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Obama Blasts Mitt Romney's Debate Claims: 'You Owe The American People The Truth'

Deuce said:
They'll just see the URL and assume everything on the page is false.
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A reasonable assumption for that particular arm of the Ministry of Truth.
 
RDS said:
The latest Job Report is something positive and he cooly left out the 7.8%.
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Let's wait a few weeks to see how they adjust the 7.8% number. With this administration, the initial jobs numbers always go down when reviewed and the unemployment numbers go up.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
That teleprompter line is bunk, it's not like those things tell you what to say.
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Just out of curiosity, what do YOU think the teleprompter is for?
 
Obama said "That wasn't the real Mitt Romney".

OK. You got your ass kicked by a fake Mitt Romney then.

And just which not-real Mitt Romney will be showing up at the next debate Obama ?

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wolfman24 said:
The biggest problem with Romney was he just could not let go.
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Laughable. he couldn't let go? Of what? Of Obama's efforts to play his straw man game?

He had to have the last word,
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right. Well since Obama had a whole lot more time for words than Romney did, that seems about appropriate. Of course, the fact Obama said and did nothing other than trying to mischaracterize and then attack Romney's positions, it would majke sense that Romney would want the last word to outline what his actual positions are.

he had to have his way when he was challenged.
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The audacity. To choose to use his time to correct the lies comming out of Obama's mouth about Romney's position.

Main argument the rebuttal and thats it. Man up and learn to take your lumps not whine about them or do the oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah etc. Not professional at all
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Oh yeah. totally unprofessional. Bad form.

All of this remaind me of the parable of the man burried up to his neck awaiting execution in the arena. The lions are let out, they approach, and he quickly bites the first one in the nose. The whole crowd rises with indignation as they shout in unison "FIGHT FAIR".

That's what you are doing. You are pretending Obama is actually being honest about anything (which he is not) and then hurling accusations of fighting unfairly when Romney has the gall to figut back against those bogus claims.

Fight fair, don't respond when Obama builds up another straw man or lies about you or your views or your positions. Fight fair.

If you want a one man debate, with Obama talking by himself about fake positions held by zero of his opponents, go to one of his rallies.
 
wolfman24 said:
Heres how I see it. Romney has no intention of publically showing his "plan" and probably never did. He is going to say whatever he likes on any subject and then a month later change his mind. He is operating on the false delusion of plausible deniability. He is leaving no paper trail to pick up and use against him. When someone says well in a videod speech last month you said this. His answer would probably be "taken out of context" or blame it on the liberal media including Fox. The idea if valid has some merit but there is just too much video and audio other there for this to work effectively.

Fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. A Lincoln
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And Obama's position is?

I mean, other than soak the "rich" to pay for a tiny share of the spending he is proposing and pretending that will fix all of the problems?

Obama has put forward no plan, no vision, no policy.

But the burden apparently is on Romney, not on the failed president to justify why 4 more years wouldn't be more of the same.

Fancy that.
 
wolfman24 said:
I understand this point but people who apply logic would rather eat an apple pie made with real apples than be told its an apple pie and find out too late its poisonberry. Yes? After the fact is too late you cannot impeach someone for note telling you the truth duing the campaign or showing you how they would run the country.

Most thinking people (read logical) would agree that is sound wisdom.
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3 words (or,according to Biden, 4 words): Hope and Change.
 
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Fisher said:
There are arguments that Obama did not do what he promised to do regarding debt and spending. Regardless, the last minute deciding swing voters do have a tendency to be more reactionary than deliberate which is what makes them swing voters.

Edit: Illustration about logic:

We spend $1M on apples for school lunch and I promise to cut out of control apple spending, and am elected. If we spend $1.5M on apples people could say I lied when I said I would cut apple costs or people could say I did what I said because apple costs would have been $3M but for my keeping my promise. It depends on people's assumptions as to what I meant to begin with.
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We see that with, e.g., jobs "saved and created" measured against an imaginary baseline for money thrown into the garbage in the "stimulus".
 
Travis007 said:
Mitt does owe us the truth: Mitt needs to attack Obama as a complete failure, a radical, to show the videos of Obama and Odinga, to go into who Obama really is... to go into who funded his schooling.. to show us how horrible the economy really is, to not allow Obama to run jive and bamboozle us on that he is " regular guy" he is NOT..

Mitt needs to tell us that truth...
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I don't think he does. Obama needs to run a wholly negative campaign ddriven by fear of an extremist Romney, because that is all he has. He has no record and no vision to run on, so that's all that is left.

Romney, on the other hand, does have a positive vision and a compeling story line of executive management and governance to illustrate how to implement that vision. I would stay away from trying to cast Obama as an extremist and just focus on contrasting the failure that has been the Obama adminsitration against the positive story that is Romney's plans and policies.

