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Ultimate lesson of the 2012 Presidential election

wolfman24 said:
Ok that makes sense. but I believe you mentioned something about in the beginning or early on and that is what I was referring to. I am not sure that the Reps are totally behind him anymore. From what I have seen some are distancing themselves pretty fast.
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You have seen? LOL-its what the Obama supporters are claiming trying to suppress Romney votes. Complete BS
 
TurtleDude said:
his ghost written books wouldn't sell squat if he was not in office. He thus got rich from public

office
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:rolleyes: that has to be the silliest post ever in debatepolitics.

selling books due to one's marketability, even if the marketability has to do one's political status, is still free-enterprise, as opposed to getting bailout money from the feds.

Nevertheless, always fun to watch these conservative posters squirm in desperation. Looks like they need to consult their prophet for more guidance. . .

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solletica said:
:rolleyes: selling books due to one's marketability, even if the marketability has to do one's political status, is still free-enterprise, as opposed to getting bailout money from the feds.

Nevertheless, always fun to watch these conservative posters squirm in desperation. Looks like they need to consult their prophet for more guidance. . .

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the hard core lefties such as you tend to pay more time paying attention to Rush than we do.
 
solletica said:
Nope, he struck it rich from book deals. . .

snopes.com: Where Did Obama's Money Come From?
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His grandmother also left him a half million dollars. Obama lived a privleged childhood attending the most prestigious prep school in Hawaii for 8 years while his grandmother was the first female vice president of the bank of Hawaii. After spending his early childhood in Indonesia where his stepfather worked as a government relations officer with the Union oil Company . The family had servants and little Barry was chauffeured to school every day.
 
jerry7 said:
His grandmother also left him a half million dollars. Obama lived a privleged childhood attending the most prestigious prep school in Hawaii for 8 years while his grandmother was the first female vice president of the bank of Hawaii. After spending his early childhood in Indonesia where his stepfather worked as a government relations officer with the Union oil Company . The family had servants and little Barry was chauffeured to school every day.
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then he gets those affirmative action preferences to columbia and harvard because he was a "DISADVANTAGED" minority

a joke as big as his presidency

later folks
 
jerry7 said:
His grandmother also left him a half million dollars. Obama lived a privleged childhood attending the most prestigious prep school in Hawaii for 8 years while his grandmother was the first female vice president of the bank of Hawaii. After spending his early childhood in Indonesia where his stepfather worked as a government relations officer with the Union oil Company . The family had servants and little Barry was chauffeured to school every day.
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We're still waiting to see when/where Obama took federal bailout and/or welfare money to strike it rich.

For the right wingers' convenience, I have included their prophet for them to consult at their convenience. . .

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There's one thing I have learned about people when it comes to this issue: They will always like the guy that lies to their face, as long as he is honest about lying to them. All politicians are liars, history is proof. For some reason, the excuse "at least I know where he stands" seems to justify a politician's dishonesty. IMO, it's a crap shoot voting for any politician. You can always trust they will tell you what you want to hear, then do some things opposite when they are elected. The problem is trying to figure out which lesser evil to vote for.

Personally, I would like to time travel back to the second presidential election when the politicians decided you have to declare what political party you are from to run for president. The introduction of partisanship divided our nation and made us easier to control. Now we spend each election year fighting with each other over who has the better candidate. To make things worse, we keep the 50 states divided with their own laws, which do not trump federal laws. I'm not saying that all control should be in the federal government. I am opposed to this. I am also opposed to state government. We simply have too many laws, laws that modify other laws (like the Patriot Act), and downright dumb laws.

I'll get off my soap box, but let me end by saying this country has been ridiculous for centuries.
 
TurtleDude said:
then he gets those affirmative action preferences to columbia and harvard because he was a "DISADVANTAGED" minority

a joke as big as his presidency

later folks
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You forgot to mention how the Roswell aliens helped him get elected. . .

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And what about his birth certificate :rolleyes: :lol:
 
solletica said:
We're still waiting to see when/where Obama took federal bailout and/or welfare money to strike it rich.

For the right wingers' convenience, I have included their prophet for them to consult at their convenience. . .

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Only one of your own failings is posting this Limbaugh gif. Just saying. You might be surprised by the numbers of voters who oppose your views who don't listen to Limbaugh.

