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Romney puts forth his foreign policy platform

Again, a power plant. Is it America's opinion that Iran can't have anything nuclear related? Are we suppose to force them to stay in the dark ages because we're afraid of every shadow?

They have had every opportunity to be open and transparent if a power plant is all they are after and they could have gone with a different type of plant not as well suited for nuclear bomb technology. They could have allowed non-US UN inspectors in there if they were really interested in soothing things out. They obviously have to have nuclear power at some point, but it is the other stuff that is getting them in trouble. Personally I think we should target the government and the religious elites and leave the nuclear facilities alone. Irradiating the masses probably won't help us much in the long run.
 
Since we are no longer in Iraq please explain to us the 1.3 trillion dollar deficit Obama had in fiscal year 2012? You are like far too many liberals ignoring that the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars are in the 10.6 trillion dollar debt Obama inherited. He had a chance to end the war in Afghanistan but chose not to and then not give the commanders the troops they wanted, cutting their request by 10,000. Liberals still support this empty suit and not sure what results would ever change that support

I would be glad to as soon as you answer my question and tell us all how new invasions into middle east countries like Iran are going to lower our deficit. Once you explain that in a realistic term i will be happy to hold your hand and bring you through all the details you want.
 
I would be glad to as soon as you answer my question and tell us all how new invasions into middle east countries like Iran are going to lower our deficit. Once you explain that in a realistic term i will be happy to hold your hand and bring you through all the details you want.

As I have told you over and over again without a strong national defense nothing matters and that is followed closely by a strong economy. Iran with a nuclear weapon has already stated what they would do with it so tell us all how that benefits our national security as well as our economy. Do you have any idea where Iran is on a map?

Now answer the question, Obama has had over trillion dollar deficits every year in office, the War in Iraq was winding down so how did that happen?
 
The policy seems a bit inconsistent. He wants to "arm the Syrian rebels" and accuses Obama of abandoning them. Yet when Obama did arm rebels and get involved, as in Libya, he was slammed all over the place by righty commentators. I actually had a friend on Facebook slamming him for helping the Syrian rebels because of their ties to terrorist groups. Conveniently forgetting that Assad has ties to Hezbollah.

Syria has been an enemy of the US for years. Ghadafi was neutered by the Bush administration and had cooperated with US intelligence gathering for years. In fact his son had been granted clearance to tour military facilities in the US just months before Obama turned on him. Obama NEVER sought or was granted Congressional approval for military action against Libya. He supported a UN resaolution against Libya and violated the US constitution to do it.
 
Hardly a hammering. He told a bunch of half truths and lies and smeared a bit of cold war rhetoric on top to come out with a speech that his warmongering GOP right wing neo cons would love. The fact he has the balls to blame Obama for the with drawl from Iraq, and blaming Al Q for the increasing sectarian violence in Iraq.. not to mention the "weak" government .. I mean come on. First off, it was Bush that agreed to the terms of the withdrawal. The increased violence is sectarian. Al Q was basically destroyed in Iraq by the US and Iraq forces.. well self destructed is a better term. And then there is the "weak" government.. if he wanted a strong government then he should not have backed the removal of Saddam.. after all the Iraqi government is democratically elected and the US is behind the Kurdish north which is causing a big part of the instability in the political sphere.

So there was no hammering, just more inaccuracies, spin, half truths and out right lies by Romney.

The Obama administration stated that they wanted to renew our SOFA with Iraq and leave 15,000 troops in Iraq to train their army and police. Up until days before Bush's SOFA expired, Leon Panetta said that our goal was to stay. The Obama administration was incapable of negotiating a new SOFA and our forces were FORCED TO LEAVE. We were kicked out of the country after all of those deaths and injuries. And then Obama declared victory and his supporters swooned.
 
Your speculated noted, but it doesn't look like military leadership was polled. So apparently polls that don't show what you want aren't credible?

I didn't say it wasn't credible. Read what I say before you construct a strawman.
 
