Romney is a con artist

Ever get the idea that you've been played for a fool, that you are nothing but a mark for con artists like Mitt Romney? Well, that's why I need to tell you that I, not being one of the many delirious wretched-types of this world, have come to know Romney's spinmeisters too well not to feel the profoundest disgust for their indecent prevarications. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, of all of Romney's exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "Our only chance of saving the planet is to accept unending regulations and straightjacket 'reforms' from Romney's pickthanks." I don't know where he came up with this, but his statement is dead wrong. If you think that undiscoverable, unmeasurable, magical forces from another plane of existence have given him superhuman wisdom then you're suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You're focusing too much on what Romney wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance such as that he can't imagine life without racism, so to speak.

There is a format Romney should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts. He insists that he has no choice but to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. His reasoning is that inattentive fault-finders make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. Yes, I realize that that argument makes no sense, but Romney is planning to exploit issues such as the global economic crisis and the increase in world terrorism in order to instigate planet-wide chaos. Planet-wide chaos is his gateway to global tyranny, which will in turn enable him to enable sniffish bohemians to punch above their weight.

Romney's unstinting support of recidivism clouds everything he does. It is no more complicated than that. I would be grateful if Romney would take a little time from his rigorous schedule to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping him. Of course, pigs will grow wings and fly before that ever happens. It saddens me that the first lies that he told us were relatively benign. Still, they have been progressing. And they will continue to progress until there is no more truth; Romney's lies will grow until they blot out the sun. I'd like to end this post with a message for Mitt Romney. I'd like to say with emphasis and distinctness—not as a threat, but as a warning—that I will do whatever it takes to focus on concrete facts, on hard news, on analyzing and interpreting what's happening in the world, and I won't let him stop me from achieving that goal.

bnsbread said:

Ever get the idea that you've been played for a fool, that you are nothing but a mark for con artists like Mitt Romney? Well, that's why I need to tell you that I, not being one of the many delirious wretched-types of this world, have come to know Romney's spinmeisters too well not to feel the profoundest disgust for their indecent prevarications. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, of all of Romney's exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "Our only chance of saving the planet is to accept unending regulations and straightjacket 'reforms' from Romney's pickthanks." I don't know where he came up with this, but his statement is dead wrong. If you think that undiscoverable, unmeasurable, magical forces from another plane of existence have given him superhuman wisdom then you're suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You're focusing too much on what Romney wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance such as that he can't imagine life without racism, so to speak.

There is a format Romney should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts. He insists that he has no choice but to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. His reasoning is that inattentive fault-finders make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. Yes, I realize that that argument makes no sense, but Romney is planning to exploit issues such as the global economic crisis and the increase in world terrorism in order to instigate planet-wide chaos. Planet-wide chaos is his gateway to global tyranny, which will in turn enable him to enable sniffish bohemians to punch above their weight.

Romney's unstinting support of recidivism clouds everything he does. It is no more complicated than that. I would be grateful if Romney would take a little time from his rigorous schedule to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping him. Of course, pigs will grow wings and fly before that ever happens. It saddens me that the first lies that he told us were relatively benign. Still, they have been progressing. And they will continue to progress until there is no more truth; Romney's lies will grow until they blot out the sun. I'd like to end this post with a message for Mitt Romney. I'd like to say with emphasis and distinctness—not as a threat, but as a warning—that I will do whatever it takes to focus on concrete facts, on hard news, on analyzing and interpreting what's happening in the world, and I won't let him stop me from achieving that goal.

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I wish you would focus onn concrete facts and hard news. Where is it here? Don't give us conclusions. Give us reasons for your conclusions.

What do you mean by unstinting support of recividism? What the heck is that?
Why would Romney build a stouthearted group of people to stop him?
Please list Romney's lies.
What the hell is a "pickthank"?
What proof do you offer of this: "His reasoning is that inattentive fault-finders make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers."

Until you can put a coherent post together, nobody is going to respond to you because nobody understands what you're doing beyond Romney-bashing.

