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I posted how Paul Ryan "DODGED" the question of his and romneys tax plan...some conservatives on here said he clearly didnt...because they are clearly dishonest or clearly cant read....heres Paul Ryan admitting himself he dodged the question...I would like to add Paul Ryan is an idiot if he thinks people are going to buy this lame excuse...he CANT tell us his real tax plan because 98% of america wouldnt like it.


After a contentious back-and-forth with Chris Wallace of "Fox News Sunday," GOP vice-presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) explained the standoff on Monday by saying that he declined to discuss the math behind the Romney-Ryan tax plan because viewers would be bored by it.
"I like Chris; I didn't want to get into all of the math on this because everyone would start changing the channel," he told Milwaukee talk radio host Charlie Sykes.


Paul Ryan On Why He Didn't Discuss Tax Plan Math: 'Everyone Would Start Changing The Channel'
 
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lpast said:
I posted how Paul Ryan "DODGED" the question of his and romneys tax plan...some conservatives on here said he clearly didnt...because they are clearly dishonest or clearly cant read....heres Paul Ryan admitting himself he dodged the question...I would like to add Paul Ryan is an idiot if he thinks people are going to buy this lame excuse...he CANT tell us his real tax plan because 98% of america wouldnt like it.


After a contentious back-and-forth with Chris Wallace of "Fox News Sunday," GOP vice-presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) explained the standoff on Monday by saying that he declined to discuss the math behind the Romney-Ryan tax plan because viewers would be bored by it.
"I like Chris; I didn't want to get into all of the math on this because everyone would start changing the channel," he told Milwaukee talk radio host Charlie Sykes.


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I saw the interview. I think Ryan thought it would be an easy typical Fox News interview. He was clearly unprepaired to answer this question. He got frustrated and his big mistake was saying he didn't want to go through the math. I think this is a preview of what we will see at the VP debate.
 
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lpast said:
I posted how Paul Ryan "DODGED" the question of his and romneys tax plan...some conservatives on here said he clearly didnt...because they are clearly dishonest or clearly cant read....heres Paul Ryan admitting himself he dodged the question...
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Who cares if he did or not, its a nonissue.

I would like to add Paul Ryan is an idiot if he thinks people are going to buy this lame excuse...he CANT tell us his real tax plan because 98% of america wouldnt like it.
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Yea, we get it. You hate Paul Ryan.

However you are deluded if you think the rest of America is like you. Most of America do not care about this issue, and would change channel if he started talking about the maths behind the figures.
 
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I'll tell you "who" cares about the Math ... its' people who know Math :)
 
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Cigar said:
I'll tell you "who" cares about the Math ... its' people who know Math :)
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I know quite a bit of math.

That doesn't mean I think everyone is like me.
 
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Camlon said:
Who cares if he did or not, its a nonissue.


Yea, we get it. You hate Paul Ryan.

However you are deluded if you think the rest of America is like you. Most of America do not care about this issue, and would change channel if he started talking about the maths behind the figures.
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It is NOT a non issue this guy wants to be VP of the united states and he and romney SUPPOSEDLY have a tax plan that they REFUSE to explain to the electorate...This is very much an issue of TRUST and COMPETENCE...if you cant explain to the american people what your going to do then you dont have the right to do it...PERIOD
 
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lpast said:
It is NOT a non issue this guy wants to be VP of the united states and he and romney SUPPOSEDLY have a tax plan that they REFUSE to explain to the electorate...This is very much an issue of TRUST and COMPETENCE...if you cant explain to the american people what your going to do then you dont have the right to do it...PERIOD
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Obama can't explain how he is going to close the deficit. Last Obama budget got 0 votes in either house in congress.

With your own logic Obama does not have the right to become President.
 
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lpast said:
It is NOT a non issue this guy wants to be VP of the united states and he and romney SUPPOSEDLY have a tax plan that they REFUSE to explain to the electorate...This is very much an issue of TRUST and COMPETENCE...if you cant explain to the american people what your going to do then you dont have the right to do it...PERIOD
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Not explaining the math =/= not explaining the plan's premise.
 
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Camlon said:
Obama can't explain how he is going to close the deficit. Last Obama budget got 0 votes in either house in congress.

