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Three Reasons to Vote for President Obama [W:50]

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Rosie1 said:
Call SS and Medicare what you like. SS was funded until 2033. That's hardly $0. Social Security and Medicare Could Run Out Sooner Than Expected - ABC News. SS should be fixed for the future, but also guarantee that those who have paid into it their whole lives, get their funds.
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"Funded untli (x)" and "$0 in the trust fund" are different things.
You don't want wall street to get its hands on the SSTF, but say nothing about Congress. Why?

And, again:
Certainly, you recognize the problem with spending money without regard to revenue...?

That's your opinion.
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No, that's fact. You only need look at Europe for a glimpse at the effect of out-of-control debt/spending.
 
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TurtleDude said:
you support taxes on dividend income going from 35%=15% to 35% +43%?
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Incorrect math. Corporate taxes differ from personal. Corporate effective rates, if they were the same as personal taxes with the same types of deductions, would be closer to 5%. Also, you don't add the two together since you'd only be taxed 15% of the remaining 35%.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I think Michelle Obunny bays at the moon. BTW what causes one to be "very liberal" what issues cause this
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go ahead and vote for the guy that can't even tell the difference if his wife is a man and woman.
 
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Vallista said:
go ahead and vote for the guy that can't even tell the difference if his wife is a man and woman.
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anybody want to take a stab at this?...can anyone figure it out?
 
I am not seeing a whole lot of posting based on what the op suggested or even comments on the posts structured in the way the op asked, aren't there enough "Obama sucks" threads can we have at least some legitimate discussion?
 
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shiang said:
Demonstrations in ME are against a bigotry film not against Obama?
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If you think those protests are simply for a film, you may need to look deeper into the issue.
 
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Vallista said:
go ahead and vote for the guy that can't even tell the difference if his wife is a man and woman.
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Hey bro, do us all a favor and beat it. You immediately defiled the thread with a stupid comment as soon as I started it. Now, 50+ posts later, you're still here doing it. In addition, your comments A) Make on sense B) Are not backed with any evidence as instructed in the OP and C) Are inflammatory in general. Post a coherent thought or find another thread to haunt. We'd all appreciate it.
 
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Rosie1 said:
2) The economy is improving. I'm very glad Obama helped the auto industry recover. That's a success. He, whom we aren't allowed to name, would have let it fail. Yes, the tax cuts need to be gone. You can't run a country on less and less revenue. And, yes, a lot of other government cuts need to happen also.
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I won't challenge the rest of your post for the simple reason that they are beliefs that are more ideological than logical. No good debate ever stems from beliefs such as those IMO.
On the auto industry, I believe our gov't did a vast injustice to GMC/Chrysler's competing companies. Especially Ford. The entire point of the free market is to beat your competition into submission. If the Chevy and Chrysler had been allowed to fail a few things would have happened. A) It would have made them improve their business model to remain competitive, B) Many (not all) of their employees would have moved to Ford, Toyota, or any other auto manufacturer, C) The rest of the auto industry would have been rewarded for their hard work by filling the gap left in the market by GMC/Chrysler. That's how the free market is supposed to work. What our gov't did was the equivalent of giving a failing student in high school free points in order to pass while another kid studies and struggles to get the same with no help. I understand that there are families that would have suffered. That's why I say many would have moved on to another auto maker or stayed around for the post bankruptcy GM/Chrysler. I hate to say this, but things like this are why our gov't provides welfare and umemployment. We need to pick which safety net we want. The safety net for individuals or the safety net for businesses. We can't afford both. Personally, I'd rather have the safety nets for individuals.
 
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H. Lee White said:
Bugging you? You took exception to my "that's all you got" comment, and have yet to show that you have more.

Now, you can do one of two things:
1: List those other, better, reasons to vote for Obama
2: Do not.

At this point, its prettly clear you're trying to avoid 1 becuse you know you'll only strengthen my point.
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So, are you going to make a thread? Or at least PM me?
 
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H. Lee White said:
I really don't care of you have more reasons or not, and welcoming you to list those additional reaosns is not a request to supply those reasons.

Fact of the matter is, none of your reasons have anything to do His with promises of hope and change, deliverance from the policies of GWB, ending tax cuts for the rich, decifit reduction, improving unemployment, and creating economic growth - and so, thus far, one can only assume that you agree He has failed at all of these things and have had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a reason to support Him.

