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good economic news...

AdamT said:
You'd be surprised.
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I doubt it-but I couldn't really care less what the guy has to say. It has no relevance to me. It proves nothing. its an opinion alone and I reject it as worthless. And its not an expert opinion, its a values based opinion that I once again reject.
 
Bronson said:
You once again beclown yourself
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You describe yourself.

The facts are the facts. Unemployment has fallen faster this year than it has in any election year since Reagan. In fact, it's only fallen as fast twice since Kennedy.
 
waas said:
Look at actual policies. Debates are full of lies, longstanding policies aren't.
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I agree that Obama and Biden's debate comments are full of lies. Unfortunately, they not only have "policies" they have a record. And it is a total failure.
 
AdamT said:
I'll tell you what, Brother, if the wealthy paid a flat 28% tax that would be fine by me. Reagan wanted the wealthy to pay their fair share (his words).
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Now, here, I thought Reagan was the worst President of the 20th Century.
 
TurtleDude said:
another complete miss on your part. The issue isn't whether they are well above other people, the issue is your claim that the Obama tax hikes won't affect their lifestyles which is a specious argument. many of the parasiters, taxers and other fans of taxing the wealthy project their own situation on those more industrious or prosperous than they are and think
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Wrong.
waas said:
The premise of progressive taxation is that one puts an increased amount of funds in to the government without any significant decrease in the standard of living.
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We obviously view significant differently.

To lower your standard of living slightly to better the lives of those hurt by the recession is not some abomination. You can't just classify people as 'makers and takers', TD - these are actual people, not "parasites".

"well I have a net income of 50K a year and have expenses of 48K a year and if I had 200K in income I could afford even 50% taxes because that means I would have 100K to pay my 48K in expenses. That is common thinking from the lefties but its idiotic because many people making 200K a year often have expenses (including high FIT, something someone making 50K a year does not have) near 190K or so a year. many people targeted for Obama tax hikes aren't socking away thousands and thousands of dollars
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Straw man rhetoric. Is that all you've got left?
 
Taylor said:
Shady stuff? What did Reagan do that was worse than covering up a major terrorist attack, lying to the families of the slain about the circumstances of their deaths, at the same time using their remains in a photo-op designed to show how much you "care"... about your reelection perhaps, but for the security of the guys in Libya? Not so much.
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I guess time has softened the insanity of what Iran/Contra was.
 
Harshaw said:
Now, here, I thought Reagan was the worst President of the 20th Century.
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That would probably be an exaggeration, but you are entitled to your opinion.
 
waas said:
Wrong. We obviously view significant differently.

To lower your standard of living slightly to better the lives of those hurt by the recession is not some abomination. You can't just classify people as 'makers and takers', TD - these are actual people, not "parasites".


Straw man rhetoric. Is that all you've got left?
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for you to say wrong it means you are well versed in how the "wealthy" live. I doubt that highly
 
AdamT said:
That would probably be an exaggeration, but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Cute. Turns out I misquoted you, though; he was merely a "worthless sack of crap" and "the most overrated president in history." According to you.

Except when it's convenient to cite him, I guess. Then not so "worthless."
 
Harshaw said:
Cute. Turns out I misquoted you, though; he was merely a "worthless sack of crap" and "the most overrated president in history." According to you.

Except when it's convenient to cite him, I guess. Then not so "worthless."
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Nixon did some good things, too. Doesn't mean that, as a package, he wasn't a sack of crap.
 
TurtleDude said:
for you to say wrong it means you are well versed in how the "wealthy" live. I doubt that highly
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Turtle, you have hundreds of millions right? Tell us, how do you live besides making 52k posts on a website? There musn't be any time left after that, lol.
 
AdamT said:
Nixon did some good things, too. Doesn't mean that, as a package, he wasn't a sack of crap.
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:roll: Yeah, everyone buys your sincerity when invoking Reagan, Adam. No, really.
 
Verax said:
Turtle, you have hundreds of millions right? Tell us, how do you live besides making 52k posts on a website? There musn't be any time left after that, lol.
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I don't post much at all during the business hours. I don't have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

My post count here is not nearly as high as many others. what a silly post you made
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't post much at all during the business hours. I don't have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

My post count here is not nearly as high as many others. what a silly post you made
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I'm sorry sir, I won't bother you again unless it is urgent. My deepest condolences.
 
Verax said:
I'm sorry sir, I won't bother you again unless it is urgent. My deepest condolences.
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Adam T for example averages 34 posts a day, me 20..
 
TurtleDude said:
for you to say wrong it means you are well versed in how the "wealthy" live. I doubt that highly
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Take a gander at the following posts - all made by you, all publicly displayed on your profile.

