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Romney Bump: FL, VA, OH, NV

You think it's good that people think the country is headed in the wrong direction?

Like Z said... Im heartened to see that the country understands Obama is not the right "path" as Mitt said ...

Id be upset if us Americans thought that the country is not in trouble.. we cant handle another 4 years of Obama..this economy is flat on its back.. Obama claims crumbs are now WINNING...
 
Historical trends in Virginia are rather inaccurate due to the substantial shift in demographics in population over the past two decades of Virginia due to the extensive and sizable growth in Northern Virginia that is largely more center-left in nature. It's really best to be viewed at this point as a truly purple state

While I do not disagree with you generally it is better to say they are a Conservative state. The GOP has been pretty strong in the state offices, and even the democrats tend to be fiscally conservative as has been evidenced by their ability to come together and raise fees and cut spending to retain the state's top credit rating. For instance, current Senate candidate and former Governor Tim Kaine is about as liberal as they come if you ask him his opinions on social issues, but he actually governed on the moderate to conservative side to make sure the financial house was in order first and foremost. As someone who considers themselves socially progressive and fiscally conservative, I respect him for that.
 
Everyone figured that Romney would get a bump....and polls are polls and some lean more left and some more right....so you really have to look at the source.....as a business owner I can only hope that Romney wins or my business will disappear like so many others....and we are teetering on the edge as it is....and we use to have a booming business...and what Obama is offering for 4 more years will make us close our doors for good.

I hear ya.....I have had to diversify a lot to cover my Cos and only hope to make it that last 4 years.. Im not sure if I can handle another 4 years on stagnation at the best..
 
I do have to notice how when the polls were showing Romney in a clear downward trend they were all made up and completely wrong, but now that they say what these guys want they are correct.

However, like before when coupled with a real event that would back up what is a estimation game based on small samples is something i can believe. In other words, romney did good for the first time in his campaign, and no duh people are going to see him in a better light. It was also a big fail for obama who many thought was going to wipe the floor with Romney as Romney feasted on his shoes. For an actual change the Romtadrs actually have a reason to celebrate and do not have to try twisting reality into a pretzel to pretend Romney actually did himself a favor during one of his public moments.

Now all Romney has to do is keep it going for 4 more weeks, and maybe it might be enough to overcome his deficit. Can he actually defend his blatant lies, stop saying stupid stuff, and not have any other major blows to his campaign in the next month? Enjoy the moment Republicans, it has been a long time coming, and you have had many reasons to hang your head in shame over the past year.

Ther is no deficit to overcome.. thats the big lie.. the reality of all polls show that with Obama never going over 50%.. thats the news in the polls!!!that Obama is far behind where an incubent should be...Mitt is going to win big..
 
But polls are useless...they don't show anything...they are grossly inaccurate and are ripe with sampling errors therefore they show absolutely nothing....right?

Instead of fishing, why don't you just find a post where I said that?

Oh, that's right, you can't because I never said any such thing.
 
I don't think that this is the kind of "Bump" that Romney and the Republicans were hoping for.

I have noticed the immediate polls don't tend to immediately reflect the bump. That is not to say there is not a rise, but it tends to take about a week for the full effect to come around. If this bump goes like any other Romney will probably see more in the next couple of days. If that was all Romney got from that debate I would be surprised, and he is really doomed. Still, perhaps america pretty much has it's mind made up and since Romney did not say anything new in regards to his weaknesses this victory might not be worth much. Romney also has another problem that he ran away from some of his most salient points. He completely dropped his tax cut ideas for the so called job creators. he dropped his clear opposition of medicare, social security, and cutting school funding. He downright endorsed Obamacare, except for the name. I would imagine that in the next few weeks we are going to see ad after ad showing the new blatant contradictions and lies he made that night. He clearly went after the middle, and that may be a good thing, or it may just show him as being completely unreliable on everything. Is the middle going to believe the man who has taken the extremes for the past few months is really on their side? Are people going to actually believe him when he says he has learned his claims that 47 percent of the US being victims was wrong?
 
Ther is no deficit to overcome.. thats the big lie.. the reality of all polls show that with Obama never going over 50%.. thats the news in the polls!!!that Obama is far behind where an incubent should be...Mitt is going to win big..

Ok, so you claim the polls are lying, then you claim they are true. Sorry, but you just shot your own statement full of holes.

