Will the Debate Produce a Game Change?

Loki97 said:

Then Romney will click his heels together three times while saying "There's no place like home" and suddenly appear in Kansas... only to find it's been moved into the tossup column.

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Whatever you say... See you in November

Grim17 said:

The debates are Obama's worse nightmare... That's because the American people, especially independents and the undecided, will learn a few things that they didn't really know or had forgotten based on the skewed media coverage of the campaign.

1. They will get to hear the list of failures of the Obama administration.
2. They will be told exactly how dismal the Obama recovery has actually been.
3. They will understand exactly how much debt Obama has run up.
4. They will discover that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good, decent men that are intelligent, knowledgeable and are far more qualified to bring the American economy back to life, than Obama could ever dream of being.

It will be one man with a bunch of tired promises and platitudes, versus one with the know how and a track record of success.

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1. according to the politifact site, Obama has kept 38% of the promises he made during the last campaig, 15% were compromises, 21% are still in the works, 17% he was not able to achieve his promises and in 9% of cases it has stalled. Obama has killed Osama, achieved the withdrawal from Iraq, has achieved the affordable health care law, has stopped the bleeding of jobs and is working at the recovery.

The other point Obama can make is that Romney is an unproven quantity who flip flops his way through life in order to suck up to the voters of the election he is running in at that moment. He is a political chameleon/backbone less person who cannot be trusted to stand up for what he believes because nobody actually can trust his words as to what he actually believes in.

2. you might think the Obama recovery has been, but in the wake of a still world wide economic slow down and the enormous mess he was left in 2009, it is a miracle that the US is close to going under 8% unemployment and that the US economy has turned the corner.

3. the debt was already high and going up due to the economic crisis. The rising debt is as much the fault of congress as it is Obama. And Obama can point to the fact that Romney is there for his rich buddies and will give them a tax cut at the expensive of the rest of the US people.

4. They will discover that Romney is a man of no principles, Ryan is a man of extremist principles and that they are not to be trusted with the US economy and the US institutions like health care. They will be a disaster for the rights of women and will wreck the economy that is finally starting to turn for the better.

Peter King said:

1. according to the politifact site, Obama has kept 38% of the promises he made during the last campaig, 15% were compromises, 21% are still in the works, 17% he was not able to achieve his promises and in 9% of cases it has stalled. Obama has killed Osama, achieved the withdrawal from Iraq, has achieved the affordable health care law, has stopped the bleeding of jobs and is working at the recovery.

The other point Obama can make is that Romney is an unproven quantity who flip flops his way through life in order to suck up to the voters of the election he is running in at that moment. He is a political chameleon/backbone less person who cannot be trusted to stand up for what he believes because nobody actually can trust his words as to what he actually believes in.

2. you might think the Obama recovery has been, but in the wake of a still world wide economic slow down and the enormous mess he was left in 2009, it is a miracle that the US is close to going under 8% unemployment and that the US economy has turned the corner.

3. the debt was already high and going up due to the economic crisis. The rising debt is as much the fault of congress as it is Obama. And Obama can point to the fact that Romney is there for his rich buddies and will give them a tax cut at the expensive of the rest of the US people.

4. They will discover that Romney is a man of no principles, Ryan is a man of extremist principles and that they are not to be trusted with the US economy and the US institutions like health care. They will be a disaster for the rights of women and will wreck the economy that is finally starting to turn for the better.

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We shall see my friend. :mrgreen:

lpast said:

Ive said right along the debates can change everything...The debates at this point are Obamas to lose...Obama has to really mistep and if he does romney can come out of the debates in a much better position...but just as romney is in debate training...so is obama and he certainly has the edge in being a better speaker and debater

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I can't wait until they ask Romney on his flip flop on ER healthcare. That was his reasoning on the mandate. In fact there was a point when he praised Obamacare for having a mandate. Get out the popcorn.

Grim17 said:

We shall see my friend. :mrgreen:

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That we shall, and I will be watching all of them.

Krhazy said:

Simple question. Predict whether the debates will produce a game change.

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Yes....

When it comes to economic issues and jobs what can Obama possibly say? "It's not my fault?"

Those on the fence wont want to hear that nonsense...

Obama should be fairly easy to destroy in debate....

Ryan vs Biden is the debate I'm looking forward to. Ryan will make Biden look like an angry 3rd grade bully.

pbrauer said:

I can't wait until they ask Romney on his flip flop on ER healthcare. That was his reasoning on the mandate. In fact there was a point when he praised Obamacare for having a mandate. Get out the popcorn.

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The Tenth Amendment is a simple answer not to mention owning up to ones mistakes is another.

Any intelligent, articulate and informed individual could destroy Obama in a debate.

I mean if I was asked that question I would say: Romney care was a popular piece of legislation which was passed utilizing our Tenth Amendment - the program failed and we learn from our mistakes....

Honesty is always the best policy.

pbrauer said:

I can't wait until they ask Romney on his flip flop on ER healthcare. That was his reasoning on the mandate. In fact there was a point when he praised Obamacare for having a mandate. Get out the popcorn.

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yeah. :roll: he's totally unprepared to deal with that question. because he didn't spend the last year and a half practicing it in front of actively hostile republican audiences.

Mr.Nick said:

Yes....

When it comes to economic issues and jobs what can Obama possibly say? "It's not my fault?"

Those on the fence wont want to hear that nonsense...

Obama should be fairly easy to destroy in debate....

Ryan vs Biden is the debate I'm looking forward to. Ryan will make Biden look like an angry 3rd grade bully.

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Yep, bottom of the ninth, down by 3, bases empty and 2 out.... but we have the big stick just called up from Omaha.... he is going to save us. Just you watch.

Many of us appreciate that all hope springs eternal. In America, it ain't over until its over. But, realistically, it will take a dramatic comeback to overtake the damage that has already been done to the Romney campaign by Romney and his party. Not impossible, just improbable.

Grim17 said:

Whatever you say... See you in November

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I have an idea we won't be hearing much from you for a couple weeks in November.

Loki97 said:

I have an idea we won't be hearing much from you for a couple weeks in November.

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Why is that?

I will still be here, and I'm not the type of person who gloats, so I won't be rubbing the Romney victory in you all's faces.

Grim17 said:

Why is that?

I will still be here, and I'm not the type of person who gloats, so I won't be rubbing the Romney victory in you all's faces.

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Just thought there might be a required mourning period when the reality of four more years of Obama hits home.

Loki97 said:

Just thought there might be a required mourning period when the reality of four more years of Obama hits home.

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Don't say things like that... What if it really happened?

Can you imagine the damage to the country 4 more years of "Hope & Change" would inflict? I mean, do you really want the American economy to collapse?

Grim17 said:

Don't say things like that... What if it really happened?

Can you imagine the damage to the country 4 more years of "Hope & Change" would inflict? I mean, do you really want the American economy to collapse?

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Do you really believe the average progressive has any idea about economics? Obamy is the president and even he doesn't know. The typical progressive mindset is: "I know nothing about economics or anything else but I trust Obama."

Of course in 4 years when the economy is about to implode they will blame Romney for QE3 (which is economic suicide IMO)...

I'm 32 and we wont be economically balanced (if ever) until I'm in my 60's..... If our economy does start getting better we will have a crisis with gold prices plummeting which will certainly factor into any growth.

The only possible way to avoid all that is to go back to the gold standard and burn all the excess bills.

IndepCentristMA said:

yup... the kind of sociopath who founds an industry changing company and leads it successfully for 20 years.... rescues the Salt Lake City Games... manages a state out of its fiscal crisis... and has saved numerous people from near death experiences...


Could it be, that some people's impressions of the guy are wrong, because advancing the negative stereotype suits their purpose?


Again, when it doubt, refer to the stats to back it up... talk is cheap... Romney has about 30 years experience as an executive of large organizations in bussiness, non-governmental organizations, and government... and he hasn't failed once to deliver promising results..

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CEOs are "monarchs" though.

They command, they don't compromise.

So its not a foregone conclusion that he would make a good presjdent.

Besides, a HUGE part of the presidents job is to inspire and reassure.

And Romneys a cold fish. He just seems like he's pretending to be a normal guy and at any moment he'll release the hounds.

Anagram said:

I doubt it, but it's possible. The way the debates are structured, I think if there is a game change, it'll be because one of them says something pretty stupid.

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Mycroft said:

I don't think so...unless one or the other says something really stupid.

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That's exactly what I was planning to say.

What if...? said:

CEOs are "monarchs" though.

They command, they don't compromise.

So its not a foregone conclusion that he would make a good presjdent.

Besides, a HUGE part of the presidents job is to inspire and reassure.

And Romneys a cold fish. He just seems like he's pretending to be a normal guy and at any moment he'll release the hounds.

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How is Romney any different than a small business owner considering supply and demand plays a role in every business?

Some people play the lotto, others play the ponies and Romney is a bad guy for playing venture capitalist and is successful at it?

haymarket said:

We in the Leon Trotsky Marching Band and Diorama Builders Society feel left out.

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Vote for Obama.

You'll fit right in.

Mr.Nick said:

Ryan vs Biden is the debate I'm looking forward to. Ryan will make Biden look like an angry 3rd grade bully.

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If I remember correctly, they said the same about the Biden vs Palin debate.

Ryan should probably win, I agree. But that is the most dangerous place to be in.

cpwill said:

yeah. :roll: he's totally unprepared to deal with that question. because he didn't spend the last year and a half practicing it in front of actively hostile republican audiences.

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He will do what hes always done even through the entire primary and the many debates...try and avoid the question

Mr.Nick said:

How is Romney any different than a small business owner considering supply and demand plays a role in every business?

Some people play the lotto, others play the ponies and Romney is a bad guy for playing venture capitalist and is successful at it?

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Thats not my point.

We live in a democracy. A VERY divided democracy, at this point in time.

A CEO is a dictator. His word is law in a corporate setting. (Theres a board, but he doesnt have to consider EVERYBODY in the company).

So his ability to compromise and bring everybody together may not be particularly developed.

So he may not have what it takes to be a good president.

Grim17 said:

The debates are Obama's worse nightmare... That's because the American people, especially independents and the undecided, will learn a few things that they didn't really know or had forgotten based on the skewed media coverage of the campaign.

1. They will get to hear the list of failures of the Obama administration.
2. They will be told exactly how dismal the Obama recovery has actually been.
3. They will understand exactly how much debt Obama has run up.
4. They will discover that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good, decent men that are intelligent, knowledgeable and are far more qualified to bring the American economy back to life, than Obama could ever dream of being.

It will be one man with a bunch of tired promises and platitudes, versus one with the know how and a track record of success.

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You have encapsulated the fatal flaw of the Republican strategy. You can not just win the presidency by winning those four points. Even if you convinced the electorate of 1-3, winning #4 is not sufficient to win the presidency. No one is going to vote for you because your are smart, knowledgeable men. You are an unproven commodity AND you failed to tell us what you are going to do differently.

The Republicans have made the fatal mistake of believing that all you have to do is convince the electorate that Obama did a bad job and you win. That is incredibly naive.

Then, of course, there is the whole matter the Romney offers nothing but the Bush economic doctrine, which ain't going to sell. While much of the electorate blames Obama, substantially all of the electorate knows he was handed a very bad hand by Bush.

Romney can not win if he keeps his mouth closed and he will certainly lose if he opens his mouth and tells us what he will do.

upsideguy said:

1. You are an unproven commodity AND you failed to tell us what you are going to do differently.

2. Then, of course, there is the whole matter the Romney offers nothing but the Bush economic doctrine, which ain't going to sell.

3. While much of the electorate blames Obama, substantially all of the electorate knows he was handed a very bad hand by Bush.

4. Romney can not win if he keeps his mouth closed and he will certainly lose if he opens his mouth and tells us what he will do.

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I am not surprised by those who constantly repeat the Democratic koolaid mantra. Y'all know that repetition of inaccurate or spun information tends to be considered truth. However, once again, I feel the need to point out the flaws in your statements.

1. Romney has a lifetime of accomplishments that prove his abilities...much more, in fact, than Obama did when he was elected. Romney has constantly expressed what he will do that is different from what Obama has and wants to do. Your decision not to listen to him, read his website or consider his record doesn't mean all that information is not available. You are wearing blinders and trying to convince people there is nothing to see. Take them off...look around...THEN talk to us.

2. You just got finished saying Romney hasn't said what he will do, but now you say that he has said he wants to do the same things Bush wanted to do. You really need to make up your mind if you want to be considered credible.

3. Ahhh...here it is again. Excuse Obama because of what he got handed by Bush. When will you EVER hold Obama responsible for his actions?

4. