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Romney, What is your plan?

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JPELKEY

If I said "Hey Im going to pay for your bills and give you enough money for a car so go out and get a car" then you asked me how that was possible and i said "dont worry about it" would you go out and get a car? That is the basic idea of what Romany is doing. He promises big but doesn't actually give a layout of how he will do it. I can not and will not vote for someone who will not tell me how he is doing something. Thats just begging for something bad to happen. Another thing, why will Romney not use fact checkers? If i intend to throw out an argument I want it to be true and honest. What Bill Clinton said at the Democratic Convention was inspiring. he told me what was going on with proven numbers. He did not treat me as if i would not understand. As for what Obama is doing, he is doing the best he can with the situation he is in. Trying to do things with a majority republican house is very difficult. Romney looks over the fact that we were in a recession when he attacks Obama over national debit and out of work americans as if it didn't play any factor when it made a huge difference. I hate how Romney says that the economy is not getting better. anyone who listened to Bill Clintons speech knows thats a lie. Now Obama is not a perfect president and he even said so. However someone who will accuse someone of being bad for america, but wants to run america and will not even give me the layout of what he intends to do is not the right person for me. Obama has given me facts, given me a plan of attack, and has shown he can keep a level head through all the stuff he had to go through his first 4 years. Obama has the floor for me, and Romney needs to get his act together before I will even conceder him as a true candidate.
 
JPELKEY said:
If I said "Hey Im going to pay for your bills and give you enough money for a car so go out and get a car" then you asked me how that was possible and i said "dont worry about it" would you go out and get a car? That is the basic idea of what Romany is doing. He promises big but doesn't actually give a layout of how he will do it. I can not and will not vote for someone who will not tell me how he is doing something. Thats just begging for something bad to happen. Another thing, why will Romney not use fact checkers? If i intend to throw out an argument I want it to be true and honest. What Bill Clinton said at the Democratic Convention was inspiring. he told me what was going on with proven numbers. He did not treat me as if i would not understand. As for what Obama is doing, he is doing the best he can with the situation he is in. Trying to do things with a majority republican house is very difficult. Romney looks over the fact that we were in a recession when he attacks Obama over national debit and out of work americans as if it didn't play any factor when it made a huge difference. I hate how Romney says that the economy is not getting better. anyone who listened to Bill Clintons speech knows thats a lie. Now Obama is not a perfect president and he even said so. However someone who will accuse someone of being bad for america, but wants to run america and will not even give me the layout of what he intends to do is not the right person for me. Obama has given me facts, given me a plan of attack, and has shown he can keep a level head through all the stuff he had to go through his first 4 years. Obama has the floor for me, and Romney needs to get his act together before I will even conceder him as a true candidate.
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Thank you for making your first post. I agree we should see both plans for paying off the national debt. I'd be more comfortable with someone who has actually balanced a budget and has paid off a debt.
 
JPELKEY said:
If I said "Hey Im going to pay for your bills and give you enough money for a car so go out and get a car" then you asked me how that was possible and i said "dont worry about it" would you go out and get a car? That is the basic idea of what Romany is doing. He promises big but doesn't actually give a layout of how he will do it. I can not and will not vote for someone who will not tell me how he is doing something. Thats just begging for something bad to happen. Another thing, why will Romney not use fact checkers? If i intend to throw out an argument I want it to be true and honest. What Bill Clinton said at the Democratic Convention was inspiring. he told me what was going on with proven numbers. He did not treat me as if i would not understand. As for what Obama is doing, he is doing the best he can with the situation he is in. Trying to do things with a majority republican house is very difficult. Romney looks over the fact that we were in a recession when he attacks Obama over national debit and out of work americans as if it didn't play any factor when it made a huge difference. I hate how Romney says that the economy is not getting better. anyone who listened to Bill Clintons speech knows thats a lie. Now Obama is not a perfect president and he even said so. However someone who will accuse someone of being bad for america, but wants to run america and will not even give me the layout of what he intends to do is not the right person for me. Obama has given me facts, given me a plan of attack, and has shown he can keep a level head through all the stuff he had to go through his first 4 years. Obama has the floor for me, and Romney needs to get his act together before I will even conceder him as a true candidate.
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This puzzles me - How much information can you absorb about a budget or a tax reform plan?

Did you have anything similar to this during Obama's campaign? Did he ever offer ANYTHING resembling "specifics" in his Health Care promises?

Did you ever question how he could simultaneously promise to add "30 million uninsured" to the health care system while at the same time reducing the cost of the program? This is clearly impossible, but nobody ever made him give "specifics."

