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Presidential Debate Wed Oct 3, 2012 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time

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TV Channels – Each debate will be broadcast live on C-SPAN, ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC, as well as all cable news channels including CNN, Fox News and MSNBC among others.

Topic: Domestic policy
Air Time: 9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
Location: University of Denver in Denver, Colorado (Tickets)
Sponsor: Commission on Presidential Debates
Participants: President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney
Moderator: Jim Lehrer (Host of NewsHour on PBS)
The debate will focus on domestic policy and be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on topics to be selected by the moderator and announced several weeks before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a discussion of the topic.

2012 Presidential Debate Schedule « 2012 Election Central
 
Well there is about 5 hours before the debate begins.

Live streaming will be available on YouTube at 8PM Eastern:

 
Democrat Talking Points for tonight:

  • Obama shared his specific, concrete, detailed plan for strengthening the middle class and growing the economy "for all"
  • Romney hid behind attacks and "zingers" because he knows that the specifics of his plan are bad for the middle class
  • Romney's plan doesn't make sense, he doesn't know how to create jobs and is trying to sell snake oil
  • Romney will be soft on China, where all his jobs will be created; Obama will continue to stand up to China for the American worker
  • Romney wants to raise taxes on small businesses and the middle class in order to fund huge tax cuts for the rich
  • Romney wants to balloon the deficit by slashing revenue and giving the DoD money it doesn't want; Obama will responsibly lower the debt by asking the rich to pay "a little more"
  • Romney wants to cut Medicare and increase costs for seniors; Obama will protect Medicare

Sounds like they're expecting tonight's focus to be economy, economy, economy. They're going to try to portray Obama as the mature guy with a sensible, well thought out plan to grow jobs, reduce the deficit, and help the middle class -- accomplished of course through asking those rich folks to pay a little more. Romney, on the other hand, is an out of touch corporatist flinging insults on Obama just hoping something will stick because he's worried that if people tear the paper off his agenda, they'll see that it's really all a sham with a singular goal of empowering the rich.
 
As usual Nate Silver had an interesting column. He looked at polls before and after debates going back to '76 and found that the candidate facing an incumbent generally picks up a point or two after the first debate. That's the good news for Romney. The bad news is that he's more than a point or two down, and there's generally very little movement after subsequent debates.

Saw another article -- can't remember where -- examining Romney's performance in his gubernetorial debates. Bottom line was that he lost the early ones but improved towards the end, and his opponent blew the last and in that case most important debate by being too, in her words, bitchy.
 
Democrat Talking Points for tonight:

  • Obama shared his specific, concrete, detailed plan for strengthening the middle class and growing the economy "for all"
  • Romney hid behind attacks and "zingers" because he knows that the specifics of his plan are bad for the middle class
  • Romney's plan doesn't make sense, he doesn't know how to create jobs and is trying to sell snake oil
  • Romney will be soft on China, where all his jobs will be created; Obama will continue to stand up to China for the American worker
  • Romney wants to raise taxes on small businesses and the middle class in order to fund huge tax cuts for the rich
  • Romney wants to balloon the deficit by slashing revenue and giving the DoD money it doesn't want; Obama will responsibly lower the debt by asking the rich to pay "a little more"
  • Romney wants to cut Medicare and increase costs for seniors; Obama will protect Medicare

Sounds like they're expecting tonight's focus to be economy, economy, economy. They're going to try to portray Obama as the mature guy with a sensible, well thought out plan to grow jobs, reduce the deficit, and help the middle class -- accomplished of course through asking those rich folks to pay a little more. Romney, on the other hand, is an out of touch corporatist flinging insults on Obama just hoping something will stick because he's worried that if people tear the paper off his agenda, they'll see that it's really all a sham with a singular goal of empowering the rich.

Wait a minute, that was their story line in 08, I guess they want us to believe the same old lie.

This sent to my by e-mail, and is an interesting view point.

DIRECT FROM CAESAR’S PALACE -

"A Las Vegas "odds maker" gives his reasons for big win by Romney in November. Interesting analysis.

Most political predictions are made by biased pollsters, pundits, or prognosticators who are either rooting for Republicans or Democrats. I am neither. I am a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a well-known Vegas odds maker with one of the most accurate records of predicting political races.

But as an odds maker with a pretty remarkable track record of picking political races, I play no favorites. I simply use common sense to call them as I see them. Back in late December I released my New Year's Predictions. I predicted back then- before a single GOP primary had been held, with Romney trailing for months to almost every GOP competitor from Rick Perry to Herman Cain to Newt- that Romney would easily rout his competition to win the GOP nomination by a landslide. I also predicted that the Presidential race between Obama and Romney would be very close until election day. But that on election day Romney would win by a landslide similar to Reagan-Carter in 1980.