So, if you have something other than the milktoast prattle you originally responded with and you have the fortitutde to post it, be my guest -- otherwise, the facts of the matter speak for themselves.
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Hello there,

This is my very first post on this forum! I'm very excited and looking forward to reading some thoughtful posts here on all sides of the political spectrum.

I hope I don't embarass myself with my first post because I wanted to ask a question and confess I have not read further than this page to see if it was already asked and answered; a fault of mine for sure. But, I chose this post to highlight because it intrigued me why a conservative would talk of Obama and capitalize pronouns and possessive pronouns - He, His, Him as though he were a God? Is it satire?

Cheers.
 
Apparently not. The same thing (in reverse) happened to my thread. There are just too many hyper-partisan, immature and rude people to allow any kind of dignified discussion. It's just depressing.

That being said, I'm just going to say one thing about Obama.

We already know pretty much what Obama's strategies are. While I may be greatly influenced by tonights debate ((anybody know what time it is PST and where I can watch it on the internet???)) as of this moment, I can't vote for either of them.

• Among my most beloved friends are a male couple, a female couple and a transgendered single. I've known them for many years and have observed their dedication to their careers, their fellow humans and each other. I want them to have equal rights to those that I have, such as marriage, and I'm fairly confident that Obama will be friendlier to this than the other party. Is that alone enough to justify my vote? I really don't know.




hikari said:
I am not seeing a whole lot of posting based on what the op suggested or even comments on the posts structured in the way the op asked, aren't there enough "Obama sucks" threads can we have at least some legitimate discussion?
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Re: Three Reasons to Vote for President Obama

MarineTpartier said:
I won't challenge the rest of your post for the simple reason that they are beliefs that are more ideological than logical. No good debate ever stems from beliefs such as those IMO.
On the auto industry, I believe our gov't did a vast injustice to GMC/Chrysler's competing companies. Especially Ford. The entire point of the free market is to beat your competition into submission. If the Chevy and Chrysler had been allowed to fail a few things would have happened. A) It would have made them improve their business model to remain competitive, B) Many (not all) of their employees would have moved to Ford, Toyota, or any other auto manufacturer, C) The rest of the auto industry would have been rewarded for their hard work by filling the gap left in the market by GMC/Chrysler. That's how the free market is supposed to work. What our gov't did was the equivalent of giving a failing student in high school free points in order to pass while another kid studies and struggles to get the same with no help. I understand that there are families that would have suffered. That's why I say many would have moved on to another auto maker or stayed around for the post bankruptcy GM/Chrysler. I hate to say this, but things like this are why our gov't provides welfare and umemployment. We need to pick which safety net we want. The safety net for individuals or the safety net for businesses. We can't afford both. Personally, I'd rather have the safety nets for individuals.
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That is wrong on so many levels. First, you seem to assume that GM and Chrysler would have survived without the bailout (improved their business model). That was never going to happen. They'd have been liquidated and gone down the dusty road of history with the likes of Packard and Edsel.

Second, the bailouts did allow them to improve their business models, tremendously. They consolidated brands, cut the fat out of their bloated dealership networks, got substantially new management, and most importantly, got the anchor of legacy healthcare and pension obligations off their books. As a result, they have both been profitable ever since.

Third, if GM and Chrysler had gone down it would bankrupted many businesses in the auto supply chain which in turn would have damaged Ford and other US based manufacturers tremendously. That's why Ford lobbied for the bailout of two of its biggest competitors.

And finally, those million-plus workers who lost their jobs weren't going to be snapped up by other firms. This was happening at the depths of the recession when all the companies were laying off and furloughing their existing workers. On top of that, the shock of losing GM and Chrysler would have done untold damage to financial markets. I would imagine that it would have been as bad or worse than the fallout from Lehman.
 
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Vallista said:
go ahead and vote for the guy that can't even tell the difference if his wife is a man and woman.
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wow, in a cesspool of silly posts that is the bottom of the sludge barrel
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
So, are you going to make a thread? Or at least PM me?
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Nope - its its prettly clear you're trying to avoid giving any additional reasons becuse you know you'll only strengthen my point.
 
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THFC said:
Hello there,

This is my very first post on this forum! I'm very excited and looking forward to reading some thoughtful posts here on all sides of the political spectrum.

