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Grassley, Ayotte want answers on OMB promise to cover defense layoff costs

Obviously, you're 100% closed to the idea of any Obama wrongdoing, period. :shrug: Not much reason to bother with you further, I guess.

No, I just don't look at every news story as something to turn into an Obama scandal. If Obama breaks the law, then that will come out in time. But, for now there is no sign of law breaking or wrong doing.
 
we have listed for you four in which he (or his administration, at his direction) has. simply doing the see-no-evil thing and going "nuh-uh!" isn't really that effective of a debate strategy.

Obama was well within his authority to act as he did. He also hasn't done anything other presidents did in the past.
 
Pffff. All you've been able to say to all the substantive things I've posted is "nuh-uh." You're not even competent to be HAVING this discussion, let alone determining what's "true."

So yeah. For you, there's no possibility that Obama could ever have done anything wrong. Cling to that if it makes you feel better.

I never said there is no possibility that Obama did anything wrong. However, I have been watching this witch hunt for 4 years now. Every story has an "Obama broke the law, isn't American, is a Muslim, blah blah blah" spin to it. Nothing every comes of these spins. No evidence shows up to prove Obama broke the law or over stepped his bounds.
Frankly, its way past being old and it makes the GOP look more and more desperate.
 
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Ah, another excuser. Noted.
 
Yes, I often view posts as opinions, not facts. I see it very differently than you do. But that's cool.

Yeah, well, I posted fact, not opinion. Your calling it opinion doesn't make it so.
 
you know, once upon a time liberals were really incensed about the the idea of the President ignoring the War Powers Act.



guess it turns out that they are really only incensed about other people having power.

Yes. It's amazing what a (D) forgives.
 
Obama was well within his authority to act as he did. He also hasn't done anything other presidents did in the past.

Really? Which presidents, and when? Specifics.
 
I never said there is no possibility that Obama did anything wrong.

Sure, you didn't SAY it; you just steadfastly "nuh-uh!!" everything which is presented.
 
Another story GOP is trying to beef up to sound like a scandal. It only shows how desperate the GOP is getting. It makes the whole party look weak and scared.

The OMB is part of the Obama administration and what the OMB is asking these business to do is violate federal Labor laws.
 
Obama was well within his authority to act as he did. He also hasn't done anything other presidents did in the past.

No. Obama does not have any authority to break federal law.
 
Obama was well within his authority to act as he did. He also hasn't done anything other presidents did in the past.

That is incorrect. Let us zero in on the single example of the welfare reform act. (Oh, it occurs to me, when the President took over GM and screwed over the bondholders, he has no legal authority to do that, and it overturned two centuries of legal precedent when he did so).

Now, Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C. 1315 (the Social Security Law) allows the administration to waive requirements with the "specified parts of various laws", so long as those portions are listed in Section 1115. It is explicitly against the law for the administration to waive requirements in statutory law that are not listed in Section 1115, or described inside the legislation itself as waiverable. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) has one section that was added to Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C. 1315, section 402, which addresses the formats with which States must report compliance with the rest of the Act. Section 407 of the PRWORA deals with the work requirements. Not only does the legislation explicitly not describe anything within it as waiverable, it strips it out of Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C 1315 in order to keep it ever from becoming so. The Obama administrations' waivering of section 407 of the PRWORA is therefore in violation of both that law and 42 U.S.C. 1315.


This is not opinion - this is the law. My opinion is that the administration simply made the bet that nobody cares and that no one will be able to demonstrate standing in time to put a stay in prior to reaping the electoral benefits.
 
Yeah, well, I posted fact, not opinion. Your calling it opinion doesn't make it so.

You posted fact with opinion. The facts do not show Obama did anything wrong or breaking any laws.
 
You posted fact with opinion. The facts do not show Obama did anything wrong or breaking any laws.

I told you EXACTLY what he did wrong; this is another "nuh-uh!!!!"
 
It's not breaking the law because right now the layoffs are non-specific and hypothetical. Who do you send a pink slip to when the exact areas cut haven't been decided?

Then, why did Obama cut a deal with the contractors?

It's bad enough they're breaking the law, but they're going to use our tax dollars to do it.
 
(Oh, it occurs to me, when the President took over GM and screwed over the bondholders, he has no legal authority to do that, and it overturned two centuries of legal precedent when he did so).

Also correct; he bypassed bankruptcy law, which the President has absolutely no authority to do.
 