It takes congress months and months with countless committees working around the clock to hammer out "specifics" of a budget or a tax proposal or a health care bill. To ask someone to outline those 'specifics' forty minutes in front of a national audience while defending against someone who is peppering you with lies is clearly a fool's errand.

What the Obama camp wants is not "specifics" ==> what they want is an EXAMPLE they can intentionally take out of the context of the entire plan and make more lying ads about. This is what they wanted the "income tax returns" for. They KNOW there is nothing illegal going on in Romney's returns. All they wanted was to scour those data to find ONE piece of data they could extract from the whole to make a lying advertisement about.

Besides, the role of a CEO (POTUS) is to present a clear set of GOALs that he is going to pursue. He oversees the process to ensure those goals are being implemented. The reason a CEO has to be extremely intelligent is that he has to have feasible goals to address the problems at hand = and he must have the clarity of purpose to make sure the activities of the organization are meeting his goals without wasting time and money = and he must have the backbone to rid his organization of unproductive components.

This is what Romney represents - he is a tower of intellect. He is a master of organization. He is a man of extraordinary character and clarity of purpose. He has the courage to make the changes that need to be made for success.

These are all the qualities we seek in a President of the United States.

None of these qualities are present in Obama = the incredible shrinking empty suit.
 
The main plan Romney has is to blame it all on Obama. It worked during the debate.
 
Kingleo702 said:
The main plan Romney has is to blame it all on Obama. It worked during the debate.
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Not true. Pointing out the failure that is the last four years is not blame, it is appropriate in a debate.

For Romney's plan it is all on his website....go read it.
 
j-mac said:
Not true. Pointing out the failure that is the last four years is not blame, it is appropriate in a debate.

For Romney's plan it is all on his website....go read it.
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Yeah, there's not a lot of beef there, either. Similar to Ryan, Romney is big on giving specifics about the good things he claims he would do (drop tax rates 20%, increase military spending, add 12 million jobs) while he fails to address the bad things that seem to follow from his policies (huge deficits and/or higher middle class taxes, destroy Medicare, etc.).
 
Rokkitsci said:
This puzzles me - How much information can you absorb about a budget or a tax reform plan?

Did you have anything similar to this during Obama's campaign? Did he ever offer ANYTHING resembling "specifics" in his Health Care promises?

Did you ever question how he could simultaneously promise to add "30 million uninsured" to the health care system while at the same time reducing the cost of the program? This is clearly impossible, but nobody ever made him give "specifics."

It takes congress months and months with countless committees working around the clock to hammer out "specifics" of a budget or a tax proposal or a health care bill. To ask someone to outline those 'specifics' forty minutes in front of a national audience while defending against someone who is peppering you with lies is clearly a fool's errand.

What the Obama camp wants is not "specifics" ==> what they want is an EXAMPLE they can intentionally take out of the context of the entire plan and make more lying ads about. This is what they wanted the "income tax returns" for. They KNOW there is nothing illegal going on in Romney's returns. All they wanted was to scour those data to find ONE piece of data they could extract from the whole to make a lying advertisement about.

Besides, the role of a CEO (POTUS) is to present a clear set of GOALs that he is going to pursue. He oversees the process to ensure those goals are being implemented. The reason a CEO has to be extremely intelligent is that he has to have feasible goals to address the problems at hand = and he must have the clarity of purpose to make sure the activities of the organization are meeting his goals without wasting time and money = and he must have the backbone to rid his organization of unproductive components.

This is what Romney represents - he is a tower of intellect. He is a master of organization. He is a man of extraordinary character and clarity of purpose. He has the courage to make the changes that need to be made for success.

These are all the qualities we seek in a President of the United States.

None of these qualities are present in Obama = the incredible shrinking empty suit.
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I guess you aren't aware that the pre-AHA per capita cost of health care in the United States is the highest in the world. Probably still is but you have to remember AHA is a compromise brought about by massive lobbying by the medical and insurance establishments in the interest of profits. Single payer plans result in lower costs, the evidence is empirical.
 
Kingleo702 said:
The main plan Romney has is to blame it all on Obama. It worked during the debate.
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Well.... the last four years have been terrible and Obama HAS been the POTUS. Who else is there to blame it on? Oh, wait.... I forgot.... it's all Bush's fault.

Nevermind.
 
