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Romney knocked it out of the park . . .

AdamT said:
Don't be ridiculous. Stupid, unsupported insults don't cut a lot of weight.
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I went after him too. But that statement holds some water bro. The guy spends a lot more time with celebrities than any POTUS I can remember. Of course, you are like 80 years old so you have a bigger sample size than I do:2razz:
 
MarineTpartier said:
I went after him too. But that statement holds some water bro. The guy spends a lot more time with celebrities than any POTUS I can remember. Of course, you are like 80 years old so you have a bigger sample size than I do:2razz:
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Yeah, I remember Teddy Roosevelt partyin' down with Chaplin ... those were the days....

WhyIoughta! :D

If I was a better man I wouldn't point out that no president in modern times has taken more vacation days than Reagan and Bush. Between the two of them we could have cut the deficit by renting out the oval office ... for SIX YEARS.
 
It's a good thing Romney pulled up at the end... any more of a beatdown and he'd have been charged with a hate crime.
 
AdamT said:
I've got to hand it to Romney -- he did an excellent job. It was all bull****, of course, but he spun it about as well as he could. :D
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What happened to his 20% tax cut plan???
 
MaggieD said:
I couldn't disagree with you more.

I doubt Romney will win . . . but I thought he did a damned fine job tonight.
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Disagree with what? That the right-wing criticized Obama's stage presence as a bluff when it was applied against McCain, but feel something real is happening when the reverse occurs? Only in worlds where your political beliefs are true by default and no further logic or evidence is required.

Dividing the argument between the logical and the rhetorical, Obama was more successful at the logical, not because his logic was spectacular (by debatepolitics standards it was pretty bland) but because Romney retreated from making logical arguments. As far as I know, his grand plans to restore small government (which he will never do since the federal government is a great resource for Wall Street) consists of libertarian/conservative bullet points and slogans I could have heard anywhere on the Internet.

He just happened to speak them confidently. When Obama tried to draw him into a debate about the merits of policy by exposing the weak stretches of his proposals, he simply stated that his proposals had no such problems, or rather, that Romney himself would never push legislation that could cause problems for key voting demographics in the way Obama's ads keep asserting they will.

Note - Romney didn't try to explain why that was the case anymore than in any other phase of his campaign. He just did his best to assure these demographics that he meant them no harm.
 
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AdamT said:
Not making excuses for Obama, but Romney does have the advantage of not having the most difficult job on the planet in addition to debate prep.
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Looks like Obama spent about as much time on debate prep as he spends on intelligence briefings.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, I remember Teddy Roosevelt partyin' down with Chaplin ... those were the days....

WhyIoughta! :D

If I was a better man I wouldn't point out that no president in modern times has taken more vacation days than Reagan and Bush. Between the two of them we could have cut the deficit by renting out the oval office ... for SIX YEARS.
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Link or it didn't happen.
 
Morality Games said:
Disagree with what? That the right-wing criticized Obama's stage presence as a bluff when it was applied against McCain, but feel something real is happening when the reverse occurs? Only in worlds where your political beliefs are true by default and no further logic or evidence is required.

Dividing the argument between the logical and the rhetorical, Obama was more successful at the logical, not because his logic was spectacular (by debatepolitics standards it was pretty bland) but because Romney retreated from making logical arguments. As far as I know, his grand plans to restore small government (which he will never do since the federal government is a great resource for Wall Street) consists of libertarian/conservative bullet points and slogans I could have heard anywhere on the Internet.

He just happened to speak them confidently.
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I didn't criticize Obama because he "bluffed" with McCain. I personally criticized him then because I thought he came off as patronizing. That's even worse. I don't give a tinker's dam what you think about Romney's debate style/content tonight. It's quite obvious to me that you can't even be honest. What? You gotta' hate the guy for him to lose? He did a great job. Credit where credit is due.
 
Taylor said:
Looks like Obama spent about as much time on debate prep as he spends on intelligence briefings.
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I spit my drink out when I read this. Thanks a lot.
 
Honestly I thought Obama sucked and didn't think Romney would come out that prepared. I thought Romney did okay. He won, but not by a lot. Romney would be fooling himself if he thinks the next debate will be like this one. Obama will not be as flatfooted.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Honestly I thought Obama sucked and didn't think Romney would come out that prepared. I thought Romney did okay. He won, but not by a lot. Romney would be fooling himself if he thinks the next debate will be like this one. Obama will not be as flatfooted.
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Yeah, Gov Romney better be ready for the next debate. Pres Obama might stoop so low that he brings up that gay dude Romney gave a wedgie to in high school
 
Reaction @ MSNBC said it all. Just one debate though. Obama will be much sharper next time. He needs to be, Biden probably won't do him any favors.

"This just wasn't an MSNBC debate tonight, was it?" --Chris Matthews
 
Chris Matthews also said, "Obama was like....is this frickin' thing over yet?" LOL!
 
Taylor said:
Reaction @ MSNBC said it all. Just one debate though. Obama will be much sharper next time. He needs to be, Biden probably won't do him any favors.