MaggieD said:

I wish you would focus onn concrete facts and hard news. Where is it here? Don't give us conclusions. Give us reasons for your conclusions.

What do you mean by unstinting support of recividism? What the heck is that?
Why would Romney build a stouthearted group of people to stop him?
Please list Romney's lies.
What the hell is a "pickthank"?
What proof do you offer of this: "His reasoning is that inattentive fault-finders make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers."

Until you can put a coherent post together, nobody is going to respond to you because nobody understands what you're doing beyond Romney-bashing.

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Picthank - Pick´thank`
n. 1. One who strives to put another under obligation; an officious person; hence, a flatterer. Used also adjectively.
Smiling pickthanks, and base newsmongers

recidivism - tendency to relapse into a previous condition or mode of behavior; especially: relapse into criminal behavior

I was being a smart a$$ about Romney building a stouthearted group of people to stop him. I really have to sit here and tell you Romneys lies? Are you serious? Tune into the next debate. Its so easy to tell everytime he lies, Anytime his mouth is moving.

bnsbread said:

Picthank - Pick´thank`
n. 1. One who strives to put another under obligation; an officious person; hence, a flatterer. Used also adjectively.
Smiling pickthanks, and base newsmongers

recidivism - tendency to relapse into a previous condition or mode of behavior; especially: relapse into criminal behavior

I was being a smart a$$ about Romney building a stouthearted group of people to stop him. I really have to sit here and tell you Romneys lies? Are you serious? Tune into the next debate. Its so easy to tell everytime he lies, Anytime his mouth is moving.

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I believe you implicitly. Where do I sent the money?

AliHajiSheik said:

I believe you implicitly. Where do I sent the money?

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Just send it to the Obama campaign.

this is something i thought i should addresss( primarily becasue i got bored right after reading it and coudn't go on.

For starters, of all of Romney's exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "Our only chance of saving the planet is to accept unending regulations and straightjacket 'reforms' from Romney's pickthanks."

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yes... it does stand out ,doesn't it.

I don't know where he came up with this, but his statement is dead wrong.

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well, after a quick google search, i think i have found your answer.
I typed in the words you have cited as a Romney quote... and the first return on Google is.... this very thread.

so ,as to the question of where he came up with it.. there is a two part answer.
1st, Romney didn't come up with.
2nd, you did. ( although it's not an original saying)


why should I trust your word or opinion about anything?.. you haven't shown yourself to be very honest here.

One word: Sycophant.

MaggieD said:

I wish you would focus onn concrete facts and hard news. Where is it here? Don't give us conclusions. Give us reasons for your conclusions.

Please list Romney's lies.

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I've been listing Romney's and you never once rebutted any of the contradictions that I demonstrated.

Furthermore, it goes without saying that anyone having eyes and ears, have already either read, seen or heard about Romney's constant Shape Shifting on everything from Privatizing Social Security, to Privatizing Education, Abortion, How He'd Pay for $5 trillion Tax Cut Without Raising Taxes, Auto Bailout, Government's Role in Bank Bailouts, Support for Stronger Gun Control, etc.

I'm actually having a hard time finding a single campaign policy statement where Romney, has not either flipped and/or flopped multiple times over the course of this campaign. I mean, to sit here and pretend that the guy has not been all over the place on campaign policy statements, is rather amusing to say the least.

But, hey - people will wear blinders for a whole lot less than guy who can't keep his lies straight in a Presidential Campaign. So, I guess I should not be all that surprised that Mr. Shape Shifter himself, is garnering support from those who find that breathing sand on a beach, is better than actually coming up with some ideas to move the economy forward. Of course, there's Trickle Down Economic Theory, which the entire world is very familiar with by now - given its track record of dismal failure.

Geeepers....

When will the insanity end... :roll:

The Real Record of Obama as President.

Whoever wins it's another four years of whining and it's not that the candidates are below par. The economy is beyond economical repair for a decade at least.

bnsbread said:

Picthank - Pick´thank`
n. 1. One who strives to put another under obligation; an officious person; hence, a flatterer. Used also adjectively.
Smiling pickthanks, and base newsmongers.