I am personally not to confident in the accuracy of singular daily polls that use a small sample set. However, when you use correlation on the polls you find that when plotted they form a correlation that shows obama has been gaining a lead on Romney, especially in the places that matter up until this debate. You couple that with a number of really unpopular statements and mistakes on Romney's part, and some good performances on Obama's and the dems part and it becomes obvious Romney was losing. I know you do not wish to believe that, but that is the reality of what was happening, and he has to overcome the losses that have come from his poor convention, his outlandish statements, and his lack of any real policy. About the best you have been able to come up with is anomolies in polling information that you claim are for some reason supposed to be a real description of what is going on.

Like I said, be happy. Your guy got a clear win, and it is boosting him up in the proper direction. he may have a chance to pull this out with 2 more good debate showings, and if nothing kills his momentum like his tax returns getting released, or some other really stupid comment by him. It is just the bad luck of reality coming to haunt him that there was a good job report that completely blows away his claims america is moving in a bad direction. He really should stick with the idea he could do it better rather than trying to claim it is all lies and conspiracies. But that is the same old romney being his worst enemy in the campaign.

Need another straw?
 
When you see five or ten or even twenty or more separate, private polling firms, all asking essentially the same questions in slightly different ways, with overlapping time periods and different samples, and they come up with substantially similar results, you would have to be quite deluded to believe that they aren't accurate ... on average. You would have to be quite mad to believe that they are all conspiring together -- particularly when some of them are sponsored by left leaning and right leaning groups, and everything in between. It's just a full flight from reality.
 
I have noticed the immediate polls don't tend to immediately reflect the bump. That is not to say there is not a rise, but it tends to take about a week for the full effect to come around. If this bump goes like any other Romney will probably see more in the next couple of days. If that was all Romney got from that debate I would be surprised, and he is really doomed. Still, perhaps america pretty much has it's mind made up and since Romney did not say anything new in regards to his weaknesses this victory might not be worth much. Romney also has another problem that he ran away from some of his most salient points. He completely dropped his tax cut ideas for the so called job creators. he dropped his clear opposition of medicare, social security, and cutting school funding. He downright endorsed Obamacare, except for the name. I would imagine that in the next few weeks we are going to see ad after ad showing the new blatant contradictions and lies he made that night. He clearly went after the middle, and that may be a good thing, or it may just show him as being completely unreliable on everything. Is the middle going to believe the man who has taken the extremes for the past few months is really on their side? Are people going to actually believe him when he says he has learned his claims that 47 percent of the US being victims was wrong?

Romney didn't say anything new? Romney changed positions on about 6 issues....which you documented

As for are people going to being his claims? Depends. If you are one of the ones that believes that you truly know where Romney stands on the issues, then yes, you are going to buy his claims, even though he has doubled down on it and said the complete opposite for the last month.
 
FYI I still think the polls are lying. Romney is 10 points up if you take out the democratic oversampling :comp:





(yes I am just kidding though I am sure someone will try to take exception because Boss don't want us to let no rumors go unchallenged)
 
So now the polls are accurate!

LOL!

who said the polls were accurate?

after all, D+14 and a youth sample of 21% speak for themselves
 
Historical trends in Virginia are rather inaccurate due to the substantial shift in demographics in population over the past two decades of Virginia due to the extensive and sizable growth in Northern Virginia

McDonnell Wins in Va. by 18 - CBS News

african americans were 20% of the commonwealth's vote in 2008, 15% a year later

youths declined from 20 to 10% in the same span

as for fairfax, congressman gerald connolly won it in 2008 by 12

the second term dem barely survived tsunami tuesday by .5%

Connolly leads Fimian by 820 votes, but recount remains possible - Washington Post

that is, only 1000 votes prevented neanderthals from picking up FOUR instead of the 3 house seats they won in 2010

today, the delegation from the old dominion---including congressman connolly from the dc suburbs---is 8 to 3 red
 
Anything from Rasmussen can be flushed down the toilet

11 months before tsunami tuesday, alan abramowitz, poli sci prof, emory:

According to Rasmussen, Republicans currently enjoy a 7 point lead on the generic ballot question among likely voters. Democracy Corps, the only other polling organization currently using a likely voter sample, gives Democrats a 2 point lead on this question. To underscore the significance of this difference, an analysis of the relationship between popular vote share and seat share in the House of Representatives indicates that a 7 point Republican margin of victory in the national popular vote next November would result in a GOP pickup of 62 seats in the House, giving them a majority of 239 to 196 over the Democrats in the new Congress.

