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Who won the Veep Debate tonight? [W:47]

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Chaddelamancha said:
At least I know where he stands, specifically. Whereas Ryan? I don't know where he stands, specifically, on anything. He's like vanilla pudding.
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You're kidding yourself if you think you know where he stands... Both Biden and Obama changed their positions on abortion and gay marriage, and with the difference of Biden on abortion a few years back, that was in this very election cycle... Those are major "change of heart" positions which came up in May... when Romney won the nomination, and when they were trying to gain their momentum with specific voting blocks in florida...

Vanilla pudding is exactly what you want in a Vice President... Something you don't even pay attention to, until theres a specific reason that you have to... You don't want fried zuccini poppers... because when you bite into them, they might be overcooked and burst and burn your mouth...
 
disneydude said:
You thought Biden looked like Romney in Debate 1? Hardly.....

I think Paul Ryan just did serious damage to his political aspirations in 2016
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Hardly... Romney in debate 1 looked presidential, like a leader...

Biden was arrogant, rude, dismissive... and not like a guy you'd trust to bring everyone together to get anything done...

You think that Ryan hurt his chances in 2016... that must be because he'd be the VP to Romney in a re-election campaign... Everyone said Ryan looked like he could be a president...
 
Chaddelamancha said:
So give me one SPECIFIC tax loop hole that they plan on getting rid of. Not "tax loophole for the rich", that's not specific. Their campaign is built on not being specific.
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Romney will not discuss his plans. He simply says that he plans to work with Congress in a bi-partisan way to look at all of the deductions and eliminate or change some, depending on income. Unlike you, he also doesn't call them "loopholes." He calls them "deductions."

I think that's pretty fair. At least he has the guts to discuss reforming the tax code -- something that's sorely needed. Obama had a chance to address tax reform when he had a majority in Congress, but our Congress Clowns didn't have the political will. After the election? One can only hope.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
So give me one SPECIFIC tax loop hole that they plan on getting rid of. Not "tax loophole for the rich", that's not specific. Their campaign is built on not being specific.
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Give us the specific non-defense cuts that Obama is going to need to compliment the $115B that he intends on getting from taxing the top 2% to close the current $1.2T deficit....
 
MaggieD said:
Romney will not discuss his plans. He simply says that he plans to work with Congress in a bi-partisan way to look at all of the deductions and eliminate or change some, depending on income. Unlike you, he also doesn't call them "loopholes." He calls them "deductions."

I think that's pretty fair. At least he has the guts to discuss reforming the tax code -- something that's sorely needed. Obama had a chance to address tax reform when he had a majority in Congress, but our Congress Clowns didn't have the political will. After the election? One can only hope.
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So you don't want specifics? You just want generics and that's how you vote? Sorry, I need substance in order to get my vote.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
So give me one SPECIFIC tax loop hole that they plan on getting rid of. Not "tax loophole for the rich", that's not specific. Their campaign is built on not being specific.
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90% of their platform is Obama sucks...we're better, but i can't tell you why or what we are going to do to fix the HORRIBLE mess.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Hardly... Romney in debate 1 looked presidential, like a leader...

Biden was arrogant, rude, dismissive... and not like a guy you'd trust to bring everyone together to get anything done...

You think that Ryan hurt his chances in 2016... that must be because he'd be the VP to Romney in a re-election campaign... Everyone said Ryan looked like he could be a president...
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LOL....by "Everyone" you must mean FoxNews. Ryan came off almost as poorly as Bobby Jindal did in his state of the union reply. Ryan had a deer in the headlights look throughout most of the debate. He won't be a front contender in 2016...and it won't be because of the reasons you state. Its because he couldn't even articulate his own plans.
 
MaggieD said:
Romney will not discuss his plans... I think that's pretty fair.
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LOL....Vote for me...I have a plan....but I'm not going to tell you anything about it. Seriously? Anyone who would vote for Romney and think they have a clue what they are voting for is a fool.


