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Romney flip-flops vs Obama broke promises

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Just to be fair, I am posting videos for both sides. The Romney flip-flops were easy to find. For Obama, this was a close as I could get. I still think Romney has a worse track record for not taking a stand and just saying "We can talk about it".

Romney flip-flops:


Obama broke promises:
 
Yea, they both suck, i get that..
 
I think most folks would agree that they'd rather vote for a person who was consistent on his priciples as opposed to voting for someone who's positions change as the circumstances dictate.

Give me a man of convictions whether I agree with him fully or not and he can win over my support, but give me a man whose opinion changes with the wind and he loses my respect every time. This, ladies and gentlemen is the overriding problem with Mitt Romney! He has no convictions!!
 
Objective Voice said:
I think most folks would agree that they'd rather vote for a person who was consistent on his priciples as opposed to voting for someone who's positions change as the circumstances dictate.

Give me a man of convictions whether I agree with him fully or not and he can win over my support, but give me a man whose opinion changes with the wind and he loses my respect every time. This, ladies and gentlemen is the overriding problem with Mitt Romney! He has no convictions!!
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How do you know this? I am not baiting you--I just want to know your logic. I think if you look at his record in Massachusetts, his work with the Olympics, his philanthropy one can hardly say that he has no convictions. I could just as easily say Obama thought healthcare mandates were Un-American and then enacted them or opposed all of Bush's secret programs and then re-certified them. What Romney is saying may not comport with his past or other things he has said, but Obama has acted clearly in opposition to the principles and convictions he expressed during his campaign while in office. I'd pick a different house if I were going to be throwing conviction stones.
 
I'm not a Romney fan but the "flip-flop" idea is a bit senseless to me. I have changed my beliefs on many things throughout the course of my life; it's called growing/evolving as a person. Someone who never changes their beliefs is scary.

With that said, if your beliefs are changing month to month or you simply pander to your audience, that shows an extreme lack of character, which Romney has done.

Not living up to all your promises is something that every single politician does (and it is a major issue to me), but how can we even be so naive to belief that politicians will do what all the promise?

I will take "didn't hold up to promises" any day, over the person who spouts off views they don't even believe in.
 
Romney has never demonized success or the industrious. Obama has never veered from his demonization of the successful. It is that consistency which demands I support Romney

I find it interesting that romney's ads attack the JOB performance of Obama while Obama's ads target Romney's wealthy, tax returns and his in artful but essentially correct assertion that there is a sizable amount of voters who are Obama slurpers based on government handouts
 
Romney is a moderate and sometimes progressive Mormon running as the candidate of a conservative traditional Christian-oriented party. I am sure if he wins he will shift back to being the more open and compassionate moderate that his history shows him to be just as I am sure that Obama re-certified those programs he opposed on the campaign trail because when he sat in that chair he got to see and know things he did not see and know when he said those things. I am all for comparing policies, programs, etc. but I try not to completely dismiss the other side ever when it comes to politics because I am more interested in ideas than I am in partisanship.
 
WhiteIvy said:
I'm not a Romney fan but the "flip-flop" idea is a bit senseless to me. I have changed my beliefs on many things throughout the course of my life; it's called growing/evolving as a person. Someone who never changes their beliefs is scary.

With that said, if your beliefs are changing month to month or you simply pander to your audience, that shows an extreme lack of character, which Romney has done.

Not living up to all your promises is something that every single politician does (and it is a major issue to me), but how can we even be so naive to belief that politicians will do what all the promise?

I will take "didn't hold up to promises" any day, over the person who spouts off views they don't even believe in.
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I have no problem with people changing their minds, as long as they can articulate some reason for the change. The problem with Romney is that his tacking seems to be driven by nothing but political expediency. He runs for office in liberal Massachusettes? His policies are progressive. Running for office in the Tea Party-dominated GOP? He's severely conservative. This is the opposite of principled decision making.
 
Here's a new one on me for Romney that it'd be funny to see his base try to swallow:


...when he was governor, Mr. Romney remarked to an adviser, Rob Gray, that “we’d be a lot better off in this country if we had European gas prices” because Americans would buy more energy-efficient cars.​
 
Romney as a politician says whatever he thinks his audence wants to hear. His campaign has a rather lengthy list of issues he has changed his stance on since the primaries.

As Groucho said:
These are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others!
 
poweRob said:
Here's a new one on me for Romney that it'd be funny to see his base try to swallow:


...when he was governor, Mr. Romney remarked to an adviser, Rob Gray, that “we’d be a lot better off in this country if we had European gas prices” because Americans would buy more energy-efficient cars.​
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I am continually amazed that DEMs think private commentary is the thing voters should judge their opponents on rather than the public incompetency displayed by their leadership.

I suppose you would oppose Abraham Lincoln over his 'remark' that "If I could preserve the union by freeing all the slaves I would do that - If I could preserve the union by keeping slavery I would do that - If I could preserve the union by making the country half-slave and half-black, I would do that."

Such an 'unprincipled' guy - that Lincoln flip-flopper.

Not since the founding fathers generation have we had such an honest, principled, compassionate, morally consistent candidate for President as Mitt Romney.

Romney is so far superior to Obama on any important measure of integrity that it is laughable to even try attacking Romney while supporting Obama.
 
poweRob said:
Here's a new one on me for Romney that it'd be funny to see his base try to swallow:


...when he was governor, Mr. Romney remarked to an adviser, Rob Gray, that “we’d be a lot better off in this country if we had European gas prices” because Americans would buy more energy-efficient cars.​
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Or finally look for better, safer, more powerful energy sources...
 
Rokkitsci said:
I am continually amazed that DEMs think private commentary is the thing voters should judge their opponents on rather than the public incompetency displayed by their leadership.

I suppose you would oppose Abraham Lincoln over his 'remark' that "If I could preserve the union by freeing all the slaves I would do that - If I could preserve the union by keeping slavery I would do that - If I could preserve the union by making the country half-slave and half-black, I would do that."

Such an 'unprincipled' guy - that Lincoln flip-flopper.

Not since the founding fathers generation have we had such an honest, principled, compassionate, morally consistent candidate for President as Mitt Romney.

Romney is so far superior to Obama on any important measure of integrity that it is laughable to even try attacking Romney while supporting Obama.
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Lincon made it crystal clear. He was against slavery, but he will not let that trump the state of the union.

Calling a candidate/president a flip-flop never sticks with me. People are allowed to change their views. Candidates are required to "adjust" to pander to different audiances. I look more for candidates that are capable of thinking, reasoning, and executing than if they have entrenched views and what they are.
 
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