What A Lie Is

Rokkitsci said:

SO - you are saying what? In order for it to be a lie, he had to have KNOWN there were no WMDs in Iraq. Is that what you are asserting? And if so, what are you basing that assertion on?

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He intentionally misrepresented the intelligence, and set up the system to stovepipe unreliable intelligence. Remember the bogus "mobile labs"? No? Then ask Colin Powell about them. Remember the bogus Nigerian yellow cake claim? Remember that most of Bush's WMD claims were based upon the made-up reports of "curveball", who in fact turned out to be a con artist -- a former taxi driver in Iraq was just spinning BS to get his German green card? The guy was as credible as a three dollar bill, but Bush used him to make his faked up case because he was going to invade Iraq come hell or high water. Curveball (informant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

j-mac said:

First off, Romney didn't bring up "death panels" never uttered the words. Second,

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Read carefully j. I said he didn't use the words death panels. He still put forth a falsehood. I've linked the fact check.

Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.

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Romney repeatedly claimed that a new government board was “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. It could make some binding recommendations about such things as what drugs or medical devices would be paid for by Medicare, but it has no legal power to dictate treatment or ration care.

The board is a 15-member panel that’s tasked with finding ways to slow the growth of Medicare spending. So, its work concerns Medicare, not everyone seeking health care. And, according to the law, the board can’t touch treatments or otherwise “ration” care, or restrict benefits.

What’s officially called the Independent Payment Advisory Board, made up of appointed health care experts, medical professionals, and consumer representatives, would make binding recommendations to reduce the growth of spending. Congress could override them with a three-fifths majority in each house.

An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation determined that the IPAB was limited to finding savings from “Medicare Advantage, the Part D prescription drug program, skilled nursing facility, home health, dialysis, ambulance and ambulatory surgical center services, and durable medical equipment.”

FactCheck.org : Dubious Denver Debate Declarations

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Defenders counter that the law bars it from rationing care, restricting benefits or changing eligibility criteria. And, in response to complaints from the health care industry, Sen. John Rockefeller, D-W.Va., who was one of IPAB's architects, said that the board was specifically designed to reduce the influence of "special interests" on Medicare payment policy. Those interests, he and others say, have kept Congress from making the tough decisions needed to hold down spending and reduce the deficit.


Just because a source lets you know what misinformation is being pushed doesn't mean they are saying the misinformation is correct or factually accurate.

True story:

My elderly aunt suffers from osteoporosis and I recently took her to the hospital outpatient facility for a periodic injection to treat that. After waiting more than an hour, we were advised that the medication she was getting was adversely affecting her liver and they would have to change medications. We wait another hour before we can visit with a doctor. He advises that there is an excellent medication he can prescribe, but Medicare would not pay for it unless she had had her gallbladder out. I asked what does the gallbladder have to do with osteoporosis and he said nothing. But they were bound by the Medicare rules. She could have a different medication that was far more expensive than the other and less effective but Medicare would pay for it.

And that folks is what we get with government controlled medicine. And there will be a panel of folks deciding what medications you can and cannot have under Obamacare too regardless of what your doctor knows is the best course of treatment for you.

And when the current Administration tells you that won't be the case, that is a lie. "Death panels" might be hyperbole, but it isn't a lie . If government controls what medicine you can have, it does hold the power of life and death for us all.