Syria has been an enemy of the US for years. Ghadafi was neutered by the Bush administration and had cooperated with US intelligence gathering for years. In fact his son had been granted clearance to tour military facilities in the US just months before Obama turned on him. Obama NEVER sought or was granted Congressional approval for military action against Libya. He supported a UN resaolution against Libya and violated the US constitution to do it.

So you're crying because Gadafi's gone? :lamo
 
I didn't say it wasn't credible. Read what I say before you construct a strawman.

This is what you said and what I responded to, the rank and file were the ones polled

It's because Romney wants to increase their budget. They get more money and more toys, of course they like that.
 
This is what you said and what I responded to, the rank and file were the ones polled

I didn't say it wasn't credible. I told you why Romney's more popular with the military. Money. It trickles down, doesn't it?
 
As I have told you over and over again without a strong national defense nothing matters and that is followed closely by a strong economy. Iran with a nuclear weapon has already stated what they would do with it so tell us all how that benefits our national security as well as our economy. Do you have any idea where Iran is on a map?

Now answer the question, Obama has had over trillion dollar deficits every year in office, the War in Iraq was winding down so how did that happen?

I hope you aren't suggesting we invade Iran, that will be a war far more ugly than Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

As for why the deficit isn't winding down the answer is very simple, spending wasn't cut and revenue wasn't increased. The DoD budget, despite the total end of the war in Iraq (not its winding down) has not decreased to the level it was prior to the Iraq invasion, no where even close. Clearly despite having ended that war we are still paying for most of it.
 
I hope you aren't suggesting we invade Iran, that will be a war far more ugly than Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

As for why the deficit isn't winding down the answer is very simple, spending wasn't cut and revenue wasn't increased. The DoD budget, despite the total end of the war in Iraq (not its winding down) has not decreased to the level it was prior to the Iraq invasion, no where even close. Clearly despite having ended that war we are still paying for most of it.

The problem we have today is that Obama has spent more than Bush ever spent and has 22.7 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers not paying their full tax burden but you are right, Obama has cut nothing, threw billions down the green energy rathole and continues to ignore the economic problems this country faces.
 
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So you're crying because Gadafi's gone? :lamo

I don't think our consulate would have been attacked and 4 State Department members murdered if he was still there. And I don't think any US President should be allowed to break US laws.
 
I don't think our consulate would have been attacked and 4 State Department members murdered if he was still there. And I don't think any US President should be allowed to break US laws.

Right, and I don't think over 4,000 of our troops would be dead and tens of thousands maimed if Saddam was still in Iraq. Are you trying to argue that a successful military campaign with only four casualties wasn't worth it?
 
Right, and I don't think over 4,000 of our troops would be dead and tens of thousands maimed if Saddam was still in Iraq. Are you trying to argue that a successful military campaign with only four casualties wasn't worth it?

Tell me what did we gain by invading Libya? Oh that's right it was for OIL. So now Libya is invading our embassy and killing our citizens and there is no guarantee of their oil . And now Libya is in shambles with it's government.

And tell me what threat Ghadafi was to the US.
 
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Right, and I don't think over 4,000 of our troops would be dead and tens of thousands maimed if Saddam was still in Iraq. Are you trying to argue that a successful military campaign with only four casualties wasn't worth it?

Not if the President breaks the law to do it. The President is subject to US Congressional approval not UN approval. Do you understand how dangerous this precedent is? And there were many more than 4 casualties. How many innocent people lost their lives because Obama decided on his own to committ US military power to overthrowing Ghadafi? And Ghadafi was no threat to the US.
 
Hardly a hammering. He told a bunch of half truths and lies and smeared a bit of cold war rhetoric on top to come out with a speech that his warmongering GOP right wing neo cons would love. The fact he has the balls to blame Obama for the with drawl from Iraq, and blaming Al Q for the increasing sectarian violence in Iraq.. not to mention the "weak" government .. I mean come on. First off, it was Bush that agreed to the terms of the withdrawal. The increased violence is sectarian. Al Q was basically destroyed in Iraq by the US and Iraq forces.. well self destructed is a better term. And then there is the "weak" government.. if he wanted a strong government then he should not have backed the removal of Saddam.. after all the Iraqi government is democratically elected and the US is behind the Kurdish north which is causing a big part of the instability in the political sphere.