The whole 4 years was all Obama's fault. He screwed up everything. Nobody else to blame
 
I'm not a Obama fan but it's getting tiring watching Politicians play the blame game. He does it with President Bush and Romney is doing it with him. If Romney gets in he's going to use the same line, "I'm cleaning up Obama's mess and it's going to take time". Man up, tell the country what you want to do and let the people decide what route to go.
 
Kingleo702 said:
The whole 4 years was all Obama's fault. He screwed up everything. Nobody else to blame
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Really? He's to blame for the wars he didn't start? The 2009 $1.2 trillion deficit he didn't create? The tax cuts he didn't sign? The hundreds of thousands of jobs per month the economy was losing? The shaky state of Medicare and Social Security?

That's realistic. :roll:

The truth is that every president inherits a lot of baggage -- some more than others. Even Romney understands that. When he was governor of MA he said that the press was "silly" for trying to pin his first-year results on him, because it take more than a year for a new executive's policies to take hold.

In a way (very small way) I almost hope that Romney wins so we can watch y'all blame Obama for what goes down on Mitt's watch.
 
Kingleo702 said:
I'm not a Obama fan but it's getting tiring watching Politicians play the blame game. He does it with President Bush and Romney is doing it with him. If Romney gets in he's going to use the same line, "I'm cleaning up Obama's mess and it's going to take time". Man up, tell the country what you want to do and let the people decide what route to go.
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That is exactly what Romney did in the debate. He pointed out the abject failures of the Obama administration and its direct effect on the economy.

Then he set out a clear set of goals for his administration. What else can you expect?

If any of you 'show me the specifics' can link to ANY kind of 'specifics' that Obama presented during HIS campaign - or even any that he has given in the past four years - then someone may pay attention to you.

In fact - and you all know this - it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to present 'specifics' of a budgetary plan for trillion of dollars in 40 minutes.

And the OBJECT of the debate is to present goals, not a sub-committee meeting on honing down the 'numbers' of a trillion dollar budget.

This kind of criticism is complete stupidity.
 
What's the point of a debate if you're only presenting promises you know you don't attend to keep? All I saw during the debate was Romney backpedaling to the center and blaming every single thing wrong with the country on Obama.
 
AdamT said:
In a way (very small way) I almost hope that Romney wins so we can watch y'all blame Obama for what goes down on Mitt's watch.
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I've had this thought as well. I think the President has done a poor job. However, it's dumb to not acknowledge his starting point as much as it's silly to ignore that his results even with that included are less than stellar.

Problem is, if Romney got in, the folks who keep bashing Obama about pinning everything on Bush would have trouble when it really is Obama's fault on some issues. Of course, much of that will be ignored and it will be explained how it is different this time. It will have some entertainment value if it comes to pass.

I'd rather see Johnson, of course. The man wouldn't bother blaming anyone else. He promises a balanced budget in a year. Wouldn't be hard to figure out who's policy was doing what in that case.
 
He touched on this at the debate, but only briefly:

If you create an ultimate goal and then go to the 500+ people in the legislature with those goals and say, "Alright, I propose options A, B, and C to reach this goal. Do you have any other suggestions?", it creates an environment where you can play on the strengths of others, destroy some of the partisan hatred and game playing, and actively involve both sides of the legislature in the debate, which just MIGHT end with less "we passed a bill 232542654234 times in the House, but the Senate hasn't done it once!" nonsense we keep hearing.

Romney claims to have utilized an approach similar to the above when he was governor. Considering he was working with a predominantly democratic legislature and managed to benefit the state through both democrat AND republican ideals and proposals, it would seem that method worked pretty well, IF it's true that he took that approach.

Then again, you can't win unless you can provide details. So regardless of how he hopes to lead, he's probably going to have to put SOMETHING together to satisfy the clamoring from the electorate/the opposition.
 
Kingleo702 said:
What's the point of a debate if you're only presenting promises you know you don't attend to keep? All I saw during the debate was Romney backpedaling to the center and blaming every single thing wrong with the country on Obama.
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Sounds like a great approach to me. Attack the hell out of the President, making him your primary object of ire. Good tactic, people won't know all that much better, and it is somewhat true at least here or there. Move to the base during the primary, hit more of the center during the general campaign. Keeping vague details the primary means of delivering your policy proposals? Yep. Standard tactic here, and mostly a good one. You wouldn't want an actual plan laid out in front of you. You'd want only glimpses at it, which Romney needs to do a better job of.
 
Waaaahooooo! Romney did it! He out bull****ed the President. Whooopyyyy!


It never ceases to amaze me how an hour of political propaganda filled with vague visions, half truths, and lies has such power impact on people who observe events, read articles, blogs, etc.

