since 2009.
Americans net worth is up $10 trillion dollars since 2009.
Auto sales are up. Retail sales are up. Home sales are up.
Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive.
Millions are able to buy private healthcare policies and millions have the security they will not be dropped in the event of a preexisting condition.
The US needs to continue climbing its way out and I like the contrast from 2008 when the economy crashed.
Romney has all the same people lined up as advisors as BuCheney when they spent on war profiteering and cut taxes on the wealthy and gave a windfall of billions to BigPharma that we could not afford.

Do we need to get better ... yes.

Obama-Biden 2012 Forward

Obama has lined up the same failing team that has failed the last four years.


ITs nice seeing blind followers They are amusing
 
What specifically is Romney's plan to make it "better"?

Obama was handed crap and he did make it better ... and I want that forward momentum. We say what war profiteering and trickle down from the .5% did for us under BuCheney. Romney talks the same game and has the same advisors.


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Obunny promised we'd have unemployment rates well below the 8+% average we have had with his failed administration

His massive planned tax hikes are going to cause massive problems-

I guess as long as single women can feel the government will pay for their abortions, that is all they need to drink the Obama Koolade
 
The whole "times are great" argument is probably not going to be a winner for Obama, regardless of what numbers the Politburo come out with. People need to be able to feel the progress themselves.
 
Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
The stock market has almost doubled.
5 million private sector jobs have been created since 2009.
GDP has been growing since 2009.
Americans net worth is up $10 trillion dollars since 2009.
Auto sales are up. Retail sales are up. Home sales are up.
Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive.
Millions are able to buy private healthcare policies and millions have the security they will not be dropped in the event of a preexisting condition.
The US needs to continue climbing its way out and I like the contrast from 2008 when the economy crashed.
Romney has all the same people lined up as advisors as BuCheney when they spent on war profiteering and cut taxes on the wealthy and gave a windfall of billions to BigPharma that we could not afford.

Do we need to get better ... yes.

Obama-Biden 2012 Forward

It's nice that all this stuff is finally happening. Too bad it's taken four years instead of the average 18 months...thanks to Obama. Anyway, things will pick up when we dump Obama and get Romney in the White House.
 
Please quit abusing scientific terms you know nothing about;

Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor, Latin lex parsimoniae) is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.
 
Unemployment is down and 401K are up. Tax cuts for middle class Americans and millions allowed to buy private insurance policies.

No war profiteering and calm resolute intelligence can save billions!

My mother who is retired has the highest 401K and mine is the highest it has been. There are sectors and regions that are dragging. My son just graduated from college and was hired with a private firm within 3 weeks. He biked his way through the BMW's in the parking lot and companies are hiring.

I like a POTUS who invests in America as opposed to profiteering legislation for a handful and tax cuts to a handful while bleeding the middle class of their money and their sons.

Biden even cornered Ryan into facingAmerica if we would get mired in another ground war that we cannot afford!
 
To be fair, I think she's saying the simplest answer to all the good economic news is that Obama is doing a good job. In that sense, she's using the term correctly.

Too bad the economy is actually terrible.

Please quit abusing scientific terms you know nothing about;
 
Umemployment has dropped from 10.2% to 7.8%
...after cooking the books. U6 Unemployment is up to 14%.

The stock market has almost doubled.
It's been proven that the stock market is a poor indicator of the economy. Companies are hoarding money for fear of your master, Lord Obama.

5 million private sector jobs have been created since 2009.
Yeah...most of those were part-time jobs or temporary positions.

GDP has been growing since 2009.
...at the slowest rate of any prior administration. ANY of them.

Americans net worth is up $10 trillion dollars since 2009.
Got proof of this, or is it just what Obama told you? Does this take into consideration the crushing debt he's incurring?

Auto sales are up. Retail sales are up. Home sales are up.
Again...at a tragically slow rate.

Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive.
Obama had nothing to do with Bin Laden. Right place at the right time.
As far as G.M...he doesn't give a rat's behind about G.M...only the unions.

Millions are able to buy private healthcare policies and millions have the security they will not be dropped in the event of a preexisting condition.

Actually, Obama's created such a hostile environment for private healthcare, they're crumbling. Just like his fascist ObamaCare was designed for them to do.

Do we need to get better ... yes.
Not at the rate your fascist leader is doing it.

Obama-Biden 2012 Forward
You do know that "Forward" has, historically, been a communist mantra, right?

So...tell me...do you have your ObamaPhone? Foo' Stamps?
 
Please quit abusing scientific terms you know nothing about;

That is all you have?

I use the razor everyday with my science degree and life's work.

You just failed.
 
I use the razor everyday
I didn't think OccuTards used razors? Thought they went with that "I-haven't-attended-to-my-hygiene-in-three-months" look?
 
