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The Rumble of On Coming Wheels…

Kurmugeon said:
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I hear the oncoming rumble of long prophesized wheels of destruction!​







And So, the Independent Voter questions: Umm..... What’s a bourgeoisie?




And the Libertarians/TEA Party answers: In terms of 2012 America, it means the small business man and entrepreneur.

Bourgeoisie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Oooookaaaay... Why would Vladimir Lenin want to destroy them?

I mean, isn’t the whole Communist Revolution thing about taking power and money from the Elites and giving to the poor and middle class?




No! That is NOT what Socialism / Communism is really about.

Beyond the glowing speeches at political rabble rallies, in practical and historical terms, the left has always been about displacing the current set of ELITES controlling and enjoying the wealth produced by others with a NEW set of ELITES who obtain that position not by building a corporation or entrepreneurship, but by radical, populist revolution.


And the prosperity and wealth Provided to and/or Shared with the Poor and Labor classes by the Bourgeoisie keeps conditions pleasant enough for most of society, that REVOLUTION ("Transformation" *Sic) and the subsequent change out of the ELITE isn’t possible.



Don’t believe me? Go read it from Saul Alinsky, Francis Piven, and Richard Cloward in their own words:


Rules for Radicals
Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Cloward-Piven Strategy
Cloward
Frances Fox Piven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Richard Cloward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia








Look carefully at their actions and how they have deliberately triggered these economic problems and made sure to make the most of the middle class suffering from it.


The Economic Disaster is DELIBERATE!


The Left NEEDS things to get so bad, that the people rise up in revolt. That is their only path to replacing the Current ELITES with Themselves.


The Far Lefties cannot get what they're really after while the middle class is providing a shared wealth, happiness and prosperity with the lower class, labor class, illegal immigrants and poor. They NEED those elements to suffer enough to go into open rebellion.


So the middle class of America is squarely in their way, which means they have to be destroyed.


That is EXACTLY what Lenin was saying!



This is a very old problem for the lefties, and one they know how to solve, Inflation and Taxes!​


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Who doesn't know what the bourgeoisie is? Romney is the definition. From what I read you have no idea what "left" means.
 
shiang said:
Who doesn't know what the bourgeoisie is? Romney is the definition.
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Wrong! No, he is NOT!


The guy who owns a plumbing and heating shoppe with 12 employees is a bourgeoisie, Romney is a Capitalist ELITE.
 
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Well, I'm a pensioner (I think) and yeah, I'm pissed off about these bizarre interest rates. What I see is billions of dollars moving from the FED to the treasury to the banks to the FED, with a few people knocking off tiny commissions as the money circles around accomplishing nothing while enriching the few. Why would they pay us interest when they get free money AND commissions?

It's forced me to get off my lazy ass and do something about it. I've had to buy houses and rent them out just to get the same return as a CD would have gotten me before Bush and Obusha came to town, riding on their ponies. I'll point out that by forcing the pensioner class back to work, you're just creating competition for you ypunger guys on your way up..

Better watch out. Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill. Just saying....:)
 
Kurmugeon said:
Wrong! No, he is NOT!


The guy who owns a plubming and heating shoppe with 12 employee is a bourgeoisie, Romney is a Capitalist ELITE.
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Pardon me, you're right Romney doesn't make anything.
 
specklebang said:
Well, I'm a pensioner (I think) and yeah, I'm pissed off about these bizarre interest rates. What I see is billions of dollars moving from the FED to the treasury to the banks to the FED, with a few people knocking off tiny commissions as the money circles around accomplishing nothing while enriching the few. Why would they pay us interest when they get free money AND commissions?

It's forced me to get off my lazy ass and do something about it. I've had to buy houses and rent them out just to get the same return as a CD would have gotten me before Bush and Obusha came to town, riding on their ponies. I'll point out that by forcing the pensioner class back to work, you're just creating competition for you ypunger guys on your way up..

Better watch out. Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill. Just saying....:)
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Meh...


So, you're just another one of the many Cloward-Piven Strategy Liberial Profiteers...


Let me guess, most of the properties you've bought are "Fast Track Robo Repos"?


Your class/type of Government Fraud and Abuse is fairly typical and common among Liberals.


Ever read Dante’s Inferno?


Or maybe more appropriately, Niven and Pournelle’s Inferno...
 
Hairytic said:
The problem with your theory is, Obama isn't a socialist. He is moderate. He attempted to compromise with the GOP to the point of making the far left angry at him. Nothing in Obama's record shows him to be a socialist or a communist.
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President Obama skipped the honest phase of the Collectivist cycle, where the political elite honestly TRY to implement the Marxist/collectivist ideals to create a utopia.


Instead President Obama fast forwarded straight to the Corrupt, Party Elite Serving, Ethnic National Statist Kleptocracy.
 
shiang said:
Pardon me, you're right Romney doesn't make anything.
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Romney was a Corporate Executive that made DECISIONS.


Based on those Decisions, the companies he worked for stood to make or loose Billions.
 
WTF are you talking about?
What is a fast track robo-repo?
How does any of this make me liberal?
Why would you accuse me of fraud and abuse?

There's a fine line between curmudgeonry and assholism.

Kurmugeon said:
Meh...


So, you're just another one of the many Cloward-Piven Strategy Liberial Profiteers...


Let me guess, most of the properties you've bought are "Fast Track Robo Repos"?


Your class/type of Government Fraud and Abuse is fairly typical and common among Liberals.