I've been around a few years. Political Parties, and Government's power has grown substantially. Both have and are willing to go to any length to rally peoples support, which later really turns out to be more of the same that always begets the same results for the voters.

We have serious systemic problems with both parties and government. A lot of folks acknowledge such, but they become like a deer caught in the headlights of an on coming car the second the propaganda brainwashing hits when his or her so-called political rock star hits the stage.

We have about a 1000 people who control over 300 million people. These 1000 people live in a sanctuary called, "Washington DC". Those 1000 have very powerful people who own them.

Perhaps over the last 230 plus years we've all created a monster that we can't rid ourselves of. But the real monster is the belief that the citizens of our country are powerless to be an effective change agent against a political and government system that is self-will-run-riot.
 
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I said in another post Romney is not going to and probably never was going to show us his plan. Its smoke and mirrors. That way he can say whatever he wants and change it later and leave no paper trial. He is under the delusion that this is plausible deniablity even though the amount of audio and video out there is enough to circle the earth a dozen times over.
 
AdamT said:
Really? He's to blame for the wars he didn't start? The 2009 $1.2 trillion deficit he didn't create? The tax cuts he didn't sign? The hundreds of thousands of jobs per month the economy was losing? The shaky state of Medicare and Social Security?

That's realistic. :roll:



The truth is that every president inherits a lot of baggage -- some more than others. Even Romney understands that. When he was governor of MA he said that the press was "silly" for trying to pin his first-year results on him, because it take more than a year for a new executive's policies to take hold.

In a way (very small way) I almost hope that Romney wins so we can watch y'all blame Obama for what goes down on Mitt's watch.
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whats more realistic is how you always foregt Pelosi and Reaid took control in 2006.. but for some reason you never want to discuss that.. I wonder why??

Your posts are pure comedy
 
Kingleo702 said:
The whole 4 years was all Obama's fault. He screwed up everything. Nobody else to blame
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And what planet have you been living on. Certainly not this. Problems like what we have do not just "Pooff" happen they develop over time. AHH lets say from 2002-2008 yeah that sounds about right.

Clinton inherited a much smaller mess and it took him 6 years to get it fixed.

Helllloooooo
 
Rokkitsci said:
That is exactly what Romney did in the debate. He pointed out the abject failures of the Obama administration and its direct effect on the economy.

Then he set out a clear set of goals for his administration. What else can you expect?

If any of you 'show me the specifics' can link to ANY kind of 'specifics' that Obama presented during HIS campaign - or even any that he has given in the past four years - then someone may pay attention to you.

In fact - and you all know this - it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to present 'specifics' of a budgetary plan for trillion of dollars in 40 minutes.

And the OBJECT of the debate is to present goals, not a sub-committee meeting on honing down the 'numbers' of a trillion dollar budget.

This kind of criticism is complete stupidity.
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Um, but there is no problem with posting whatever plan you do have on your campaign site, one has the ability to show specifics down to the last detail.

Romney doesn't do that.
 
Kingleo702 said:
The main plan Romney has is to blame it all on Obama. It worked during the debate.
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Where's your evidence?

Or are you just talking out of your rectum?
 
Kingleo702 said:
What's the point of a debate if you're only presenting promises you know you don't attend to keep? All I saw during the debate was Romney backpedaling to the center and blaming every single thing wrong with the country on Obama.
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Were you asking the same questions during the previous presidential election debates? The challenger ALWAYS presents more in the way of goals, at least the smart and honest ones do. The ones you have to look out for are the ones that promise (like candidate Obama did).

The incumbant has to run on their record as POTUS. We KNOW what happened when their butt hit the chair. The challenger, we never know that beforehand, nor does the challenger himself - that's why the good ones offer goals instead of promises that will most likely be empty.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, but there is no problem with posting whatever plan you do have on your campaign site, one has the ability to show specifics down to the last detail.

Romney doesn't do that.
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Is reading a post something you cannot or will not do?

 
clownboy said:
Were you asking the same questions during the previous presidential election debates? The challenger ALWAYS presents more in the way of goals, at least the smart and honest ones do. The ones you have to look out for are the ones that promise (like candidate Obama did).

The incumbant has to run on their record as POTUS. We KNOW what happened when their butt hit the chair. The challenger, we never know that beforehand, nor does the challenger himself - that's why the good ones offer goals instead of promises that will most likely be empty.
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Quite true.

While Obama was looking @ his watch, Romney was presenting his case in a clear and concise manner.
 
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