We can save the college transcripts arguments for the post mortem on the Obama years and for the history books. I'm sure there is a lot to be learned here about why people elected such an unqualified failure with no experience and terribler policy ideas into the WH.
 
RDS said:
What Obama did was size up his opponent during the first debate. Romney will be trashed at the next debate.
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No. Now that he's found he's not a god at the debate thing as he thought he was, he's gone with plan B - one-sided debate in the press after the fact.

He got embarrassed and now his campaign staff is doing a lot of repositioning and doubling down on the character assassination crap to keep folks attention away from Obama's record.
 
clownboy said:
No. Now that he's found he's not a god at the debate thing as he thought he was, he's gone with plan B - one-sided debate in the press after the fact.

He got embarrassed and now his campaign staff is doing a lot of repositioning and doubling down on the character assassination crap to keep folks attention away from Obama's record.
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Very true. If you're into black humor it's almost funny to watch the Obamabots blame the altitude, a touch of the flu, and Machiavelliean cunning for a terribly incompetent performance by The One.
 
Fisher said:
There are arguments that Obama did not do what he promised to do regarding debt and spending. Regardless, the last minute deciding swing voters do have a tendency to be more reactionary than deliberate which is what makes them swing voters.

Edit: Illustration about logic:

We spend $1M on apples for school lunch and I promise to cut out of control apple spending, and am elected. If we spend $1.5M on apples people could say I lied when I said I would cut apple costs or people could say I did what I said because apple costs would have been $3M but for my keeping my promise. It depends on people's assumptions as to what I meant to begin with.
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I understand what you are saying but I don't see the comparison. My point is that if these logical people are trying to make a logical decision they will want all the "facts" ahead of time instead of being led by the nose.

I also realize that most undecideds don't give a crap about being logical or reasonable but will just do what they want.

To damn bad
 
tessaesque said:
TBH, I saw that from both men in almost equal measure.
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Ok thats your opinon I have a different one but this type of thing is like the old psych thing were three people see an accident from the same vantage point and when asked what happened you get 3 different answers to the same event.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
And Obama's position is?

I mean, other than soak the "rich" to pay for a tiny share of the spending he is proposing and pretending that will fix all of the problems?

Obama has put forward no plan, no vision, no policy.

But the burden apparently is on Romney, not on the failed president to justify why 4 more years wouldn't be more of the same.

Fancy that.
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of course it is.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Obama owe's the American people 4 years of the president they thought they were getting... Is this really the strategy you want to go with?
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Some of us are tired of Romney's lies and secrecy. Obama's beliefs have never changed and his policies reflect that. That's why we are the only western nation with unemployment under 8%.
Romney would put us back into recession and we will be losng jobs again.

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iguanaman said:
Some of us are tired of Romney's lies and secrecy. Obama's beliefs have never changed and his policies reflect that. That's why we are the only western nation with unemployment under 8%.
Romney would put us back into recession and we will be losng jobs again.

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That graph is BS. It shows a 9% + increase in the US from the first quarter of '10 to the 2nd Qtr of '12. That did not happen.
 
RDS said:
What Obama did was size up his opponent during the first debate. Romney will be trashed at the next debate.
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Oh, so that's what he was doing. Very clever of him. Such a shame that even his own most fervent supporters didn't see it that way.
 
iguanaman said:
Some of us are tired of Romney's lies and secrecy. Obama's beliefs have never changed and his policies reflect that. That's why we are the only western nation with unemployment under 8%.
Romney would put us back into recession and we will be losng jobs again.

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A link to wherever this graph came from would be nice, don't you think?
 
The debate didn't even touch on the Middle East. Romney will have a field day.

And gas is about to hit $4+ per gallon. I'm sure nobody is noticing (the msm doesn't seem interested in talking about it.)

The debates are going to end up being three ass kickings.
 
Yeah, the foreign policy debate at the very least. If Romney brings his A game again Obama loses another one. He has only his record which consists of sending a SEAL team to kill Bin Laden and handing out cheap-ass DVD box sets to foreign dignitaries. None of relations with foreign nations has improved under his admin. All the promises of candidate Obama are broken regarding foreign policy, and even long-standing allies are holding us at arms length.
 
Erod said:
The debate didn't even touch on the Middle East. Romney will have a field day.

And gas is about to hit $4+ per gallon. I'm sure nobody is noticing (the msm doesn't seem interested in talking about it.)

The debates are going to end up being three ass kickings.
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Well, given that Romney has said that Russia is our No. 1 enemy, and he's concerned Syria is Iran's route to the sea ( :lamo ), and that he has absolutely zero foreign policy experience ... it should be fun!
 
Erod said:
The debate didn't even touch on the Middle East. Romney will have a field day.

And gas is about to hit $4+ per gallon. I'm sure nobody is noticing (the msm doesn't seem interested in talking about it.)
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Weird, oil is dropping and the demand outlook is negative.....and what influence, besides the strategic reserve, does the President have on US gasoline prices?
 
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