Understanding history, today I am even more convinced of a resounding Romney victory. 32 years ago at this moment in time, Reagan was losing by 9 points to Carter. Romney is right now running even in polls. So why do most pollsters give Obama the edge?

First, most pollsters are missing one ingredient- common sense. Here is my gut instinct. Not one American who voted for McCain 4 years ago will switch to Obama. Not one in all the land. But many millions of people who voted for an unknown Obama 4 years ago are angry, disillusioned, turned off, or scared about the future. Voters know Obama now- and that is a bad harbinger.

Now to an analysis of the voting blocks that matter in U.S. politics:
**Black voters. Obama has nowhere to go but down among this group. His endorsement of gay marriage has alienated many black church going Christians. He may get 88% of their vote instead of the 96% he got in 2008. This is not good news for Obama.

Jewish voters. Obama has been weak in his support of Israel . Many Jewish voters and big donors are angry and disappointed. I predict Obama's Jewish support drops from 78% in 2008 to the low 60's. This is not good news for Obama.

**Youth voters. Obama's biggest and most enthusiastic believers from 4 years ago have graduated into a job market from hell. Young people are disillusioned, frightened, and broke- a bad combination. The enthusiasm is long gone. Turnout will be much lower among young voters, as will actual voting percentages. This not good news for Obama.

Catholic voters. Obama won a majority of Catholics in 2008. That won't happen again. Out of desperation to please women, Obama went to war with the Catholic Church over contraception. Now he is being sued by the Catholic Church. Majority lost. This is not good news for Obama.

**Small Business owners. Because I ran for Vice President last time
around, and I'm a small businessman myself, I know literally thousands of small business owners. At least 40% of them in my circle of friends, fans and supporters voted for Obama 4 years ago to give someone different a chance. As I warned them that he would pursue a war on capitalism and demonize anyone who owned a business...that he'd support unions over the private sector in a big way...that he'd overwhelm the economy with spending and debt. My friends didn't listen. Four years later, I can't find one person in my circle of small business owner friends voting for Obama. Not one. This is not good news for Obama.

Blue collar working class whites: Do I need to say a thing? White working class voters are about as happy with Obama as Boston Red Sox fans feel about the New York Yankees. This is not good news for Obama.

Suburban moms. The issue isn't contraception, it's having a job to pay for contraception. Obama's economy frightens these moms. They are worried about putting food on the table. They fear for their children's future. This is not good news for Obama.

Military Veterans. McCain won this group by 10 points. Romney is winning by 24 points. The more our military vets got to see of Obama, the more they disliked him. This is not good news for Obama.

Add it up. Is there one major group where Obama has gained since 2008? Will anyone in America wake up on election day saying, I didn't vote for Obama 4 years ago, but he's done such a fantastic job, I can't wait to vote for him today. Does anyone feel that a vote for Obama makes their job more secure?

Forget the polls. My gut instincts as a Vegas odds maker and common sense small businessman tell me this will be a historic landslide and a world-class repudiation of Obama's radical and risky socialist agenda. It's Reagan-Carter all over again.

But I'll give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt."
 
election year is a bit like the superbowl for me. this is basically the first game of the playoffs, so i will definitely be watching. i have not yet received the memo with the drinking game rules, however.
 
I will be partaking in cake vodka mixed with Bailey's and milk.

Fancy Shmancy.

We'll be on the beers tonight.

So weird, I'll be watching the debate with an Australian and a Brit.

Almost sounds like the beginning to a really lame joke.

"So an Australian, a South African and an Englishman are all watching the presidential debate when the Australian says..."
 
Now, the most important question, which network's coverage of the debate should I watch? I am thinking CBS since I never watch CBS.
 
fifteen minute countdown. watching the pregame on CNN.
 
Might I also add this is more exciting than sports. I have been waiting for this day for months. Even though the Superbowl was in my town this year, this is far more important to me.
 
Might I also add this is more exciting than sports. I have been waiting for this day for months. Even though the Superbowl was in my town this year, this is far more important to me.

agreed. i consider the debates the playoffs for my superbowl.

as for the actual superbowl, i was stunned that there wasn't freezing rain or some other weather catastrophe like the year before. February is a real crapshoot in this neck of the woods.
 
Might I also add this is more exciting than sports. I have been waiting for this day for months. Even though the Superbowl was in my town this year, this is far more important to me.

Ehhh. I don't know if it is more important than football. Baseball, yeah. NBA, totally. Football, ehhhh.
 
Romney kills me with the middle tax issue. He has stated middle class is $200,000 to $250,000. I guess my measly $36,000 salary is not considered middle class. I still consider myself middle class. What's your views on the middle class in terms of salary?
 
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