The BEST part of the debate tonight was when Ryan was pressed for specifics and couldn't offer a single one. Not a SINGLE one.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
So you don't want specifics? You just want generics and that's how you vote? Sorry, I need substance in order to get my vote.
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You know damned well that we can't handle the truth when it comes to reforming the tax code and eliminating deductions. Both candidates are trying very hard not to alienate any one group. If he zeroed in on his plans, he'd be alienating his buddies. He's not nuts, ya' know. And what he wants? What he plans? Is very unlikely to happen anyway. He wants a bi-partisan Congress to tackle the problem and will encourage them to do so. That makes sense in my book. Doesn't in yours? Well, then, that's just the way you roll.

What specifics has Obama given us except that he intends to raise taxes on the rich? Is he even considering reforming the tax code? That answer, of course, is a big fat "no." He doesn't have the guts to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

disneydude said:
LOL....Vote for me...I have a plan....but I'm not going to tell you anything about it. Seriously? Anyone who would vote for Romney and think they have a clue what they are voting for is a fool.
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Same to you: What specifics has Obama given us except that he intends to raise taxes on the rich? Is he even considering reforming the tax code? That answer, of course, is a big fat "no." He doesn't have the guts to touch it with a ten-foot pole.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Give us the specific non-defense cuts that Obama is going to need to compliment the $115B that he intends on getting from taxing the top 2% to close the current $1.2T deficit....
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Deflect, deflect and deflect. Still not a specific tax loop hole.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....Vote for me...I have a plan....but I'm not going to tell you anything about it. Seriously? Anyone who would vote for Romney and think they have a clue what they are voting for is a fool.
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Sortve like voting for Obama in 2008... Only WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE SO FOR 30 YEARS!!!
 
MaggieD said:
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Same to you: What specifics has Obama given us except that he intends to raise taxes on the rich? Is he even considering reforming the tax code? That answer, of course, is a big fat "no." He doesn't have the guts to touch it with a ten-foot pole.
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Wow Maggie...have you REALLY not been paying any attention. Obama has laid out a very specific plan, no one even questions that. Romney on the otherhand hasn't offered a single specific. He is campaigning to the "faith" crowd that isn't interested in fact or specifics.
 
I'm watching the first half right now.

Ryan beat Biden in the talk about Iran and nuclear weapons in a big bad way. Even the moderator was questioning Biden's attitude about the whole thing.

Then came the stimulus money... and Biden definitely took that one. That was hard to watch, oof.

I'd say it's pretty even on points so far in the first half, but in style and attitude, Biden is looking like a total ass. I watched the second half of the debate first, and he's like a different person. In the second half he came off as a grumbling, grumpy old man who was speaking in a low voice and fumbling with his words. Now in the first half, he's laughing and interrupting and just being a cocky dick. I wonder what changed.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Sortve like voting for Obama in 2008... Only WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE SO FOR 30 YEARS!!!
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You need to go back and look at the 2008 campaign if you actually believe that. Obama offered a great deal of specifics.
 
disneydude said:
Wow Maggie...have you REALLY not been paying any attention. Obama has laid out a very specific plan, no one even questions that. Romney on the otherhand hasn't offered a single specific. He is campaigning to the "faith" crowd that isn't interested in fact or specifics.
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Please link me to Obama's plan to reform the tax code.
 
shiang said:
Biden did a little better. More importantly is it disgusts me how much Ryan lied.
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I just started to watch it, within the first few minutes Biden did NOTHING but lie through his teeth. 100%. Boy, let that hack flag fly.
 
shiang said:
Cuts to medicare

Being able to compensate for the tax cuts with reduction of loop holes

Increase in deficit spending. Went down every year since 2009, even more if you adjust for inflation.

Increase in taxes on the middle class.


So many other key things I don't remember if you could link me a replay I'll find them.
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I remember another lie. Raising high income taxes to upper 40%. Thats not true the tax hike is a 5% tax hike from 35% to 40% nominal starting at 200k and gradually increased to 5% hike at close to 400k. This is also nominal the effective tax after deductions is around 20% right now and will be raised by less than 5% effective.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Deflect, deflect and deflect. Still not a specific tax loop hole.
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In otherwords... you don't have a plan... but want the other side to have one? Yeah... that's called being a hypocrite...