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Nice.

bnsbread said:

I was being a smart a$$ about Romney building a stouthearted group of people to stop him. I really have to sit here and tell you Romneys lies? Are you serious? Tune into the next debate. Its so easy to tell everytime he lies, Anytime his mouth is moving.

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Being smart around here pays no dividend, I can promise you that much.

And, yes. You will have to constantly repeat Romney's Lies, because many of these guys have simply turned off their brains, closed their eyes and shut their ears to the man's policy contortions on the campaign trail. They know full well he's run a campaign strategically predicated on what I call Regional and Seasonal Lies with Campaign Director Clean-Up running in the background.

Romney's campaign is sort of like having an 64bit Active Anti-Malware solution running on your hdd. Just set the configuration for "National Director Campaign Clean-Up" every 24 hours, then go out and say whatever the heck you want, because by 0600 hrs the very next morning, every contradiction you made the night before, will be Auto-Cleaned by the Active Agent in charge.

This entire election cycle has been the most unreal thing I have ever witnessed in my entire life as a politically engaged Citizen. This guy just makes it up as he goes along, and his supporters actually require YOU to show them proof.

If it were not so incredibly sad, it would be hilarious.

bnsbread said:

Just send it to the Obama campaign.

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The guy that has continually lied about Fast and Furious, knowing about the Libyan fiasco, unemployment numbers, annual deficits, and the cost of his one crowning achievement...a healthcare plan that nobody has read, no one knows how much it will cost, and wont even kick in till 2014? What a con man!

Or...do you really believe there is a difference in the two? Cuz...THAT would be funny.

RDS said:

The economy is beyond economical repair for a decade at least.

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You could not be more correct.

This is the "back story" not being told by EITHER candidate. We are bankrupt and at current spending levels, we have no economic drivers in place to provide sufficient revenues to national treasury, that will enable us to pay our external debts. The only mathematical solution we have (at the current spending levels) is National Default, and no one in any White House, or on the Hill, is going to admit that fact - for fear of serious national instability.

China, learned a very big lesson during the global liquidity crisis about allowing so much of its own capital to be tied up in U.S. National debt. China, has also learned that its own economy can withstand a severe global credit crunch and liquidity drain and STILL come out smelling like roses in terms of its real GDP. So, my belief is that China, makes a huge strategic shift towards growing and developing more of its Provinces and Prefectures, while considering them developmental regions of the country. I see China, doing a lot more investing at home over the next few decades as it becomes (some say is already) the world's manufacturing powerhouse second to none.

If China, makes the strategic jump to developing its external territories into what I call "Manufacturing Cities," as I envision they will - the United States is going to find itself behind the eight-ball in more ways than just one.

a) We will no longer be able to rely upon China buying our debt to anywhere near the level that fueled our previous (most recent) economic boom cycles.
b) We will not have had the time necessary to build-up our own strategic products manufacturing baselines.
c) We will have to compete with China, for energy related manufacturing products of the future that will fuel the next big global economic boom.
d) We will lose competitiveness amongst other developed nations who join strategic alliances with China, given its resource advantage in metals and raw materials.

China, will simply be able to reduce its price for manufacturing costs AND boast of new high-tech, innovative and efficient processes that we simply cannot keep pace with.

Why?

All because we spent so much money on military spending over the decades, allowed our entitlement programs to run out of control and have never produced an economy where national health care costs were anywhere near reasonable for the national income that we generated. So, we kept borrowing money from China, Germany and Japan, increasing our twin deficits here at home and never had much at all since the 1970's to export in terms of core strategic (in-demand) products.

We need a new economic model. There's just no way around that fact. The world has changed and while we do very well with software and services, we lag tremendously in strategic products exports - that's the "stuff" that every household and ever business/industry needs to function. Somehow, some really "smart" people thought that we were going to be able to make it as a $14 trillion "services based economy." What a joke that was.