Nevertheless, you should be afraid of those who do. They aren't all "dittoheads," but they are lying in wait and expecting folks just like you to troll just as you do.
 
TurtleDude said:
the hard core lefties such as you tend to pay more time paying attention to Rush than we do.
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rush is the pied piper of the GOP lower-middle class voting bloc. It's fun to watch as he leads them into a hole :)
 
nota bene said:
Only one of your own failings is posting this Limbaugh gif. Just saying. You might be surprised by the numbers of voters who oppose your views who don't listen to Limbaugh.

Nevertheless, you should be afraid of those who do. They aren't all "dittoheads," but they are lying in wait and expecting folks just like you to troll just as you do.
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It appears they were dittoheads up until romney's tell-all-video. At that point, the copy machine in their heads broke.
 
jerry7 said:
His grandmother also left him a half million dollars.
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OMG charity!

Is private charity the same thing as getting a federal FDIC bailout ?

Methinks the right wing needs to look up the definition of socialism again.
 
jerry7 said:
The ultimate lesson of the 2012 election is that a dishonest press can make the worst candidate look good to a significant amount of the population.
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Yep, nicely done Fox News! Ya, dress up Romney reasonably well and had the Cons conned. Of course, he was dressed up with no place to go... except down in the polls.
 
jerry7 said:
The ultimate lesson of the 2012 election is that a dishonest press can make the worst candidate look good to a significant amount of the population.
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To conservatives, a "dishonest press" is one that leaks videos of candidates speaking at private fundraisers they want kept secret.
 
MaggieD said:
No. When you cut taxes, you automatically leave more money in the hands of people to spend.
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true, but hen you cut taxes for the one percent you do not create the demand you do when you cut it for the middle or poor classes. Romney wants to cut it for the one percent while raising it on the 99 percent. It makes more economical sense if you are going to cut taxes to cut it for the middle and lower classes as the money will be spent and actually get to the rich.
MaggieD said:
Why must we waste it on programs that are sadly lacking in accountability and effective management?
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First those are 2 different problems. The programs are good, but they need better accountability. I would most certainly vote for stricter oversight, more specific benefits, and harsher punishment for fraud. I am not willing to say just because someone screwed them up that we should just get rid of the things that right now are holding up our economy. I would also like to note that those changes are happening. With the advancements of technology there has been much more control placed on the welfare system and I am all for more happening to make sure the money is being spent on the right things.
MaggieD said:
Why should Medicare be such a mess? People will have to pay more for it. But the left doesn't want to hear that. They want-want-want and want the other guy to pay. Medicare premiums need to go up!!! Why aren't they going up?? Because politicians don't have the courage to do anything that's unpopular for fear it will cost them their office.
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Our government has to start clamping down medical costs. They are high because there are no restrictions and it is a necessity for survival. It does not need to be so costly. If you want to allow the free market to gouge money off an Iphone that people do not need to survive i am cool with that. When you allow the medical industry to hold people and through them the government hostage for overpriced medicine then the government needs to step in and cap costs, or at least negotiate a lesser cost for their bulk purchases. That isn't being done because it will cost them their lobby money.


MaggieD said:
Hope they die. Yes, that's it, why didn't I think of that?
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That is the end result of what you are suggesting, unless you are encouraging crime. You take an old or disabled person's social security from them and if they do not have savings they will starve to death and die. They simply are at the point they cannot work. I am simply following your suggestion to it's logical conclusion since money does not fall from heaven. please do not blame me because you now feel guilty because you had to face the inevitable conclusion to cutting off social programs in an economy without the jobs to cover the people.
MaggieD said:
There's something wrong with you, Terun. There really is.
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I am sure you think so because I make you feel guilty. I should not remind you of the end result of cutting off the only income many elderly or disabled have. I should not remind you of the effect of denying the sick medical care. It reminds you that there is a reason we do those things. It is not because we all hope to someday live on the government dime, but that we hope if our life ever comes to those points there is something there for us when we cannot make our own. No one wishes to be disabled or have to live on welfare, but when they are down they do wish there was something there to help them. If it is so damned great go live off of it. If it is so easy and free go do it. You don't do it because it is not easy.
MaggieD said:
You think that because the right wants to hold people accountable they're sociopaths. I'm sure it plays well at the rallies, but it's a bunch of bull****. The US economy isn't going to collapse if we stop spending like drunken sailors.
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No, I think because they try to deny the effects of cutting programs that help defenseless and sick people they are sociopaths. I think because they seem to take great joy from trying to do it that they are sociopaths. You are not taking responsibility for your actions. That is the problem. if you came out and said the hell with the elderly, sick, disabled, and poor I would know you understand that cutting them off is something you have at least thought through to the point of recognizing what happens to them. You have not done that. You cannot even accept that your own claims we cannot afford them are basically sentencing them to a painful death if we follow your guys ideas. I just chose to have the programs in place despite the abuses, and hope for them to be corrected to be as efficient as possible because I see the need for them, and have compassion for the people who receive them and need them. You don't get to come here and tell me how compassionate you are when you are telling people to screw off and die.