With your own logic Obama does not have the right to become President.
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Stick with the thread topic...PAUL RYAN DODGING questions....thanks
 
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tessaesque said:
Not explaining the math =/= not explaining the plan's premise.
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They are both the same....he has repeatedly refused along with romeny to lay out any details at all about their tax policy....They have been asked by liberal and conservatives Like Chris Wallace many times over and no one can get an answer from either of them....that STINKS of deception and I believe thats exactly what it is...and thats why Paul Ryan has hurt romeny and not helped him
 
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lpast said:
Stick with the thread topic...PAUL RYAN DODGING questions....thanks
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I am sticking to the topic. I am pointing out that the same logic can be used towards Obama who is unable to explain how he would close the deficit.

Still I don't see many threads from you pointing that out.
 
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He doesn't want to turn people off during a new show, then publish it in writing and let the wonks go through it.
 
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Camlon said:
Who cares if he did or not, its a nonissue.


Yea, we get it. You hate Paul Ryan.

However you are deluded if you think the rest of America is like you. Most of America do not care about this issue, and would change channel if he started talking about the maths behind the figures.
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Most of americans don't care about taxes. ...Thats a new one. Of course according to Romney 47% don't pay taxes whatsoever.
 
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shiang said:
Most of americans don't care about taxes. ...Thats a new one.
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I think what he meant was most Americans don't care about the math behind it, so long as it works.

Americans obviously don't care about the math behind Medicare's impending financial collapse, so long as they get what was promised to them, so he's probably not too far off base.
 
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shiang said:
Most of americans don't care about taxes. ...Thats a new one.
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You are putting words in my mouth. Please don't do that.

I said that most Americans do not care about this issue. This issue is Ryan who said he is not going to go through the maths, because it will bore viewers.
 
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Camlon said:
I am sticking to the topic. I am pointing out that the same logic can be used towards Obama who is unable to explain how he would close the deficit.

Still I don't see many threads from you pointing that out.
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No it cant...and they are not the same....ryan is asked direct simple questions and refuses to answer them...a tax plan is far simpler than an entire scenario to fix the economy that has may facets...
 
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lpast said:
I posted how Paul Ryan "DODGED" the question of his and romneys tax plan...some conservatives on here said he clearly didnt...because they are clearly dishonest or clearly cant read....heres Paul Ryan admitting himself he dodged the question...I would like to add Paul Ryan is an idiot if he thinks people are going to buy this lame excuse...he CANT tell us his real tax plan because 98% of america wouldnt like it.


After a contentious back-and-forth with Chris Wallace of "Fox News Sunday," GOP vice-presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) explained the standoff on Monday by saying that he declined to discuss the math behind the Romney-Ryan tax plan because viewers would be bored by it.
"I like Chris; I didn't want to get into all of the math on this because everyone would start changing the channel," he told Milwaukee talk radio host Charlie Sykes.


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The really ridiculous thing about HuffPo, you and most other liberals is your tendency to address one particular item (like a tax plan) and isolate it from the rest of Romney's campaign. That is particularly odious to me.

Romney's plan is multi-layered and is designed to work as a whole...not as individual parts. If you take his tax plan, his intentions to reduce the regulatory burden, overall government spending and other items...you end up with less government, less taxes, less hoops for the American people to jump through...and more of their own money left in people's pockets.

But hey...what do I know. I'm not a liberal. I'm just a conservative who's actually read his plan.
 
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tessaesque said:
I think what he meant was most Americans don't care about the math behind it, so long as it works.
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Yes, but the two are inextricably linked. It's easy for a politician to describe a tax plan and assure everyone that it's going to work, but that doesn't mean it will. Frankly, I don't much care about the numbers myself and I don't care whether Ryan discussed them in this interview but the candidates should be providing specific numbers and details SOMEWHERE so that the bean counters who like that stuff can verify whether what the candidates are proposing does in fact "add up".

Otherwise, the public is left to just take the politicians on their word, which according to my math is worth jack ****.
 
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the_recruit said:
Yes, but the two are inextricably linked. It's easy for a politician to describe a tax plan and assure everyone that it's going to work, but that doesn't mean it will. Frankly, I don't much care about the numbers myself and I don't care whether Ryan discussed them in this interview but the candidates should be providing specific numbers and details SOMEWHERE so that the bean counters who like that stuff can verify whether what the candidates are proposing does in fact "add up".