VanceMack said:

The guy that has continually lied about Fast and Furious,

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You do lump a lot of things together that don't belong in the same sentence. Let's see if we can bring some balance to your Greatest Hits compilation:

Gun-Walking is not a "field program" that was initiated under Obama. The Bush Administration had Gun-Walking programs with strings attached, long before Obama, came to office. So, don't forget that. Fast & Furious, was a field level OP that the Justice Department did not even know about, when it was first instantiated. Things got out of control, as these Wild-Wild-West type border OPs often do and people got hurt and even killed. That in no way excuses it. However, the fact of the matter is that Fast & Furious came less than nine (9) months AFTER this man was elected President, AND right smack in the middle of two (2) real wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the greatest economic nose dive since 1929/32.

I would cut the man some slack. He had a lot of stuff going on that was directly under his control, and this program (Fast & Furious) was not something that needed a Presidential signature. This was not like the President, sitting in the War Room, and watching somebody get shot across the Mexican boarder. Keeping things in their proper perspective would help.

VanceMack said:

knowing about the Libyan fiasco,

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Which "Libyan fiasco?" The one where the President lead a limited campaign that lead to the ouster of Muammar The Mafia? Because, I don't see anyone offering the President any credit for leading on that take down. Or, are you referring to the stagged/planned attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya, where intelligence at the time of the attacks was indicative of what was going on at the time in the same location?

I think former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, said it best today on MSNBC: "Nobody knows anything for certain, until the investigation is complete. We need to wait until the investigation is over, before making judgments." Cohen, knows better than most how these things work. A U.S. Embassy overseas in a country that has elements that are hostile to the United States, is nothing new. Having U.S. interests come under fire, or getting attacked in a country where there are elements that are hostile to the United States, is also nothing new.

Clearly, the Arab Spring, was in place long before this attack was instantiated and without any attacks on U.S. Embassies of this kind. So, at what point does the President, pull people from the Embassy, under those set of known facts? 20/20 is always hindsight and those who always use 20/20 vision never really see anything at all - because they are always looking into the past.

I'm with Cohen, on this. If the investigative report comes back that the President knew anything BEFORE that attacks that would have allowed him to prevent the attacks, then I'll be the first on this forum to call him on that. But, if the President, didn't know what was expressly happening on the ground as it relates to an imminent attack - not the general conditions on the ground, everybody saw that on the six O'clock news each night, then that's a completely different story entirely.

Wait for the investigation - it is the only rational thing to do. Certainly, jumping to conclusions (which is what Romney did) won't solve anything and will only inflame and misinform the American public.

VanceMack said:

..unemployment numbers,

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What a bout the Unemployment numbers? What evidence do you have that tells you the Obama Administration had any access to the people who establish these numbers?

You should read the book: The Secrets of Economic Indicators, by Bernard Baumohl, Chief Global Economist at The Economic Outlook Group. That book will help to educate you on which economic data is most vital to the United States Economy and it will also help to educate you on just how fiercely protective those people are who produce the various economic reports that are delivered to the financial markets and the public on a weekly, monthly, quarterly and annual basis. The production of the data is on lock-down and the releasing of that data followed a very tight and rigid formula that has been in existence for years. Nobody rigged that report from the outside. Furthermore, the integrity of our financial markets depends on the integrity of the economic data being reported by these entities.

But, while we are on conspiracy theories let me ask you this question: Did you ever see a Boeing 757-223 on the ground in Shanksville, on September 11th, 2001?

If you did, can you send me some photos any airframe components, pieces and parts that MATCH a Boeing 757-223, and that were recovered from Shanksville, PA?

VanceMack said:

annual deficits,

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On a dollar-for-dollar inflation adjusted basis, no Presidents since Reagan and Bush 41, have blown a hole bigger in our deficit ceiling. Both, spent nearly 4.5% of GDP when they were in office. Had Obama, NOT had to spend money on Stimulus, his spending would have been lower than Bush 43, through 2012. Source: OMB.

VanceMack said:

...and the cost of his one crowning achievement...a healthcare plan that nobody has read, no one knows how much it will cost, and wont even kick in till 2014? What a con man!

