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Will the Debate Produce a Game Change?

Will the Debates Produce a Game Change?

  • The Presidential debates will produce a game changing moment

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • The VP debate will change the game

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The debates will have no effect on the outcome

    Votes: 23 50.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 21.7%
  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .
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Simple question. Predict whether the debates will produce a game change.
 
I don't think so...unless one or the other says something really stupid.
 
I doubt it, but it's possible. The way the debates are structured, I think if there is a game change, it'll be because one of them says something pretty stupid.
 
NO. The election is already decided and the debates will not reverse what is already a forgone conclusion.

Mittens 47% comment has taken care of that quite nicely.
 
At this point the only people who support Obama are radical Marxists, OCW, Socialists, and Obamaphone voters

We already know what's going to happen in the debates. Obama will pretend he's Santa Claus with other people's money promising a utopia if we only give him 4 more years, Romney will rattle off his failures like a checklist.

November 6th can't come fast enough. It's time to take out the trash at the WH.
 
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I doubt it, but it's possible. The way the debates are structured, I think if there is a game change, it'll be because one of them says something pretty stupid.
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That has already happened with Mittens and his 47% rant.
 
Bronson said:
At this point the only people who support Obama are radical Marxists, OCW, Socialists, and Obamaphone voters
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We in the Leon Trotsky Marching Band and Diorama Builders Society feel left out.
 
The problem for Romney, as we saw during the many many many Republican debates.. he is a poor debater plus has zero charisma. So for him to gain any advantage in the debates he has to change that. Now according to rumours, he has been prepping big time for the debates so maybe he can improve on his debating skills. Problem comes with charisma.. you cant fake that and he will look like a cold fish next to Obama.

So he has to distract away from the charisma flaw.. which means he has to come out guns blazing but not look too desperate. He also has to stick to facts, not GOP facts, but reality facts. And it is on the last part that I suspect Romney will have a serious problem that could easily cost him the election. His 47% comment will come up, and he must have a credible answer/defence to this, and that does not mean doubling down on it.

Lets just say.. the debates are critical for Romney.. it is his only chance. Obama has to realllllly screw up to loose the debates, and I just dont see him doing that, especially with the dead fish Romney as his opponent.
 
Likely: No. I think for the most part it just becomes an exclamation point. I believe by now many have settled in, and the few remaining undecideds may be swung one way or the other. It's now about the domination of the news cycle and commentary.
 
Bronson said:
At this point the only people who support Obama are radical Marxists, OCW, Socialists, and Obamaphone voters
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Ah, pretty much explains why Obama is pulling away: America has suddenly been flooded with radical marxists and socialists.....

The fundamental problem that Romney has in the debate is that he has to open is mouth and say something. To date, every time he has opened his mouth he has either: 1) offended 1/2 of America; 2) said something that he really believes and offended the Cons (who quickly correct him, making him look like a puppet instead of a leader); or 3) said something so radical that titillates the Cons, but scares the middle.

Sorry, but the Romney candidacy has tried to win this thing by knocking down Obama and hoping people just pick him as the only alternative. In trying to implement this strategy, his campaign made two incredible interdependent blunders:

1) The really haven't been able to knock down Obama (the economy, while not great, has some life... with housing finally firming up and the stock market high, people's net worth is fundamentally back to ahead of where it was 4 years ago) and Romney can not stay on an economic message long enough to ever get a knock down; and
2) Even if you do knock Obama down, you are not just going to pick the other guy because he is a warm body. He has to be credible. Though Romney has started with credibility, he has offered no vision of the future (other than tax cuts for the wealthy and war in Iran... just George Bush II doctrine, which most people blame for the mess we are in) and opens his mouth and puts in his foot (the 47% comment , his inconsistent statements).... and Romney doesn't even measure up to the warm body standard as he just isn't very warm.

Barring a major, major turn of events, this party is over..... the debates will be modestly interesting only because Romney has to say something to a national audience.
 