I can tell you this... It doesnt matter which specific tax loop holes that get closed... The entire premise of his tax plan is not the tax loop holes will cover it... ITS GROWTH IN THE ECONOMY THAT WILL!!! You liberals are foreign to this concept, growth... Romney is going to increase growth... and with more people paying taxes and more businesses getting taxed on their profits it will increase revenue... the tax loophole closings are just meant to help keep progressivity to the tax code and make it so the upper brackets pay a higher effective tax rate... which more closely aligns to what tax code is...

So again... what specific large scale cuts is Obama going to find in the $1.2T deficit? Oh that's right... he wants to spend more... for jobs bills to create more temporary government jobs that dont pan out in the long run...

You don't have a plan to balance the deficit...
 
disneydude said:
You need to go back and look at the 2008 campaign if you actually believe that. Obama offered a great deal of specifics.
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Yes, specific down to three whole words: "Hope and Change". How could anyone want more detail than that? :roll:
 
disneydude said:
You need to go back and look at the 2008 campaign if you actually believe that. Obama offered a great deal of specifics.
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yeah... there was Hope... and um... Change...

Or wait, you mean the whole Army of teachers, getting off our dependence on foreign oil? All that spiel...

 
MaggieD said:
Please link me to Obama's plan to reform the tax code.
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I can link you to Obama's plan to let the top Bush tax cuts expire, which would raise revenue and thus lower deficits. And I can link you to Romney's plan which, by his own admission, would not raise more revenue or reduce deficits.
 
Josie said:
If you don't know where Paul Ryan stands then you're either not listening or pretending to not listen so that you can claim that you don't know where he stands on anything. Either way, it's dishonest and unintelligent. Both sides have clearly stated where they stand on many issues. Don't pretend you haven't heard it just to get a little snarky zinger in.
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Its not where paul ryan stands, because as of right now with Mitt attempting to move to the center, Ryan's core beliefs are left by the roadside and he is forced to defend policies he has not supported in the past.

I agree there is a lot of definition about certain elements on both sides, but even more obfuscation. Romney has changed his position numerous times and indeed his campaign has had to walk back a significant number of his statements. It does seem a little odd that for two years this severe conservative has been pitching severe conservative ideas and suddenly in the last re months has an epiphany and radically changes his previous positions. It just doesn't pass the smell test for sincerity.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
In otherwords... you don't have a plan... but want the other side to have one? Yeah... that's called being a hypocrite...

I can tell you this... It doesnt matter which specific tax loop holes that get closed... The entire premise of his tax plan is not the tax loop holes will cover it... ITS GROWTH IN THE ECONOMY THAT WILL!!! You liberals are foreign to this concept, growth... Romney is going to increase growth... and with more people paying taxes and more businesses getting taxed on their profits it will increase revenue... the tax loophole closings are just meant to help keep progressivity to the tax code and make it so the upper brackets pay a higher effective tax rate... which more closely aligns to what tax code is...

So again... what specific large scale cuts is Obama going to find in the $1.2T deficit? Oh that's right... he wants to spend more... for jobs bills to create more temporary government jobs that dont pan out in the long run...

You don't have a plan to balance the deficit...
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You responded to my post, which was asking the question about specifics, with a question, not an answer. You answer mine and I'll answer yours. Until then, continue to deflect.
 
NitroHangover said:
I'm watching the first half right now.

Ryan beat Biden in the talk about Iran and nuclear weapons in a big bad way. Even the moderator was questioning Biden's attitude about the whole thing.

Then came the stimulus money... and Biden definitely took that one. That was hard to watch, oof.

I'd say it's pretty even on points so far in the first half, but in style and attitude, Biden is looking like a total ass. I watched the second half of the debate first, and he's like a different person. In the second half he came off as a grumbling, grumpy old man who was speaking in a low voice and fumbling with his words. Now in the first half, he's laughing and interrupting and just being a cocky dick. I wonder what changed.
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I don't see how you think Ryan won the Iran debate. He stated the same misinformation about Iran's nuclear weapon capability as the right is prone to doing, while not putting an actual plan for Iran out there. He seems to think that once Romney is elected Iran is going to suddenly respect America and it's allies and stop all its bad behavior.
 
Biden wasn't laughing at Ryan.....the gerbil just wouldn't stay still.
 
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