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See my reply to MaggieD, on why the Republican Chant that Obamacare is bad for the country is a bald face lie that they won't admit, because its longer range goal is to attack the National Healthcare Expenditures, which are far too high a component of National GDP and National Income.

It is post Number #20: http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-us-presidential-election/138949-president-obamas-real-record-facts-2.html#post1061006533

People don't seem to understand. We will NEVER have a sustainable economic engine with our national healthcare costs exceeding our national income.

VanceMack said:

Or...do you really believe there is a difference in the two? Cuz...THAT would be funny.

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Yes. There is a huge difference, but you are going to actually have to do the homework, because you are so blinded by partisan talking points - that you can't even see that all of your above points are easily neutralized with either some common sense, or just a small amount of research.

I feel compelled to follow up to my earlier remarks with the following: Mitt Romney's ideas are about as useful to society as a hundred deutsche marks were in 1923 Germany. For the sake of review, the one thing that's central to all of Romney's bitter campaigns is a desire to reduce social and cultural awareness to a dictated set of guidelines to follow. I call this the New McCarthyism. The old McCarthyism was concerned only with fomenting contentious forms of political tyranny. Although that was bad enough, just as night follows day, Romney will make us dependent on nocent nobodies for political representation, economic support, social position, and psychological approval any day now. I would like to close by saying that as Mitt Romney feels less and less need to conceal his monographs, Romney makes increasingly open moves towards eccentric poststructuralism.

PW4000 said:

You do lump a lot of things together that don't belong in the same sentence. Let's see if we can bring some balance to your Greatest Hits compilation:

Gun-Walking is not a "field program" that was initiated under Obama. The Bush Administration had Gun-Walking programs with strings attached, long before Obama, came to office. So, don't forget that. Fast & Furious, was a field level OP that the Justice Department did not even know about, when it was first instantiated. Things got out of control, as these Wild-Wild-West type border OPs often do and people got hurt and even killed. That in no way excuses it. However, the fact of the matter is that Fast & Furious came less than nine (9) months AFTER this man was elected President, AND right smack in the middle of two (2) real wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the greatest economic nose dive since 1929/32.

I would cut the man some slack. He had a lot of stuff going on that was directly under his control, and this program (Fast & Furious) was not something that needed a Presidential signature. This was not like the President, sitting in the War Room, and watching somebody get shot across the Mexican boarder. Keeping things in their proper perspective would help.




Which "Libyan fiasco?" The one where the President lead a limited campaign that lead to the ouster of Muammar The Mafia? Because, I don't see anyone offering the President any credit for leading on that take down. Or, are you referring to the stagged/planned attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya, where intelligence at the time of the attacks was indicative of what was going on at the time in the same location?

I think former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, said it best today on MSNBC: "Nobody knows anything for certain, until the investigation is complete. We need to wait until the investigation is over, before making judgments." Cohen, knows better than most how these things work. A U.S. Embassy overseas in a country that has elements that are hostile to the United States, is nothing new. Having U.S. interests come under fire, or getting attacked in a country where there are elements that are hostile to the United States, is also nothing new.

Clearly, the Arab Spring, was in place long before this attack was instantiated and without any attacks on U.S. Embassies of this kind. So, at what point does the President, pull people from the Embassy, under those set of known facts? 20/20 is always hindsight and those who always use 20/20 vision never really see anything at all - because they are always looking into the past.

I'm with Cohen, on this. If the investigative report comes back that the President knew anything BEFORE that attacks that would have allowed him to prevent the attacks, then I'll be the first on this forum to call him on that. But, if the President, didn't know what was expressly happening on the ground as it relates to an imminent attack - not the general conditions on the ground, everybody saw that on the six O'clock news each night, then that's a completely different story entirely.

Wait for the investigation - it is the only rational thing to do. Certainly, jumping to conclusions (which is what Romney did) won't solve anything and will only inflame and misinform the American public.






What a bout the Unemployment numbers? What evidence do you have that tells you the Obama Administration had any access to the people who establish these numbers?