I hope I don't embarass myself with my first post because I wanted to ask a question and confess I have not read further than this page to see if it was already asked and answered; a fault of mine for sure. But, I chose this post to highlight because it intrigued me why a conservative would talk of Obama and capitalize pronouns and possessive pronouns - He, His, Him as though he were a God? Is it satire?

Cheers.
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The Obama ran as the Secular Messiah, He who would deliver us from the evils of the Bush Administration and deliver us to the Primised Land.
I am, therefore, showing Him all due respect.
 
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H. Lee White said:
Nope - its its prettly clear you're trying to avoid giving any additional reasons becuse you know you'll only strengthen my point.
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The only point you make is that you're afraid of creating a thread.

Go on, it's not too hard.
 
Since I created this thread, I want to propose a small change. Can we all agree one reason that CANNOT be listed as a reason to vote for President Obama is because he's a good debator?:2razz:
 
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This thread made me sad :(. I was really looking forward to some substance like we had in the Romney thread but it immediately got trolled into oblivion :(. Sorry guys, would have been nice. Good idea at least.
 
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KopeAcetic said:
This thread made me sad :(. I was really looking forward to some substance like we had in the Romney thread but it immediately got trolled into oblivion :(. Sorry guys, would have been nice. Good idea at least.
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LOL. I've asked this a couple times on different threads and have never gotten any sort of specific detail as an answer from any one of the Obama is the Greatest crowd. It is always arguing about the past or partisan junk. I at least learned that Obama wants to fund a bunch of new math and science teachers in the debate but beyond that I have no idea of what else he might propose doing other than Not be Mitt, Not be Bush, Not be a Republican, Not be Reagan, Not be Clinton, Not be Kenyan, etc. I am not even sure if he wants to kill off Big Bird like Gov. Romney does. :duel
 
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Fisher said:
LOL. I've asked this a couple times on different threads and have never gotten any sort of specific detail as an answer from any one of the Obama is the Greatest crowd. It is always arguing about the past or partisan junk. I at least learned that Obama wants to fund a bunch of new math and science teachers in the debate but beyond that I have no idea of what else he might propose doing other than Not be Mitt, Not be Bush, Not be a Republican, Not be Reagan, Not be Clinton, Not be Kenyan, etc. I am not even sure if he wants to kill off Big Bird like Gov. Romney does. :duel
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That's actually kinda the same reason I wanted to see this thread move forward as well. I'm honestly not sure what Obama is presenting other than (like you said) "I'm not Mitt."

He does have a few things like being able to be respectful overseas while Mitt seemed to just piss off any country he went to, but other than "I won't piss people off.." what does he stand for?

Obamacare sure...but Mitt basically stands for the same thing but can't say it because his base hates it.
 
Hairytic said:
3. He ended DADT honoring our gay soldiers who risk their lives in service of this country.
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Agreed. I just have one issue with it though. And a lot of people don't know this. We (military members) were asked to participate in a survey. This thing was DOD wide, to all members, no matter the gender/race/duty station/active/reserve, whatever. So, we begin delving into this thing, getting our guys taking it and lo and behold I turn the news on and it's repealed! So, the survey was merely a ploy to make it look like, to the public, that our opinion (servicemembers) was being taken into consideration. Look, I don't believe our opinion matters. We do what we're told, to an extent. This order violates nothing that would make it unlawful. So just tell me homosexuals are going to serve. Don't pander to us. Don't patronize us. If they were going to do it, the should have just done it. Now, its the same thing with women in combat mos's. And they wonder why none of us are taking that survey lol.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Agreed. I just have one issue with it though. And a lot of people don't know this. We (military members) were asked to participate in a survey. This thing was DOD wide, to all members, no matter the gender/race/duty station/active/reserve, whatever. So, we begin delving into this thing, getting our guys taking it and lo and behold I turn the news on and it's repealed! So, the survey was merely a ploy to make it look like, to the public, that our opinion (servicemembers) was being taken into consideration. Look, I don't believe our opinion matters. We do what we're told, to an extent. This order violates nothing that would make it unlawful. So just tell me homosexuals are going to serve. Don't pander to us. Don't patronize us. If they were going to do it, the should have just done it. Now, its the same thing with women in combat mos's. And they wonder why none of us are taking that survey lol.
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That's the military for you. I was an Army brat and my son was/is a Marine. As he puts it, once a Marine always a Marine. Thank you for your service.
 
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