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Romney Bump: FL, VA, OH, NV

The Prof said:
gallup and pew are more reliable than actual votes---LOL!
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Again....those numbers you posted were not "votes". They were new voter registration. Read your own article.
 
iliveonramen said:
So now the polls are accurate! One week all the polls are wrong next week spiking the football over poll numbers! I appreciate the entertainment guys!!
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I agree. It shows desperation when the right cries fowl when the facts do not support their guy, but relish in facts when the results show a gain for their guy. It is rather entertaining...lol.
 
tererun said:
I do have to notice how when the polls were showing Romney in a clear downward trend they were all made up and completely wrong, but now that they say what these guys want they are correct.

However, like before when coupled with a real event that would back up what is a estimation game based on small samples is something i can believe. In other words, romney did good for the first time in his campaign, and no duh people are going to see him in a better light. It was also a big fail for obama who many thought was going to wipe the floor with Romney as Romney feasted on his shoes. For an actual change the Romtadrs actually have a reason to celebrate and do not have to try twisting reality into a pretzel to pretend Romney actually did himself a favor during one of his public moments.

Now all Romney has to do is keep it going for 4 more weeks, and maybe it might be enough to overcome his deficit. Can he actually defend his blatant lies, stop saying stupid stuff, and not have any other major blows to his campaign in the next month? Enjoy the moment Republicans, it has been a long time coming, and you have had many reasons to hang your head in shame over the past year.
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I tend to think the VP debate will cause Romney a lot of problems. However, it will cause Ryan even more problems. Will Ryan move to the center like Romney did risking his future with his base? Or will Ryan stay far right and distance himself from Romney? If Ryan stays far right he will undo everything Romney did during the first debate. If Ryan goes center, he will risk being seen as a flip flopper and his base isn't very forgiving. Lets not forget how far center Romney went. At times, he even went to the left of Obama. Obama also pointed out where he and Romney 3.0 agree. Once the dust settles, that can't play well with the far right. I honestly don't think Romney will be able to remain in the center after the VP debate.
 
Politicaladdict said:
Everyone figured that Romney would get a bump....and polls are polls and some lean more left and some more right....so you really have to look at the source.....as a business owner I can only hope that Romney wins or my business will disappear like so many others....and we are teetering on the edge as it is....and we use to have a booming business...and what Obama is offering for 4 more years will make us close our doors for good.
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I suppose it's a matter of what type business you own. My husband runs a business and we are hoping democrats win big this election. That way Obama's bill to rebuild the infrastructure has a chance of getting passed and my husband will be able to hire more people and expand his business.
 
They were new voter registration
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no, they were absentee ballot requests

and they've swung between 6 and 27 points red in the five largest counties

as for voters, they're down 44% in cleveland

unless obama's counting on the unregistered
 
Hairytic said:
I suppose it's a matter of what type business you own. My husband runs a business and we are hoping democrats win big this election. That way Obama's bill to rebuild the infrastructure has a chance of getting passed and my husband will be able to hire more people and expand his business.
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Justt curious how long are you going to believe Obama's lies and broken promises...Isn't 4 years of them enough?
 
 
Travis007 said:
The man was the Governor of Mass... we all know Mitt.

Obama on the other hand is still an unknown radical, who is about to go further left of left..

I have tro laugh,,, Obama said "he doesnt know who that Mitt Romney was on Wednesday and that if Mitt has all these good ideas why is he hilding all of them?" ... the punchline to unknowing moron Obama is that if Obama had any good ideas we wouldnt be going off a fiscal cliff... Obama is his own punchline... and Im to believe this jr loser senator, who is a proven radical, we see the 2007 tape all over where he might as well be Farakan or Wright speaking.. but Obama hes got the "good ideas"...
no facts back up that he as a clue, yet an idea.. but again Im to believe Mitt Romney who knows more about the economy then Obama knows about Marxism and Alinsky, a man who helped creat Bain ... he has no ideas....its insult to a persons sense of reason

Obama didnt have a bad night... he got owned... he got punked..Hes a zero... now the DNC is reduced to childish name calling , calling Mitt a "liar"....