You should read the book: The Secrets of Economic Indicators, by Bernard Baumohl, Chief Global Economist at The Economic Outlook Group. That book will help to educate you on which economic data is most vital to the United States Economy and it will also help to educate you on just how fiercely protective those people are who produce the various economic reports that are delivered to the financial markets and the public on a weekly, monthly, quarterly and annual basis. The production of the data is on lock-down and the releasing of that data followed a very tight and rigid formula that has been in existence for years. Nobody rigged that report from the outside. Furthermore, the integrity of our financial markets depends on the integrity of the economic data being reported by these entities.

But, while we are on conspiracy theories let me ask you this question: Did you ever see a Boeing 757-223 on the ground in Shanksville, on September 11th, 2001?

If you did, can you send me some photos any airframe components, pieces and parts that MATCH a Boeing 757-223, and that were recovered from Shanksville, PA?





On a dollar-for-dollar inflation adjusted basis, no Presidents since Reagan and Bush 41, have blown a hole bigger in our deficit ceiling. Both, spent nearly 4.5% of GDP when they were in office. Had Obama, NOT had to spend money on Stimulus, his spending would have been lower than Bush 43, through 2012. Source: OMB.




See my reply to MaggieD, on why the Republican Chant that Obamacare is bad for the country is a bald face lie that they won't admit, because its longer range goal is to attack the National Healthcare Expenditures, which are far too high a component of National GDP and National Income.

It is post Number #20: http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-us-presidential-election/138949-president-obamas-real-record-facts-2.html#post1061006533

People don't seem to understand. We will NEVER have a sustainable economic engine with our national healthcare costs exceeding our national income.




Yes. There is a huge difference, but you are going to actually have to do the homework, because you are so blinded by partisan talking points - that you can't even see that all of your above points are easily neutralized with either some common sense, or just a small amount of research.

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Blinded by partisan talking points? YOU really just said that? :lamo

bnsbread said:

Ever get the idea that you've been played for a fool, that you are nothing but a mark for con artists like Mitt Romney? Well, that's why I need to tell you that I, not being one of the many delirious wretched-types of this world, have come to know Romney's spinmeisters too well not to feel the profoundest disgust for their indecent prevarications. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, of all of Romney's exaggerations and incorrect comparisons, one in particular stands out: "Our only chance of saving the planet is to accept unending regulations and straightjacket 'reforms' from Romney's pickthanks." I don't know where he came up with this, but his statement is dead wrong. If you think that undiscoverable, unmeasurable, magical forces from another plane of existence have given him superhuman wisdom then you're suffering from very serious nearsightedness. You're focusing too much on what Romney wants you to see and failing to observe many other things of much greater importance such as that he can't imagine life without racism, so to speak.

There is a format Romney should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts. He insists that he has no choice but to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels. His reasoning is that inattentive fault-finders make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. Yes, I realize that that argument makes no sense, but Romney is planning to exploit issues such as the global economic crisis and the increase in world terrorism in order to instigate planet-wide chaos. Planet-wide chaos is his gateway to global tyranny, which will in turn enable him to enable sniffish bohemians to punch above their weight.

Romney's unstinting support of recidivism clouds everything he does. It is no more complicated than that. I would be grateful if Romney would take a little time from his rigorous schedule to build a coalition of stouthearted people devoted to stopping him. Of course, pigs will grow wings and fly before that ever happens. It saddens me that the first lies that he told us were relatively benign. Still, they have been progressing. And they will continue to progress until there is no more truth; Romney's lies will grow until they blot out the sun. I'd like to end this post with a message for Mitt Romney. I'd like to say with emphasis and distinctness—not as a threat, but as a warning—that I will do whatever it takes to focus on concrete facts, on hard news, on analyzing and interpreting what's happening in the world, and I won't let him stop me from achieving that goal.

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Ya know, dude...in that other thread you started, I gave you a chance to back up your words...invited you to do so, actually. Haven't seen anything so far.

With all that in mind, give me one reason I should consider this thread?