TurtleDude said:
I am a winner-that's why I am voting for Romney. I was rich under Carter, Richer under Reagan, Richer under Bush II and yes even richer under Clinton. I expect that trend will continue until you and your fellow travelers can impose taxes over 100%. but that won't happen. what will happen is that the losers who think Obama will make them winners are only right when we are dealing with the rich and the elite who are rich and elite when dems are in power. However, the majority of the Obama minions won't be better off if Obama wins. They might feel better because their hurt over being losers will be salved by Obama's promise to screw the rich. However, in the long run, they only will become more bitter when that hope and change BS is proven to be a joke
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TurtleDude said:
Its a populist rage against the successful which essentially is making excuses for one's own failure.
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TurtleDude said:
hatred of the wealthy is silly. Its the disease of populism that poisons this country. What Job did Romney get due to "Nepotism" (as if a guy who was top of his class at his university and Harvard Business School isn't able to write his own ticket)
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TurtleDude said:
ITs not obama's lies that are the best reason to vote that turd out of office. Its the stuff I believe him on-such as his hatred of those who are prosperous despite the government.
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TurtleDude said:
those who are dependent on the government don't want the government to cut back handouts and those not paying income taxes really don't care if others have to pay more and they do care if tax cuts means they get less handouts
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TurtleDude said:
wow that is a useful comment. care to back it up with something other than you hate the fact that he doesn't want to soak the rich
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TurtleDude said:
Romney is a success story for the right reasons. Obama is an affirmative action poster child whose accession is based on all that is wrong in america
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TurtleDude said:
Obama is trying to expand the number of those who are net tax consumers at the expense of those who are net tax payers
Obama caters to class envy, dependency and parasitic behavior
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TurtleDude said:
so tell us what good the big Obama tax bill will do other than making the unsuccessful and the unprosperous feel better
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TurtleDude said:
given that taxing the rich more will not get rid of the deficit or even make a significant dent into it and given the dem party has to keep handing out money to buy votes, tell us what good the Obama scheme of hiking taxes only on the rich does other than make the envious losers feel better?
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So yeah, there's no question about it anymore. You do buy in to the "makers and takers" rhetoric.
 
wow that is close to being obsessive but it doesn't prove you know anything about the financial burdens of the rich (ie the people Obama wants to punish with higher taxes)
 
TurtleDude said:
wow that is close to being obsessive but it doesn't prove you know anything about the financial burdens of the rich (ie the people Obama wants to punish with higher taxes)
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I know the burdens of the rich! How they suffer!! I'm shedding a tear for them now.
 
TurtleDude said:
wow that is close to being obsessive but it doesn't prove you know anything about the financial burdens of the rich (ie the people Obama wants to punish with higher taxes)
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Financial burdens? What part of "rich" do you not understand?

I'm sure any middle class family would love to bear your "burdens".
 
TurtleDude said:
wow that is close to being obsessive but it doesn't prove you know anything about the financial burdens of the rich (ie the people Obama wants to punish with higher taxes)
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How can it be a burden if you are rich?

It's a blessing to be rich. It's not a blessing to be poor.

You are getting burden mixed with avarice.
 
"There are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics." ~Mark Twain
 
AdamT said:
Here's a fun fact for you: unemployment hasn't dropped this quickly in an election year since 1984 ... leading up to Ronnie Raygun's landslide reelection.
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Here's a fun fact for you, the unemployment rate dropped because the unemployment numbers for one state were left completely out of the picture. One of the most populous states at that. No solid confirmation on which state, but....Texas, California, New York, Illinois, Florida= most populous. Jack Welch was right. It MAY have been unintentional but you have to doubt that.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Let's keep this impersonal and topical, please.
 
And once again, the economists are "surprised" by economic good news....

Retail sales in the U.S. rose more than projected in September, reflecting broad-based gains that indicate household spending helped bolster economic growth last quarter.

The 1.1 percent advance followed a revised 1.2 percent increase in August that was the biggest since October 2010 and larger than previously reported, Commerce Department figures showed today in Washington. The median forecast of 77 economists surveyed by Bloomberg called for a 0.8 percent rise.

A drop in joblessness and firming home prices are leading to gains in confidence that may help chains such as Target Corp. (TGT) and TJX Cos. (TJX) keep attracting customers. At the same time, rising energy costs and concern about looming tax changes at the end of the year may prevent consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, from strengthening much more.

There is “some resilience on the part of the consumer,” said Michael Feroli, chief U.S. economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York, who projected a 1 percent increase in sales. “We are going to continue to see slow, but steady, growth.”

Bloomberg
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Retail Sales in U.S. Climbed More Than Forecast in September - Bloomberg
 
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