Otherwise, the public is left to just take the politicians on their word, which according to my math is worth jack ****.
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At least you're equally screwed whether you lean R or D, as neither side has released the "math".
 
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Camlon said:
You are putting words in my mouth. Please don't do that.

I said that most Americans do not care about this issue. This issue is Ryan who said he is not going to go through the maths, because it will bore viewers.
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That would be true because most americans don't even know about this.
 
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It would be nice if either Ryan or Willard would tell us a bit about their tax plan, or their jobs plan.

I figure it is because either the plan is a farce or and I believe this much more likely, the Middle Class would leave skid marks doing democrat if 'the plan' was laid out in any detail.

IF Ryan was half as smart as his admirers claim he would have some examples... that is if you close this loophole or that the estimate on the revenue generated would be approx.... not saying he needs to set it is concrete, just give us a clue he has a clue...

Now the deflection on President Obama's budget... given the pronouncements that ANY budget would be DOA to the GOP and their PRIMARY goal was not true cooperation but demands the majority still bend to the will of the minority party or there will be no deals, I can see why the President was reluctant to put a budget forward and why he would prefer the GOP put a budget out to show where both sides sit on major spending issues.

The GOP, with it's own internal power struggle as the Opportunists strove to bend the movement to their agenda and the astro-turf Teas began losing control of the agenda, could do little more than unify under the 'No More Obama' banner.

But back to the topic at hand... if Ryan ever does lay out the rough draft, the GOP loses and they all know it. :peace
 
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notquiteright said:
Now the deflection on President Obama's budget... given the pronouncements that ANY budget would be DOA to the GOP and their PRIMARY goal was not true cooperation but demands the majority still bend to the will of the minority party or there will be no deals, I can see why the President was reluctant to put a budget forward and why he would prefer the GOP put a budget out to show where both sides sit on major spending issues.
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That's not the reason. The Ryan budget was dead on arrival. That didn't mean they didn't release it. Also democrats control the senate. If democrats could pass a budget in the senate, and people like it, then that would put a lot of pressure on republicans.

The reason Obama is not releasing a budget which would close the deficit is because it will give Republicans a lot of ammunition against Democrats. Either they will have to cut spending on Medicare, Medicaid and social security or they will have to increase taxes on the middle class.

It is the exact same reason Romney is not releasing the details. I don't like it, but I try to not be too biased.
 
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notquiteright said:
Now the deflection on President Obama's budget... given the pronouncements that ANY budget would be DOA to the GOP and their PRIMARY goal was not true cooperation but demands the majority still bend to the will of the minority party or there will be no deals, I can see why the President was reluctant to put a budget forward and why he would prefer the GOP put a budget out to show where both sides sit on major spending issues.
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In addition to what Camlon has pointed out, your position doesn't take into account that any budget Obama proposes receives zero support from his fellow Democrats. Using the excuse of GOP opposition is narrow-focused spin.
 
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My liberal bretheren:

It was a brief Fox News interview. It wasn't really the place for an in-depth explanation of a tax plan. I wouldn't have expected details in a setting like that.

Now, I do want to see the math somewhere. Quite frankly, the bullet-points I've seen on the plan don't appear to add up. A 20% across-the-board cut in already-historically-low marginal rates? Show me how you think this isn't going to increase deficits!

Mycroft said:
In addition to what Camlon has pointed out, your position doesn't take into account that any budget Obama proposes receives zero support from his fellow Democrats. Using the excuse of GOP opposition is narrow-focused spin.
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In each of those cases where unanimous votes were made against "the President's budget," one of two things happened:
1) A different budget "solution" (snort) had already been agreed upon by both parties, leaving the President's budget redundant, but already scheduled for a vote so they had to vote on it.
2) The "President's Budget" had actually been introduced by Republicans, with the same "end-game" spending numbers but wildly different areas getting cut, making it anything but "the President's Budget." (i.e. political stunt on part of the GOP)

I mean really. Did you really think the entire Democratic party would vote against the President's budget? Not even one vote in favor? Not from any of those wild-spending big government socialists you think fill up the (D) side of Congress?
 
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