Abramowitz: A Note on the Rasmussen Effect | Democratic Strategist

are you familiar with democracy corps?

nyt and ap seem to have some ear for scott, founder of espn---or so says pew

The national media lost interest almost immediately, and then horse-race coverage dominated what was considered a fairly dull and utterly local contest. And when it became clear something was up, it was polling—not journalistic reporting—that caught the wave in the race to succeed Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy.

In the end, a campaign that first seemed to lack drama and star power was the most important and intensely covered political story in the country. And while they were certainly not alone, the press never saw it coming.

These are some of the findings in a new study produced by Boston University and the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism about how newspapers covered the Massachusetts special election to fill the seat created by Kennedy’s death. The study covered two time periods. The first was the Democratic and Republican primary races from September 1-December 8, 2009. The second was the final two weeks of the general election campaign from January 6-19, 2010, when the media began to sense there was an actual contest for the seat.

That second period began one day after a Rasmussen Report’s poll that showed the overwhelming Republican underdog, Scott Brown, climbing to within single digits (nine points) of Martha Coakley. That poll, perhaps more than anything else, signaled that a possible upset was brewing and galvanized both the media and political worlds.

In the two weeks after the Rasmussen poll, coverage picked up frantically. The New York Times and Associated Press produced almost twice as many stories in final the two weeks from January 6-19 as they did in the entire three months from September 1-December 8. Locally, nearly one-quarter of all the Boston Globe’s election coverage occurred in the final two weeks. Herald coverage accelerated further, with nearly 40% of all its campaign stories published in that period.

Hiding in Plain Sight, From Kennedy to Brown | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)
 
Ok, so you claim the polls are lying, then you claim they are true. Sorry, but you just shot your own statement full of holes.

I am personally not to confident in the accuracy of singular daily polls that use a small sample set. However, when you use correlation on the polls you find that when plotted they form a correlation that shows obama has been gaining a lead on Romney, especially in the places that matter up until this debate. You couple that with a number of really unpopular statements and mistakes on Romney's part, and some good performances on Obama's and the dems part and it becomes obvious Romney was losing. I know you do not wish to believe that, but that is the reality of what was happening, and he has to overcome the losses that have come from his poor convention, his outlandish statements, and his lack of any real policy. About the best you have been able to come up with is anomolies in polling information that you claim are for some reason supposed to be a real description of what is going on.

Like I said, be happy. Your guy got a clear win, and it is boosting him up in the proper direction. he may have a chance to pull this out with 2 more good debate showings, and if nothing kills his momentum like his tax returns getting released, or some other really stupid comment by him. It is just the bad luck of reality coming to haunt him that there was a good job report that completely blows away his claims america is moving in a bad direction. He really should stick with the idea he could do it better rather than trying to claim it is all lies and conspiracies. But that is the same old romney being his worst enemy in the campaign.

Need another straw?


The man was the Governor of Mass... we all know Mitt.

Obama on the other hand is still an unknown radical, who is about to go further left of left..

I have tro laugh,,, Obama said "he doesnt know who that Mitt Romney was on Wednesday and that if Mitt has all these good ideas why is he hilding all of them?" ... the punchline to unknowing moron Obama is that if Obama had any good ideas we wouldnt be going off a fiscal cliff... Obama is his own punchline... and Im to believe this jr loser senator, who is a proven radical, we see the 2007 tape all over where he might as well be Farakan or Wright speaking.. but Obama hes got the "good ideas"...
no facts back up that he as a clue, yet an idea.. but again Im to believe Mitt Romney who knows more about the economy then Obama knows about Marxism and Alinsky, a man who helped creat Bain ... he has no ideas....its insult to a persons sense of reason

Obama didnt have a bad night... he got owned... he got punked..Hes a zero... now the DNC is reduced to childish name calling , calling Mitt a "liar"....

Like I said im proud to be GOP..the Dem party has left the building...
 
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The word inside the biz is that Rasmussen ONLY GETS RELIABLE when it comes down to the wire

LOL!

Back in 1980 Gallup had Jimmy Carter up over Ronald Reagan by 4 points in mid to late September… And, Carter was up 8 points in October. In fact there was a published Gallup poll showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27.

Gallup also had Carter over Reagan in Sept. 1980 | Times 247

The day the Democratic convention ended in San Francisco in 1984, the Newsweek poll showed Walter Mondale 18 points ahead of President Ronald Reagan.

The Polls: Does Obama Really Have a Big Lead? - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

more recently, pew had obama up by 15 over mccain on 10-26-08, up by 14 on 10-19

cbs/nyt said, obama +11 on 10-29, +14 on 10-13

gallups's FINAL was +11

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...neral_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls
 
In a remarkable reversal of fortune for President Obama in Ohio, the GOP has closed the huge gap in absentee ballot requests used by early voters that favored the Democrats and the president in 2008, setting up what one state analyst said could be a Mitt Romney blowout on Election Day.