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On his own, I think Romney would do alright. He's quite intelligent and I sense (IMHO) that he's a caring person who might turn out much more "Liberal" than expected.

His party's platform weighs on him like a mountain. There's just not enough call for expanding government intrusion into personal lifestyle choices. I thought this would be a tight race but by now I think Team Romney is pretty much sunk.
 
The media report outlines for the debates have already been developed. No matter what is said or happens Obama's presence will be Presidential, his ability to think and respond under pressure extraordinary, his grasp and perception of the issues almost beyond comprehension. The press is so far in the tank for this guy there isn't even a reason to televise the debates. The tallking heads will tell us all later what we saw and heard and what is and isn't true and relevant. There is no need to sit through the debates just catch the cliff notes version presented by the msm afterwards. Obama good, Romney bad.
 
No Romneys 47% comment and his recent "rah rah for me" video clip has sealed his fate.
 
specklebang said:
On his own, I think Romney would do alright. He's quite intelligent and I sense (IMHO) that he's a caring person who might turn out much more "Liberal" than expected.

His party's platform weighs on him like a mountain. There's just not enough call for expanding government intrusion into personal lifestyle choices. I thought this would be a tight race but by now I think Team Romney is pretty much sunk.
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This is actually the problem. Romney himself would be a great president, but he has to appease his base because most of the population will only vote for their party (team sport anyone?).

This is actually the root cause of a lot of the problems in our society. If we could get past this we would be a WHOLE lot better.
 
upsideguy said:
Ah, pretty much explains why Obama is pulling away: America has suddenly been flooded with radical marxists and socialists.....

The fundamental problem that Romney has in the debate is that he has to open is mouth and say something. To date, every time he has opened his mouth he has either: 1) offended 1/2 of America; 2) said something that he really believes and offended the Cons (who quickly correct him, making him look like a puppet instead of a leader); or 3) said something so radical that titillates the Cons, but scares the middle.

Sorry, but the Romney candidacy has tried to win this thing by knocking down Obama and hoping people just pick him as the only alternative. In trying to implement this strategy, his campaign made two incredible interdependent blunders:

1) The really haven't been able to knock down Obama (the economy, while not great, has some life... with housing finally firming up and the stock market high, people's net worth is fundamentally back to ahead of where it was 4 years ago) and Romney can not stay on an economic message long enough to ever get a knock down; and
2) Even if you do knock Obama down, you are not just going to pick the other guy because he is a warm body. He has to be credible. Though Romney has started with credibility, he has offered no vision of the future (other than tax cuts for the wealthy and war in Iran... just George Bush II doctrine, which most people blame for the mess we are in) and opens his mouth and puts in his foot (the 47% comment , his inconsistent statements).... and Romney doesn't even measure up to the warm body standard as he just isn't very warm.

Barring a major, major turn of events, this party is over..... the debates will be modestly interesting only because Romney has to say something to a national audience.
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The problem with much of your statement... It was when Romney went on the offensive and took charge of the debates in FL and AZ that he finished off his opponents and won the nomination...

I'd much rather Romney on the offensive than playing safe... Romney gets into trouble when he sounds wishy washy and defensive about issues...

If the expectation is Obama is going to wipe the floor with Romney, and Romney has to come out and attack... I really like that scenario in favor of Romney...


Plus, the biggest thing the debates will do... PUT THE ISSUES AS THE FOCUS AGAIN!!!!

I'm so sick of the 24hr entertainment news media being the ones who are driving what's spoken about during this election...

For 3 nights, the majority of the TV's in this country will be watching the same program (that isn't NFL Football)... and that will be a center stage showpiece for two of the most intellectual candidates we have had in some time to square off (I honestly could say not since JFK vs Nixon are there two viable intellectual minds up there on the stage, with the potential exception of Carter vs Reagan), and hopefully issues are what are discussed...

This will likely be the first time during the entire campaign, where Obama will not be able to avoid his record... and will be facing a barage of questions regarding it...