MaggieD said:
Surprise. I don't watch Fox News. I barely watch any news. I get my news from the newspapers and the radio. Much less sensationalizing that way. You tell everything about how much you know and who you are when you call Romney Mittens. Just like a 5th grader. Nice,
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What, i call mitt romney Mittens because it is a cute endearing term and the guy actually needs a little buffer to help him with his caustic bristly nature. Oh, and for someone who does not watch fox news you sure do seem to use their catch phrases and talking points.
 
clownboy said:
His books sold because they were promoted by the party BECAUSE he was in government. No one was interested before he took office. He leveraged his office to sell his books.
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Exploiting one's political status to sell books = free-enterprise :) . Getting FDIC bailouts = socialism :( .

Why do conservatives prefer socialists like romney?
 
solletica said:
To conservatives, a "dishonest press" is one that leaks videos of candidates speaking at private fundraisers they want kept secret.
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No, sorry, a dishonest media to me are journalists who choose to "shape" and make the news rather than just report it. And I do think some MSM outlets are totally in the tank for Obama.
 
solletica said:
When the economy is the defining issue, GOP politicians can only win when they lie to their lower-middle-class base.
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There's nothing to lie about.
 
MaggieD said:
When the economy is the defining issue, the guy who's willing to give away the most wins.
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Or the side that raises GDP, lowers unemployment, and actually grows buisness, while take on the same rate of debt as someone who crashes the economy.
 
shiang said:
Or the side that raises GDP, lowers unemployment, and actually grows buisness, while take on the same rate of debt as someone who crashes the economy.
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Certainly not going with the guy who wants to take it all for himself and his friends.
 
nota bene said:
No, sorry, a dishonest media to me are journalists who choose to "shape" and make the news rather than just report it.
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To a conservative, "shaping" the news means revealing any information not approved by rush, and/or the speeches at GOP private fundraisers.
 
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According to TIME, it's not over for mitt. . .

How Mitt Romney’s Faith Could Help Him Win | TIME Ideas | TIME.com

OK, here goes

romney said:
Mexicans are illegal, gays are bad, Muslims are evil. Ban abortions
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Poll: romney up 1% among right-wing swing voters

romney said:
Mexicans are parasites, gays just molest our kids, and all Muslims are terrists! Put all mothers who get abortions in jail!
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Poll: romney up 2% among right-wing swing voters

romney said:
GRRRR! Mexians are gonna invade America and destroy our culture. Gays are gonna make all our kids homos for their agenda. NUKE ALL MULSIMS!!! KILL ALL THE MOMS WHO USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!!!
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Poll: romney up 7% among right-wing swing voters. Now leads Obama in swing states

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Neither candidate wants to talk about or actually make the hard decisions that need to be made. Taken to together, Social Security and Medicaid comprise the largest portion of the federal budget at slightly more than 33% while defense comes in second at 19.4%, based on FY 2011 numbers. Those three alone account for all of the revenue taken by the Feds through taxes. I'm not an economist nor do I play one on TV, but those numbers have to come down to even get close to balancing the budget. Neither Obama or Romney will address the truth on those subjects because they know it's political suicide. Senior citizens are the most mobilized of voters and the defense industry is a major campaign contributor.
The longer we keep kicking the can down the road, the harder this is going to get. As of 2011, payment on interest to the national debt was 6.3 of the Federal budget - 227 billion dollars. In a balanced budget, that's money that can and should be returned to We the People. Eliminating the national debt and thereby putting more money in everyone's pocket would be the greatest economic stimulation package the government could offer.
 
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