Like I said im proud to be GOP..the Dem party has left the building...
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Last Wednesday night we saw the fourth Mitt Romney. THe first Mitt Romney was the candidate running against Ted Kennedy who was left of Kennedy. The second Mitt Romney was the progressive governor. The third Mitt Romney was the far right presidential candidate. Now we see the moderate centrist presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Obama has been and is still the moderate President. I have yet to see anything radical in Obama's record.
Mitt Romney earned the “liar liar pants on fire” title. He did lie during the debate, many times. He also changed his position, again. The only thing we really know about Romney is that he flip flops more than any politician in modern history. Also, Romney's move to the center will not play well during the Ryan/Biden debate. This put Ryan in a very bad position. Ryan has been consistent with being far right, and not he will either have to move center or stand on his far right principles.
 
The Prof said:
55 percent of small business owners would not start company today, blame Obama | WashingtonExaminer.com



Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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The "shovel ready projects" was a term used when the stimulus was being debated. Rebuilding the Infrastructure is a completely different issue. Ear marking money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure will create jobs quickly and boost the economy. We need more demand for our economy to boom. When people have more jobs they will create more demand. It really is that simple. Once the jobs problem is solved, the rest of the economy will bounce back quickly. As for anything the Washington Examiner says is skewed to the right. We have already seen pick up in business over the last two months. My husband has been thinking of hiring at least one more person to keep up with demand. Most of our business is picking up from chain stores owned by big corporations doing remodling work on their stores. This tells me that big businesses are seeing a clear up turn in the economy, so much so that they are investing in building projects. You wouldn't see this kind of activity if the economy is looking bad.
 
Hairytic said:
The "shovel ready projects" was a term used when the stimulus was being debated. Rebuilding the Infrastructure is a completely different issue. Ear marking money to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure will create jobs quickly and boost the economy. We need more demand for our economy to boom. When people have more jobs they will create more demand. It really is that simple. Once the jobs problem is solved, the rest of the economy will bounce back quickly. As for anything the Washington Examiner says is skewed to the right. We have already seen pick up in business over the last two months. My husband has been thinking of hiring at least one more person to keep up with demand. Most of our business is picking up from chain stores owned by big corporations doing remodling work on their stores. This tells me that big businesses are seeing a clear up turn in the economy, so much so that they are investing in building projects. You wouldn't see this kind of activity if the economy is looking bad.
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Um...no. We talked about this in another thread. When the economy is down is when you invest in improvements and try to grab market share. You must assume that at some point the economy will recover and take the opportunity to grab the new activity that may come at some point in the (hopefully) near future. Taking market share in a saturated market at its peak is nearly impossible.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Um...no. We talked about this in another thread. When the economy is down is when you invest in improvements and try to grab market share. You must assume that at some point the economy will recover and take the opportunity to grab the new activity that may come at some point in the (hopefully) near future. Taking market share in a saturated market at its peak is nearly impossible.
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I have no idea what you are talking about with market shares. My point is that these chain stores are forcastig more demand. Typically this time of year my husband gets some business by going into these stores and setting up displays for holiday shopping. However,we are seeing more money being invested in over all remodling which tells me the corporations that manage these stores see that investing in remodling will bring them a bigger profit. The only way they will be seeing a bigger profit is if they can see that demand will be going up soon with job growth. I am working from basic economics 101.
 
anecdotal husbands aside...

economics 101:

Partly because of the retrenching, companies in the S&P 500, excluding financial institutions and utilities, held near-record cash totaling $1.01 trillion in the first three months of 2012, S&P data show.
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Jobs Outlook Seen Weak as U.S. Companies Reporting Cost Cuts - Bloomberg

ie, they're sitting on it

more from bloomberg, monday, 5 days ago:

Weakening demand is forcing new and accelerated cost reductions at companies from Bank of America and Hewlett-Packard to Staples and Eastman Kodak, dimming the outlook for an already struggling U.S. labor market.

Even as consumer confidence and housing show signs of recovering, sales for businesses in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index fell 0.9 percent from a year earlier in July through September, the second consecutive quarterly drop and biggest decline since 2009, according to analyst forecasts compiled by Bloomberg. A 1.2 percent gain projected for October-December still is smaller than the 5.4 percent rise in this year’s first three months.

A global slowdown triggered by Europe’s debt crisis is exacerbated by the potential impact of the impending U.S. fiscal cliff of changes in taxes and government spending. All this is pushing finance chiefs back to the drawing board, with some limiting hiring and investment and others slashing more jobs than originally announced. Such belt-tightening will dominate employment prospects for the rest of the year.