"This just wasn't an MSNBC debate tonight, was it?" --Chris Matthews
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Aww man. If we think Gov Romney destroyed Pres Obama, just wait until Rep Ryan gets ahold of Biden. It's gonna be great! lol
 
Josie said:
Chris Matthews also said, "Obama was like....is this frickin' thing over yet?" LOL!
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Yeah, I enjoyed that line as well. It was true though. That's what he looked like. He looked like he was late to celebrate his anniversary with Michelle.
 
AdamT said:
Sure, his doing a five minute segment on the View clearly overshadows the fact that he's running the most powerful country on earth ... while Romney is practicing his zingers on the copy boy.
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I can almost agree with you, it’s a tough job to run the most powerful country on earth …. And in my opinion what this debate highlighted .. Is what a poor job of it he is doing .

I’ve said it before, if Romney can keep the topic on Obama’s record, on the economy, on the debt, and on our unemployment ….. There isn’t really much for Obama to fall back on .. The blame Bush ….. Just doesn’t work any more ..

I know it’s hard for liberals to swallow, but clearly Romney won this debate, and will move up in the polls …. But it’s not the end game, there are more debates, and conservatives, like it or not, better not get over confident … Obama is slick and a good debater and seems to thrive on being the underdog .. …. Romney won this debate .. . But he didn’t win the election ..... He will have to give the same type of performance in every debate and keep on topic as he did tonight. Each debate in my opinion will get harder on both Obama and Romney.
 
soccerboy22 said:
I thought Romney did okay. He won, but not by a lot.
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Its second hand but I heard he won CNN's reaction poll by the greatest margin they've ever had.
 
If you want to know who won, look at the partisan reports. If the favoring reporter discounts your claims, that's not good. For Obama, tonight was bad. Even the Huffington Post called him out:

THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

Debate Fact Check: How Obama, Romney Statements Hold Up
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If the Huffington Post calls out a democrat, you KNOW the D f'd up!
 
Taylor said:
Its second hand but I heard he won CNN's reaction poll by the greatest margin they've ever had.
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Romney 67%
Obama 25%

I'd say that was an obvious smackdown.
 
Moderating was awkward but I give Lehrer two thumbs up for getting out of the way and letting the candidates debate.
 
MaggieD said:
I didn't criticize Obama because he "bluffed" with McCain. I personally criticized him then because I thought he came off as patronizing. That's even worse. I don't give a tinker's dam what you think about Romney's debate style/content tonight. It's quite obvious to me that you can't even be honest. What? You gotta' hate the guy for him to lose? He did a great job. Credit where credit is due.
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Credit for what? For things that I have always and openly despised in American political culture? Now, that would be dishonest.

If I was going to give him credit, it would be for something like Romney stating that his proposals would cause hardships but that these would have to be endured for the greater good of America's future. That would have brought some reality to the situation, even though I don't agree he is putting the hardship on the right people.

I have no obligation to stop making critical arguments because other people are pleased with the improvisational theater of televised debates.
 
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Romney sounded a lot better tonight. Unfortunately for him, most of things he said were outright lies, flip flops, empty platitudes, and vague promises.

For example... if you're going to lower rates and close loopholes... aren't you effectively not cutting taxes? And if it's supposed to be "revenue neutral", doesn't that mean that you're just continuing what's going on already?

Romney put on a good show, but he won't look as good once the fact checkers get done with him.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, I remember Teddy Roosevelt partyin' down with Chaplin ... those were the days....

WhyIoughta! :D

If I was a better man I wouldn't point out that no president in modern times has taken more vacation days than Reagan and Bush. Between the two of them we could have cut the deficit by renting out the oval office ... for SIX YEARS.
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Are you counting Obama’s 100 rounds of golf as vacation days ??? If you add those days to his 61 vacation days …it gets up there. hard telling how many pic up basketball games he had .. Or how many days he spend preparing for late night talk shows …. He’s been so busy that he has miss what …. Nearly half of his PDBs?
 
Paschendale said:
Romney sounded a lot better tonight. Unfortunately for him, most of things he said were outright lies, flip flops, empty platitudes, and vague promises.

For example... if you're going to lower rates and close loopholes... aren't you effectively not cutting taxes? And if it's supposed to be "revenue neutral", doesn't that mean that you're just continuing what's going on already?
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Not really. Russia cut rates and eliminated tax breaks. The result was higher tax revenue from higher wages and a booming economy. They did a bunch of other stuff too, so you can't say that just the tax cuts helped. They also instituted austerity measures, decentralized banks and other businesses, deregulated a whole host of industries and eliminated cost controls.
 
Honestly, I don't see how Romney won this debate. If you're looking at style points and Romney seemed more energetic, then maybe, but on almost every point I thought the president won. The president called Romney out on his tax plan, how he wanted to cut taxes and increase military spending, and expects to cover 5 trillion somehow by cutting loopholes. 'The math just doesn't add up'. On medicare, Romney was called out on the voucher system, but repeatedly tries to say that it won't affect current medicare recipients. President responds saying if you're 55 or 54 listen up because it may affect you. Romney was being vague on how to solve the deficit, president says balanced approach is the best, Romney called out on rejecting 10 to 1 spending cuts.

The few good points Romney had were on energy, how 90 billion could have been spent on education instead of energy, and also the keystone pipeline and developing energy at home. Other than that I think the President had a good response for everything and I think he won based on what they said instead of how they looked or acted in front of the camera.
 
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