Ever read Dante’s Inferno?


Or maybe more appropriately, Niven and Pournelle’s Inferno...
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Hairytic said:
The problem with your theory is, Obama isn't a socialist. He is moderate. He attempted to compromise with the GOP to the point of making the far left angry at him. Nothing in Obama's record shows him to be a socialist or a communist.
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Go see "2016: Obama's America" then get back to us. I dare you. D'Souza clearly explains Obama's association with Frank David Marshall (known only as "Frank" in "Dreams of My Father") in his formative years. Marshall was a card carrying communist (D'Souza shows us the card and communist ID number) investigated by the FBI as a communist sympithizer during the cold war. It is not likely that anyone who came out and said, "I am a Socialist and I would like to be your President" would actually be elected. D'Souza is objective and actually notes that Obama returned to Hawaii, the place of his birth and it was reported in "two local papers at the time." D'Souza's last line in the movie is: " LOVE HIM. HATE HIM. NOW YOU KNOW HIM." If you truly think he is a moderate, you do not know him.
 
Kurmugeon said:
President Obama skipped the honest phase of the Collectivist cycle, where the political elite honestly TRY to implement the Marxist/collectivist ideals to create a utopia.


Instead President Obama fast forwarded straight to the Corrupt, Party Elite Serving, Ethnic National Statist Kleptocracy.
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I understand that you have some anger issues and you feel life has treated you unfairly. However, Obama isn't communist or socialist and our society isn't pitted against the white man. There is no movement within the Democratic party to move his country to the far left. Most democats are moderates. When you look at Obama's voting record while in congress and his record as president, it shows you that he is a moderate, not a far left socialist.
 
Hairytic said:
I understand that you have some anger issues and you feel life has treated you unfairly. However, Obama isn't communist or socialist and our society isn't pitted against the white man. There is no movement within the Democratic party to move his country to the far left. Most democats are moderates. When you look at Obama's voting record while in congress and his record as president, it shows you that he is a moderate, not a far left socialist.
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Yeah... Yeah....


And did you know that the Word "Gullible" isn't really a word, ... why it is not even in the dictionary!
 
RenoCon said:
Go see "2016: Obama's America" then get back to us. I dare you. D'Souza clearly explains Obama's association with Frank David Marshall (known only as "Frank" in "Dreams of My Father") in his formative years. Marshall was a card carrying communist (D'Souza shows us the card and communist ID number) investigated by the FBI as a communist sympithizer during the cold war. It is not likely that anyone who came out and said, "I am a Socialist and I would like to be your President" would actually be elected. D'Souza is objective and actually notes that Obama returned to Hawaii, the place of his birth and it was reported in "two local papers at the time." D'Souza's last line in the movie is: " LOVE HIM. HATE HIM. NOW YOU KNOW HIM." If you truly think he is a moderate, you do not know him.
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I don't take political documentries seriously. There are far left wing documentries that claim Bush was the one who organized the 9-11 attacks. I didn't believe them either. I don't think this documentry is accurate. It is a form of propaganda designed to sway opinoins to the right. Do your own research. Also, back when Frank Mashall was bing accused of being a communist, anyone who didn't fall in line with the right wing ideas was being accused of being a communist. If he was communist, it was a much different time back then. My parents had friends that were communists. I grew up around them and my parents didn't always agree with thier ideas, but they were not people who were a threat to this country. They just had a different ideology than conservatives back then. Some of them changed as they grew older. Their children didn't grow up to become communists either. The cold war is over. It's time to stop being afraid of socialists, communists and the like. We live in a capitalist/socialist nation. Some people would like more capitalism and some would like moe socialism. That doesn't mean one side is out to destroy this country and the other side is out to save it.
 
Hairytic said:
I don't take political documentries seriously. There are far left wing documentries that claim Bush was the one who organized the 9-11 attacks. I didn't believe them either. I don't think this documentry is accurate. It is a form of propaganda designed to sway opinoins to the right. Do your own research. Also, back when Frank Mashall was bing accused of being a communist, anyone who didn't fall in line with the right wing ideas was being accused of being a communist. If he was communist, it was a much different time back then. My parents had friends that were communists. I grew up around them and my parents didn't always agree with thier ideas, but they were not people who were a threat to this country. They just had a different ideology than conservatives back then. Some of them changed as they grew older. Their children didn't grow up to become communists either. The cold war is over. It's time to stop being afraid of socialists, communists and the like. We live in a capitalist/socialist nation. Some people would like more capitalism and some would like moe socialism. That doesn't mean one side is out to destroy this country and the other side is out to save it.
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I appreciate your thoughtful response. Have you seen "2016" ? I read "Dreams..." just to see if I missed something. And I hate autobiographies.

This country has done fairly well as a democratic republic with capitalist ideals for 240 years. I see it drifting in the direction of Greece and France. I won't see that in my lifetime, hopefully, but my children will be the first generation that will not have the opportunities that the prior generation of Americans had. That is sad.
 
RenoCon said:
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Have you seen "2016" ? I read "Dreams..." just to see if I missed something. And I hate autobiographies.

This country has done fairly well as a democratic republic with capitalist ideals for 240 years. I see it drifting in the direction of Greece and France. I won't see that in my lifetime, hopefully, but my children will be the first generation that will not have the opportunities that the prior generation of Americans had. That is sad.
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In what ways do you see this country drifting in the direction of Greece and France? Can you give some specifics? I don't see a lot of simularities with the US and Greece and France.
 
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