While in 2008, 33 percent of the 1,158,301 absentee ballots went to Democrats and just 19 percent to registered Republicans, a 14-point gap, this year 29 percent are being requested by Democrats and 24 percent by Republicans, a five-point gap.

And in a sign that the enthusiasm of 2008 voters is depressed, just 638,997 absentee ballots have been requested, according to American Majority Action, which culled the statistics together from Ohio college professors who are tracking the state's absentee ballots used for early voting.

Even more dramatic, while the GOP has cut the Democratic advantage in early voting throughout the state, the changes favoring the Republicans in certain counties has been huge. In Franklin County, home to Columbus, for example, a 2008 Democratic advantage of 5 percent is now a 5 percent GOP advantage. In Cuyahoga County, home to Democratic Cleveland, the GOP has shaved six points off the Democrat's 2008 advantage. And in Hamilton County, home to Cincinnati, Republicans have expanded their 2008 advantage to 13 percent.

University of Dayton Professor Larry Schweikart told AAA President Ned Ryun that the GOP gains favor Romney. "Although it is early, we will soon be at a point where--assuming Republicans vote for Romney--the Democrats will have to overwhelmingly win all the remaining early voting just to be even on November 6. But, given Ohio's voting history, if the numbers are even close after early voting, Obama will lose, and possibly lose big."

Ryun, whose group has opened voter registration efforts in Ohio and other swing states, said that the Buckeye State's efforts to clean up voter rolls has also played a part in tightening the gap. He said that 450,000 dead voters and duplicate registrations have been nixed, and the majority were Democrats.

"Considering Obama won the state by 263,000 votes, Ohio's cleaner rolls could make a big impact," Ryun said. He added, "The five largest counties in Ohio have all shifted at least 6 percent and as much as 27 percent to the Republicans since 2008. While the polls show an Obama lead, these real votes--assuming registered voters vote for their candidate--demonstrate a Republican shift since 2008."

Ohio shocker: GOP closes early voting gap, boosting Romney | WashingtonExaminer.com

the 5 largest counties:

cuyahoga (cleveland): absentees, way down to begin with, have swung from D+36 in 08 to D+30 today

franklin (columbus): -5 to +5 red

hamilton (cincinnati): +7 to +13

summit (akron): -33 to -6

montgomery (dayton): -29 to -5

medium sized counties licking and greene, for example, swung from tied to +16 and -4 to +19 red, respectively

on a separate score, voter registration net is way down across buckeye country

and 44% of the entire state's reg decline is in cuyahoga/cleveland

about 60% of the drop is in cuyahoga and franklin

Drop in Ohio voter registration, especially in Dem strongholds, mirrors nationwide trend | Fox News

numbers speak for themselves

ie, no spin, wynn
 
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The man was the Governor of Mass... we all know Mitt.

Obama on the other hand is still an unknown radical, who is about to go further left of left..

That would seem to be a lie. Romney was a governor for how many terms? 1 was it? So considering we have a twerm in the senate, and a term as president we have a much better idea of obama's credentials that we have for romney who has never been president at all, and certainly was not a president who turned around a disasterous economy in one term. Mitt romney ahs never ended a war, or even commanded a soldier. He ran away to france to avoid any service, and Obama has 4 years of experience as commander in cheif, along with an end to iraq, killing OBL and a number of terrorists, and even helping to liberate libya.

The very notion that Mitt has more experience in running the US when Obama has 4 years more than him, and he has absolutely none is a lie. You can make your argument Obama did a bad job. You could have claimed 4 years ago he had no experience. You cannot claim today he has less experience than romney.
I have tro laugh,,, Obama said "he doesnt know who that Mitt Romney was on Wednesday and that if Mitt has all these good ideas why is he hilding all of them?" ... the punchline to unknowing moron Obama is that if Obama had any good ideas we wouldnt be going off a fiscal cliff... Obama is his own punchline... and Im to believe this jr loser senator, who is a proven radical, we see the 2007 tape all over where he might as well be Farakan or Wright speaking.. but Obama hes got the "good ideas"...
no facts back up that he as a clue, yet an idea.. but again Im to believe Mitt Romney who knows more about the economy then Obama knows about Marxism and Alinsky, a man who helped creat Bain ... he has no ideas....its insult to a persons sense of reason