Of course he's gonna pretend to be the cool guy during it, and it's just gonna make him look like a fool... who is out of his league...
 
jerry7 said:
The media report outlines for the debates have already been developed. No matter what is said or happens Obama's presence will be Presidential, his ability to think and respond under pressure extraordinary, his grasp and perception of the issues almost beyond comprehension. The press is so far in the tank for this guy there isn't even a reason to televise the debates. The tallking heads will tell us all later what we saw and heard and what is and isn't true and relevant. There is no need to sit through the debates just catch the cliff notes version presented by the msm afterwards. Obama good, Romney bad.
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I don't understand why you talk about the MSM (MainStream Media) and not include Fox News in it. They have an incredible amount of people that watch it, and Fox will definitely be playing the same cards, but for Romney.

Or exclude NPR (which studies say doesn't have a liberal bias, it does have a liberal tone)
 
NPR does have a liberal tone but of all of them, they are the most informative and in-depth.
 
Even Romney's Etch a Sketch is not going to provide the answers needed to win these debates. I suspect that Romney will come across as the arrogant, completely out of touch elitist that he is..
 
IndepCentristMA said:
This will likely be the first time during the entire campaign, where Obama will not be able to avoid his record... and will be facing a barage of questions regarding it...

Of course he's gonna pretend to be the cool guy during it, and it's just gonna make him look like a fool... who is out of his league...
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The problem is not Obama running on his record. The problem will be Romney running from his. Romney has tried to pretend that his record is "off limits" throughout this campaign. This time, he won't be able to run from it.

Obama will simply need to point out that since he took office and mitigated one of the biggest economic disasters since the great depression, we have had 40+ unbroken months of job creation compared to the hundreds of thousands of jobs that were being hemorraghed since he took office.
 
Krhazy said:
Simple question. Predict whether the debates will produce a game change.
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Nope.Romney has flipped too much and even if Obama doesn't throw that in Romney's face the voters already know Romney is a phony.
 
Bronson said:
At this point the only people who support Obama are radical Marxists, OCW, Socialists, and Obamaphone voters

We already know what's going to happen in the debates. Obama will pretend he's Santa Claus with other people's money promising a utopia if we only give him 4 more years, Romney will rattle off his failures like a checklist.

November 6th can't come fast enough. It's time to take out the trash at the WH.
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LoL.

 
I think the debates could move the needle one or two points either way. Not enough for Romney to get his head above water.
 
Yes I think they will make a change. Romney will find his soundbites that his staff will give him and he will have a clear message until the end. He is bound to see how powerful that 47% remark was and he has to diverge from it as much as possible. Whether or not that makes him the winner is too early to tell. It could screw him, but either way, the dialogue will change.
 
specklebang said:
On his own, I think Romney would do alright. He's quite intelligent and I sense (IMHO) that he's a caring person who might turn out much more "Liberal" than expected.

His party's platform weighs on him like a mountain. There's just not enough call for expanding government intrusion into personal lifestyle choices. I thought this would be a tight race but by now I think Team Romney is pretty much sunk.
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Its kinda odd that some people can come up with two are more interpretations of romney.Myself i think of him as a sociopath.:2wave:
 
disneydude said:
The problem is not Obama running on his record. The problem will be Romney running from his. Romney has tried to pretend that his record is "off limits" throughout this campaign. This time, he won't be able to run from it.

Obama will simply need to point out that since he took office and mitigated one of the biggest economic disasters since the great depression, we have had 40+ unbroken months of job creation compared to the hundreds of thousands of jobs that were being hemorraghed since he took office.
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Wait... this ought to be moved into the breaking news forum then... You're saying we are out of an economic disaster...

I thought we were still in one... $16T in debt, 43 straight months of unemployment over 8%, and gasoline prices averaging over $3.75/gal nationally...

Far be it for me to say, but those numbers don't look good...
 
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