Bank of America, the second-biggest U.S. lender, is speeding up a 2011 plan to trim $8 billion in expenses and more than 30,000 positions. Hewlett-Packard, the world’s largest personal-computer maker, will slash 29,000 jobs instead of the 27,000 it announced in May. Staples is accelerating its shutdown of 15 American stores as consumers shift to using fewer traditional office products such as folders.
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6 days and 582,000 part time jobs ago:

Business activity in the U.S. unexpectedly contracted in September for the first time in three years, adding to signs manufacturing will contribute less to the economic recovery.

The Institute for Supply Management-Chicago Inc. said today its business barometer fell to 49.7 this month from 53 in August. A reading of 50 is the dividing line between expansion and contraction.

Uncertainties surrounding domestic fiscal policy and weakening economies in Europe and China may prevent companies from adding to headcount and ramping up production. Slow growth prospects prompted the Federal Reserve to announce more accommodation measures earlier this month in a bid to help spur the three-year-old expansion.

The median estimate of 57 economists surveyed by Bloomberg forecast the gauge would fall to 52.8. Projections ranged from 50 to 54.5.

The Chicago group’s gauge of new orders dropped to 47.4 from 54.8. The employment measure declined to 52, the weakest since March 2010, from 57.1 the prior month. The production gauge fell to 55.4 from August’s reading of 57.4, today’s report showed.

Factory activity in the New York area contracted more than forecast in August, to its lowest level in more than three years, and production in the Philadelphia region shrank for a fifth month, Fed reports showed this month.

Household spending increased at a 1.5 percent annual rate in the second quarter, the lowest in a year, Commerce Department data show. Companies’ spending on equipment and software rose at a 4.8 pace over the same period, the weakest since the third quarter of 2009.
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Business Activity in U.S. Shrinks for First Time Since 2009 - Bloomberg
 
Hairytic said:
I have no idea what you are talking about with market shares. My point is that these chain stores are forcastig more demand. Typically this time of year my husband gets some business by going into these stores and setting up displays for holiday shopping. However,we are seeing more money being invested in over all remodling which tells me the corporations that manage these stores see that investing in remodling will bring them a bigger profit. The only way they will be seeing a bigger profit is if they can see that demand will be going up soon with job growth. I am working from basic economics 101.
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Yes, because the market is at the bottom. They expect it to go up and when it does they want to be positioned to attract every new customer and new dollar. Or they are trying to prevent future lost customers as the market continues to tumble, depending on the election.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Yes, because the market is at the bottom. They expect it to go up and when it does they want to be positioned to attract every new customer and new dollar. Or they are trying to prevent future lost customers as the market continues to tumble, depending on the election.
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The market is looking strong. I don't see it tumbling. It has more toubled over the last 4 years.
 
Hairytic said:
I tend to think the VP debate will cause Romney a lot of problems. However, it will cause Ryan even more problems. Will Ryan move to the center like Romney did risking his future with his base? Or will Ryan stay far right and distance himself from Romney? If Ryan stays far right he will undo everything Romney did during the first debate. If Ryan goes center, he will risk being seen as a flip flopper and his base isn't very forgiving. Lets not forget how far center Romney went. At times, he even went to the left of Obama. Obama also pointed out where he and Romney 3.0 agree. Once the dust settles, that can't play well with the far right. I honestly don't think Romney will be able to remain in the center after the VP debate.
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It is true, Ryan does have his other campaign to think about and if he goes centrist he will have problems in that election. It does make me wonder what will happen.
 
Hairytic said:
The market is looking strong. I don't see it tumbling. It has more toubled over the last 4 years.
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Well, except you have a debt bomb set to go off in China, warnings that the US credit rating may drop soon, the student loan debt bomb here in the US and the sluggish European market shows no sign of recovery. There is definitely no certainty in the economy.
 
Hairytic said:
The market is looking strong. I don't see it tumbling. It has more toubled over the last 4 years.
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The market is doing well for two reasons: 1. Corporations have streamlined themselves and are raking in record profits. 2. The FED has pursued a poolicy over the last 4 years of inflating asset prices. If you want a return on your money, the only place to put it is in stocks. There is so much artificial stimulus and government action in the markets it is impossible to know what the true value of anything is.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Well, except you have a debt bomb set to go off in China, warnings that the US credit rating may drop soon, the student loan debt bomb here in the US and the sluggish European market shows no sign of recovery. There is definitely no certainty in the economy.
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Well, the stock market has more than doubled over the last 4 years. That shows economy confidence.
 
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