So there was no hammering, just more inaccuracies, spin, half truths and out right lies by Romney.

In bold is as far as I got reading your talking point that Romney lies. After Obama's drastic defeat at the debate now all you liberals are on the new Romney lie taking point. I'm done
 
He sounded like a Republican from the 1980s.. with a 1980s point of view. Some of the crap he spouted out really scares me, plus where will he get the money for his massive military expansion?

Ya mean back when the US carried some sort of actual respect in the world, besides that of just wet-nursing and nation-building? Give me Reagan any day, over what we've had for the past 20 years.
 
Not if the President breaks the law to do it. The President is subject to US Congressional approval not UN approval. Do you understand how dangerous this precedent is? And there were many more than 4 casualties. How many innocent people lost their lives because Obama decided on his own to committ US military power to overthrowing Ghadafi? And Ghadafi was no threat to the US.

Cons are now eulogizing Gadhafi. That sound you here is Ronald Reagan turning in his grave...
 
No one said that Russia is our main enemy. They are, however, our biggest threat (outside of terrorism). Just because they are a "threat," doesn't automatically mean they're on the offensive, either. It just means that, of all the countries in the world, they're the one most likely to cause serious friction. Get your context in focus.

Only issue there is, russia is nowhere even close to the biggest threat.

If he can misread the geopolitical landscape that badly, and at the same time insult a serious world player like russia for no gain in the process, he doesn't instill a great deal of confidence in his foreign policy ability.
 

This...

Romney's Foreign Policies Sound a Lot Like Obama's
Source: National Journal, By Michael Hirsh dated October 8, 2012

Romney's speech continued a broad move to the rhetorical middle that he signaled during his first debate with President Obama last week. Yet in toning down his language—for example, by backing away from earlier suggestions that he was ready to go to war with Iran—Romney revealed that his actual policy differences with Obama are almost undetectable in many areas.
 
This...

Romney's Foreign Policies Sound a Lot Like Obama's
Source: National Journal, By Michael Hirsh dated October 8, 2012

Sounds a lot like Obama's? You think Romney will ignore our allies and even requests from our own embassies? Think that Romney will be going on the View when World Leaders are meeting at the UN? Romney's foreign policy will be "Peace through strength" whereas Obama's seems to be "Peace through appeasement"

Hillary Clinton should be fired for incompetence, Obama should be fired for his entire record, Valerie Jarrett should be booted out on her ass, John Brennan should be prosecuted for incompetence and yet Romney's Foreign policy sounds like Obama's? It does seem that rhetoric continues to trump substance with the Obama supporters.
 
Conservative,

Let's be honest about Romney's foreign policy. His rhetoric is nothing more than a retread from the Reagan era and that's fine if you're of the hard-Right set who wants desperately to resurrect the ideals of a real Conservative leader. But Romney's not Reagan - not even close! But you guys, you keep working hard to convince yourselves that you have someone who's Reagan-ess. Lord know Republicans have been tripping all over themselves since the GOP primaries when it became clear he would be your party's nominee. (Or did you? See "The Norquist" below). You've had to force yourselves to like him when truth is you guys wanted someone else to lead your party. It's like putting a bitter bite of food in your mouth at a formal dining event and you're sitting at the head table but you don't want to be rude and spit that bit out while the host is looking. So you swallow...hard...and you just take it. That's where many Republicans are with Romney. You accept him because you have to, not because you want to.

Romney's foreign policy is either: a) a rehash of old ideas, i.e., supporting puppet regimes but calling it "spreading democracy"; and, b) mirroring current foreign policy measures by the Obama Administration. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, that's different about what he'd do that isn't being done today. From his Middle-East issues website:

To protect our enduring national interests and to promote our ideals, a Romney administration will pursue a strategy of supporting groups and governments across the Middle East to advance the values of representative government, economic opportunity, and human rights, and opposing any extension of Iranian or jihadist influence.

