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Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars

H. Lee White said:
Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars | Washington Free Beacon

Clearly, he voted for both wars.

The obvious questions:
-Did he lie about not voting for the wars, or did he 'misremember'
-Given that one illustrates dishonesty, and the other, incompetence, why do you support putting him back in office?
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Republicans: "He lied, the dirty bastard!!!!"

Democrats: "It was misinterpreted. He mis-spoke. He was mistaken." Pick your excuse.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.
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He also said he didn't vote for Medicare Part D, which is true initially, but then he voted for the expansion of the program.
 
MaggieD said:
Republicans: "He lied, the dirty bastard!!!!"

Democrats: "It was misinterpreted. He mis-spoke. He was mistaken." Pick your excuse.
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My current fave is that the murder of Ambassador Stevens and the three others is somehow only an issue because of Romney and Ryan. :roll:

And I still say Hillary Clinton would have already fallen on her sword if she had any honor.
 
H. Lee White said:
Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars | Washington Free Beacon

Clearly, he voted for both wars.

The obvious questions:
-Did he lie about not voting for the wars, or did he 'misremember'
-Given that one illustrates dishonesty, and the other, incompetence, why do you support putting him back in office?
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Definately misrepresented what happened. After the Romney Obama debate I say go for it. Apparently style is more important than truth this election cycle.
 
If all the liars left, Washington DC would be a ghost town.
 
nota bene said:
My current fave is that the murder of Ambassador Stevens and the three others is somehow only an issue because of Romney and Ryan. :roll:
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Yes. There's no reason for anyone to care about that.

And I still say Hillary Clinton would have already fallen on her sword if she had any honor.
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Her lack of public reaction to the 'stained dress' makes it very clear that she puts partisan power ahead of all else.
 
iliveonramen said:
Definately misrepresented what happened. After the Romney Obama debate I say go for it. Apparently style is more important than truth this election cycle.
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Not sure what any of this is supposed to mean, or how it answers the questions.
 
iliveonramen said:
Definately misrepresented what happened. After the Romney Obama debate I say go for it. Apparently style is more important than truth this election cycle.
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If thats the case, he lost twice. I can't fathom as someone claiming Biden's "style" was a positive during this debate.
 
H. Lee White said:
Not sure what any of this is supposed to mean, or how it answers the questions.
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It means that truth has left the stage a long time ago. Romney completely reinvented history and his views in one night.

I don't see why Dems are suppose to play to one set of rules while pundits pat Romney on the back for obfuscating, flip flopping, and lying during the first debate.
 
Fishstyx said:
If thats the case, he lost twice. I can't fathom as someone claiming Biden's "style" was a positive during this debate.
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I'm sure the style appealed to those on the Left who were smarting after the previous debate.

That doesn't mean it appealed to anyone other than that.
 
iliveonramen said:
It means that truth has left the stage a long time ago. Romney completely reinvented history and his views in one night.
I don't see why Dems are suppose to play to one set of rules while pundits pat Romney on the back for obfuscating, flip flopping, and lying during the first debate.
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Translation: You do not care that Biden lied, and you have absolutely no intent to hold him accountable for it.
Rioger roger.
 
H. Lee White said:
Translation: You do not care that Biden lied, and you have absolutely no intent to hold him accountable for it.
Rioger roger.
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Exxxactly. Republicans know this...they've been preying on the uninformed voter for the last 4 or 5 election cycles. I'm glad the Dems are smarting up
 
Harshaw said:
I'm sure the style appealed to those on the Left who were smarting after the previous debate.

That doesn't mean it appealed to anyone other than that.
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Might have been the intent all along, especially with Democrat Party enthusiasm on the decline. Might have turned off some middle of the road voters who are on the fence though. Probably would have done better if he had toned down by half.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm sure the style appealed to those on the Left who were smarting after the previous debate.

That doesn't mean it appealed to anyone other than that.
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Winning the CBS poll of uncommitted voters by 20 points suggests that it didn't just appeal to the left.
 
H. Lee White said:
Do you have a defense for your chosen inaction, other than a petulant "they did it too!!"?
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It's not petulance. It's seeing the light. Say what you want in front of the big crowd and let your campaign manager "correct the record" to the much lower number of folks that actually follow the stuff day in and day out. I'm glad the Obama campaign is catching up with the rules set in this campaign.
 
AdamT said:
Winning the CBS poll of uncommitted voters by 20 points suggests that it didn't just appeal to the left.
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And it also found that those uncommitted voters decided on Romney 33%, Obama 32%.
 
iliveonramen said:
It's not petulance.
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Your reaction is no different than "But Mom! He did it too!"
Petulance.

It's seeing the light.
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Yes... that partian political power is more important to you than truth and honesty - that you have happily sold your soul to your political masters, all for nothing more than the remote hope of a small pat on the head.
 
H. Lee White said:
Your reaction is no different than "But Mom! He did it too!"
Petulance.
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You can view it anyway you want. I see it more as if the rules are changed. If the refs are letting the other guys get away with holding a more jersey than normal you don't make your guys play by a stricter set of rules. What's interesting is I can't find your posts holding Romney to any sort of standard! You make it sound as if "truth" is your partisan lean but no history of pointing out inacuracies of who you support. I'm at least being honest.

Yes... that partian political power is more important to you than truth and honesty - that you have happily sold your soul to your political masters, all for nothing more than the remote hope of a small pat on the head.
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Sure....sure....I bet you're not voting this year because of all the lying right? I mean it's truth that's important.
 
iliveonramen said:
You can view it anyway you want. I see it more as if the rules are changed.
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A view only possible after you adopt the idea that partisan political power is more important that honesty.

What's interesting is I can't find your posts holding Romney to any sort of standard!
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The issue is Biden's obvious lie, and thus, this is a red herring.

I'm at least being honest.
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You're being honest about accepting dishonesty, yes.

Sure....sure....I'm bet you're not voting this year because of all the lying right?
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The issue is Biden's obvious lie and those that continue to support him in spite of it -- and so, again, this is a red herring.
 
H. Lee White said:
A view only possible after you adopt the idea that partisan political power is more important that honesty.
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Sure, I'll admit I don't mind if my politician lies to uninformed voters to win against another lying politician.

The issue is Biden's obvious lie, and thus, this is a red herring.
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How is this a red herring? The whole conversation is politicians lying.....but "your guy" lying is irrelevant?

You're being honest about accepting dishonesty, yes
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Correct...and you're being dishonest in pretending that you hold honesty in high regard.

The issue is Biden's obvious lie and those that continue to support him in spite of it -- and so, again, this is a red herring.
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So Romney's obvious lies and the fact you continue to support him is out of bounds? Sorry....but pointing out hypocrisy isn't a red herring.
 
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