Really? Which presidents, and when? Specifics.

For one example, Obama used executive order to set policy on imagration enorcement. The right started saying Obama did something wrong. Using executive orger is within the authority of the POTUS when setting policies. Obama is a president that has used it the least in my life time.
 
Sure, you didn't SAY it; you just steadfastly "nuh-uh!!" everything which is presented.

You are making accusations that Obama has done something wrong or broke a law in some way when there is no evidence to support your accusation.
 
For one example, Obama used executive order to set policy on imagration enorcement. The right started saying Obama did something wrong. Using executive orger is within the authority of the POTUS when setting policies. Obama is a president that has used it the least in my life time.

Obama utilized an Executive Order to order the Executive Branch of government not to enforce the law. That is indeed a violation of their mandated duty. EO's do not have the ability to overturn statutory law.


For a quick mirror image, imagine your reaction in February 2013 when President Romney issues an Executive Order announcing that the IRS will no longer be collecting Capital Gains taxes.
 
For one example, Obama used executive order to set policy on imagration enorcement. The right started saying Obama did something wrong. Using executive orger is within the authority of the POTUS when setting policies. Obama is a president that has used it the least in my life time.

OK, first of all, the President doesn't have the authority to issue an Executive Order to do whatever willy-nilly thing he likes. He can't use it to rewrite the law against the express wishes of Congress, and that's what he did.

So just saying other Presidents use Executive orders doesn't come anywhere near to cutting it.

And you're wrong about his numbers anyway:

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index
 
The OMB is part of the Obama administration and what the OMB is asking these business to do is violate federal Labor laws.

What Federal Labor law is being violated? The cuts these corporations will need to make if a deal isn't made before the automatice cuts go through will be done well after January. The OMB simply said it is too early to be sending out pink slips now because the cuts won't even take place until well after January. There are no laws being broken here. It is a non story.
 
You are making accusations that Obama has done something wrong or broke a law in some way when there is no evidence to support your accusation.

And another "nuh-uhh!!!!" I told you what he did, with specifics. Your answer? "Nuh-uhh!!!!"

Seems to be the only thing you're able to muster.
 
That is incorrect. Let us zero in on the single example of the welfare reform act. (Oh, it occurs to me, when the President took over GM and screwed over the bondholders, he has no legal authority to do that, and it overturned two centuries of legal precedent when he did so).

Now, Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C. 1315 (the Social Security Law) allows the administration to waive requirements with the "specified parts of various laws", so long as those portions are listed in Section 1115. It is explicitly against the law for the administration to waive requirements in statutory law that are not listed in Section 1115, or described inside the legislation itself as waiverable. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) has one section that was added to Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C. 1315, section 402, which addresses the formats with which States must report compliance with the rest of the Act. Section 407 of the PRWORA deals with the work requirements. Not only does the legislation explicitly not describe anything within it as waiverable, it strips it out of Section 1115 of 42 U.S.C 1315 in order to keep it ever from becoming so. The Obama administrations' waivering of section 407 of the PRWORA is therefore in violation of both that law and 42 U.S.C. 1315.


This is not opinion - this is the law. My opinion is that the administration simply made the bet that nobody cares and that no one will be able to demonstrate standing in time to put a stay in prior to reaping the electoral benefits.

I assume you are talking about the welfare to work thing. Obama didn't do away with welfare to work. He simply gave the states more power over the program.
Despite Fact Checks, Romney Escalates Welfare Work Requirement Charge : It's All Politics : NPR
Even a Republican architect of the law, Ron Haskins, told NPR: "There's no plausible scenario under which it really constitutes a serious attack on welfare reform."
 
Obama utilized an Executive Order to order the Executive Branch of government not to enforce the law. That is indeed a violation of their mandated duty. EO's do not have the ability to overturn statutory law.


For a quick mirror image, imagine your reaction in February 2013 when President Romney issues an Executive Order announcing that the IRS will no longer be collecting Capital Gains taxes.
That is simply not true. He established a pirority on how the law would be enforced.
 
OK, first of all, the President doesn't have the authority to issue an Executive Order to do whatever willy-nilly thing he likes. He can't use it to rewrite the law against the express wishes of Congress, and that's what he did.

So just saying other Presidents use Executive orders doesn't come anywhere near to cutting it.

And you're wrong about his numbers anyway:

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

Obama didn't act outside of the bounds of his authority. If he had, it would be an impeachable offense. He isn't being Impeached over it.
 
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