Actually we have seen the effects of obama's policies and leadership. There was the end of the Bush recession. There was the implementation of health care reform that even Mitt says was necessary and good. There was the ending of a pointless war. there was the continued destruction of terrorists and their command. There are improvements in education. there is the advancement of new technology and an attempt to get away from the oil addiction that is hlping to hold down our economy. these are all things that are actually on record for obama on a national scale. Mitten's record in mass is pretty much a failure. After the last debate we have seen Mitt back off every definitive stance he has made. he says he will regulate business, and he will continue obamacare. He has apologized for his secret claims half of america is a failure. he promises not to revoke medicare or social security. Can we believe the man who has spent a long time telling us how he will destroy all of that? Some people do, but others of us don't have a clue what mitt stands for, and even when he offers us the tiniest glimpse we still cannot trust his word.
Obama didnt have a bad night... he got owned... he got punked..Hes a zero... now the DNC is reduced to childish name calling , calling Mitt a "liar"....

Like I said im proud to be GOP..the Dem party has left the building...

He lost that debate, and I am not arguing that fact. Had he been being owned by Mittens we would be saying his campaign is over instead of saying mitt actually might have a small chance now. You have been trying to call the election for mitt the whole time he has been failing. The next debates are trouble for mitt. His domestic policy, what little of it we have seen, was his strong point. This was going to be the easiest debate for him, and even now we see with the latest job reports his claims the US is failing is completely wrong. We are on our way back to levels where we were before bush trashed everything.

there is still another month, and mitt did surprise us. Still it is a long time for the guy who cannot keep from ticking people off to keep from ticking people off. i thought he had done well until i saw the backlash over PBS hit him. It seems even in the best moment of his campaign he still made enemies. not a good sign, but have another straw.
 
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Ohio shocker: GOP closes early voting gap, boosting Romney | WashingtonExaminer.com

the 5 largest counties:

cuyahoga (cleveland): absentees, way down to begin with, have swung from D+36 in 08 to D+30 today

franklin (columbus): -5 to +5 red

hamilton (cincinnati): +7 to +13

summit (akron): -33 to -6

montgomery (dayton): -29 to -5

medium sized counties licking and greene, for example, swung from tied to +16 and -4 to +19 red, respectively

on a separate score, voter registration net is way down across buckeye country

and 44% of the entire state's reg decline is in cuyahoga/cleveland

about 60% of the drop is in cuyahoga and franklin

Drop in Ohio voter registration, especially in Dem strongholds, mirrors nationwide trend | Fox News

numbers speak for themselves

ie, no spin, wynn

Those numbers are new registrations. Given that Obama made a huge registration effort in '08, it isn't surprising that there aren't as many new Dems to sign up. The polls, OTOH, measure likely voters -- not newly registered voteres. That's why the polls are a more reliable touchstone of where the election stands.

Keep graspin' those straws, though!
 
That's why the polls are a more reliable touchstone

gallup and pew are more reliable than actual votes---LOL!

university of dayton poli sci prof larry schweikert and aaa: "the democrats will have to overwhelmingly win all the remaining early voting just to be even on november 6, but given ohio's voting history, if the numbers are even close after early voting, obama will lose, and possibly lose big"

the dummy's down between 6 and 27 points in the five largest counties

Given that Obama made a huge registration effort in '08, it isn't surprising that there aren't as many new Dems to sign up

LOL!

in cuyahoga, there are forty four percent LESS
 
Internals are still wacky - show an increase in support from Democrats, and big increase among Independents, but losing support from Republican base.

A lot of republicans do NOT like him. They are going to hold their nose when or if they vote.
 
Those numbers are new registrations. Given that Obama made a huge registration effort in '08, it isn't surprising that there aren't as many new Dems to sign up. The polls, OTOH, measure likely voters -- not newly registered voteres. That's why the polls are a more reliable touchstone of where the election stands.

Keep graspin' those straws, though!
Obama was never up by 9 or 10 in Ohio. He only won by 4% over John McCain in 2008 when he had everything going for him. If Obama takes Ohio this time, it will be by a slim margin. I would be dubious of any poll showing either man ahead or behind by more than a point or two.
 

OUCH!!!

That's the New Yorker, ffs... A heavily liberal publication... that's read by affluent people in the major cities, who traditionally have voted Democrat... If that's really going to be the cover... that gives me the impression that Mitt Romney's voting trend of getting the affluent suburbs during the primaries may have the effect of negating the Democratic Party's advantage in those areas... that's the demographic that could turn this election... when it gets down to county by county on election night for the electoral college...
 
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