The whole "times are great" argument is probably not going to be a winner for Obama, regardless of what numbers the Politburo come out with. People need to be able to feel the progress themselves.

What's funny is you keep doing this straw man that nobody said and think that you stuffing words in other people's mouths somehow works as an argument.

*Hint: It doesn't work.

Right there in the OP she said:

Dion said:
Do we need to get better ... yes.

You ignore that and say silly strawman crap like:

Peter Grimm said:
The whole "times are great" argument

and

Peter Grimm said:
so if you think times are good, vote for Obama

Now, I know you read her OP qualifying that things aren't as great as they should be so the question is... why are you acting so intellectually dishonest?
 
I didn't think OccuTards used razors? Thought they went with that "I-haven't-attended-to-my-hygiene-in-three-months" look?

I don't think she is an OWS member. but that was funny. her posts appear to be campaign material though
 
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So...tell me...do you have your ObamaPhone? Foo' Stamps?

ahhh Weak and not evidence based.

I have never needed the safety nets in place and pay taxes at almost twice % that Romney does. I am happy the safety nets were there for Paul Ryan and his mother when his father died.

Sorry pal ... I buy and grow my own organic food and I pay for the 3 iphones used by myself and my two sons.
 
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ahhh Weak and not evidence based.

I have never needed the safety nets in place and pay taxes at almost twice that Romney does. I am happy they were there for Paul Ryan and his mother when his father died.

Sorry pal ... I buy and grow my own organic food and I pay for the 3 iphones used by myself and my two sons.

you pay over 3 million in taxes.

LOL I am dying of laughter

and if you are talking about an effective rate NO YOU DO NOT PAY AN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE OF 28% so stop lying
 
Well gee whiz, Rob.

She's got like 10 lines of data attempting to show just how great the economy is.

My point, which some people got, was that the data don't really matter. People know the economy is not doing well because the economy affects them personally.

So if Obama's narrative tomorrow is going to be to try to convince everyone how great the economy is, that plays right in to Romney's hands.

What's funny is you keep doing this straw man that nobody said and think that you stuffing words in other people's mouths somehow works as an argument.

*Hint: It doesn't work.

Right there in the OP she said:



You ignore that and say silly strawman crap like:



and



Now, I know you read her OP qualifying that things aren't as great as they should be so the question is... why are you acting so intellectually dishonest?
 
you pay over 3 million in taxes.

LOL I am dying of laughter

and if you are talking about an effective rate NO YOU DO NOT PAY AN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE OF 28% so stop lying
As if she's even SEEN $3MM.

Maybe this is the one who spends $3,000 a year on birth control?
 
I don't think she is an OWS member. but that was funny. her posts appear to be campaign material though

No time to work on any campaigns ...although I did volunteer in 2008 with my sons pediatrician. I lived in a conservative county at the time that was also the highest in social ills such as meth, child abuse and disability. I was there for a project ... it was heavy on Bush!

I didn't think OccuTards used razors? Thought they went with that "I-haven't-attended-to-my-hygiene-in-three-months" look?

What a response ... to my OP! Wow and those who "liked" this reply.

No sorry ... no issues there! I am clean, healthy, well groomed and just out of my evening soak after a good professional day.
 
Well gee whiz, Rob.

She's got like 10 lines of data attempting to show just how great the economy is.

My point, which some people got, was that the data don't really matter. People know the economy is not doing well because the economy affects them personally.

So if Obama's narrative tomorrow is going to be to try to convince everyone how great the economy is, that plays right in to Romney's hands.

Don't the stats pretty much show how it does effect people? I'm not saying that people are or should be jumping up and down and celebrating economic victory... but clearly the data shows that people are being effected in a positive way.
 
As if she's even SEEN $3MM.

she probably thinks because a little bit of her income is in the 28% marginal bracket she is paying at a rate higher than Romney. She isn't. Most of us making between 1-5 million a year are paying effective rates around 24%-the highest of any income cohort. those making over 5 million tend to be mainly investment income (most highly compensated executives have large amounts of capital gains or stock incentives as compensation in addition to higher taxed salaries)

The Very Rich Are Different--They Pay A Lower Tax Rate - Forbes

Taxpayers earning $1 million to $5 million, who get more of their income from salary and other “ordinary” income taxed at a top 35% rate, paid an effective tax rate of 24%.
 
you pay over 3 million in taxes.

LOL I am dying of laughter

and if you are talking about an effective rate NO YOU DO NOT PAY AN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE OF 28% so stop lying

Hardly ...twice the percentage of taxes ...yet most likely a higher percentage if we include the offshore account income!

I knew when I wrote this succinct factual OP it would attract attacks on me! ; )
 
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