Ladies and gentlemen, we tried this before - TWICE - and got SADDAM HUSSIEN and OSAMA BIN LADEN!

So, other than trying to institute more puppet regimes, what exactly would he do differently?

He may not like that combat troops were pulled from Iraq, but when you have a pre-arranged schedule of withdrawl instituted by your predecessor AND the country inwhich the previous and current Presidents worked hard to bring a long war to an end while reminding the country that "democracy must hold" AND (this part is important so pay attention) the President of Iraq (or Prime Minister or whatever that country's leader calls himself) all but tells the Presidnet of the "liberating" nation to leave - it no longers desires or requires their help militarily - you have no choice but to leave unless you want to extend an already protracted war. So, I ask you when exactly were we to let this new democratic Iraq begin to rule itself again? Stay in country another year? Two years? Five years? Another decade? When does the parent let the child grow up and start taking care of itself?

On Iran, I laugh at Republicans on this issue. Why? Because Iran's been a thorn in America's side since 1979. Yet, here we are 22 years, five Administrations and three Republican presidents later and not one of them dared to take on Ahmadinejad directly. Instead, every one of them from Reagan to Obama have used sanctions as a means to pressure Iran from continuing their nuclear enrichment program, a measure Romney says he would continue and, moreover, gave credit to both GW Bush and Obama for pursuing.

From his Iran issues website:

Mitt Romney will also push for greater diplomatic isolation of Iran.

Translation: More sactions. Not a direct military strike against Iran which he has all but eluded to in order to gain support from the far-Right, but sanctions. But I'll give him credit where credit is due. He's not as much of a fool I thought him to be. Even he isn't dumb enough to take military options off the table. But hey, why push another war when you sound tough publicly while privately echo the exact same position on Iran as the current President:

U.S. policy toward Iran must begin with an understanding on Iran’s part that a military option to deal with their nuclear weapons program is very real and very credible.

Well, I'll be damned! Isn't that the exact same position as President Obama? That Romney sure would be tougher on Iran, won't he? :roll:

On the Israel-Palistine issue:

As president, Mitt Romney will recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state of Israel. He will reject any measure that would frustrate direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Now, where have we heard this before? Oh, yeah...his address to the UN Security Counsel last year (not to mention in his 2012 SOUA):

President Barack Obama addressed a looming diplomatic showdown between his administration and the Palestinians regarding its intentions for statehood head-on Wednesday, devoting much of his United Nations address to the contentious subject and reiterating U.S. opposition to a vote.
Obama has been trying for months to convince the Palestinians not to bring the issue of statehood recognition up to a vote at the world body—either before its Security Council or the General Assembly—but to return to the negotiating table with Israel.

Negotiations directly with their Mideast neighbor, Obama stressed, is the only avenue for a lasting, peaceful solution to the ongoing, decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which revolves around the establishment of defined, agreed-upon borders for both, as well as for their security.

Should Palestine move for such a vote, as its officials have stated are its intention, Obama made it clear the U.S. would not support it.

“One year ago, I stood at this podium and called for an independent Palestine,” Obama said. “I believed then—and I believe now—that the Palestinian people deserve a state of their own. But what I also said is that genuine peace can only be realized between Israelis and Palestinians themselves.

Source: Obama: Palestinian State Through Negotiation, Not U.N. Vote | Long Island Press

Our ironclad commitment -- and I mean ironclad -- to Israel’s security has meant the closest military cooperation between our two countries in history.

Source: 2012 SOUA

There are alot of examples just like the one's above where Romney tries real hard to come across as being vastly different from Obama on foreign policy, but the truth is he'd do exactly the same things - that is, unless you believe "The Norquist" when he essentially said, "Mitt Romney will do exactly as he's told."

Sources:
NBA video
Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told
 
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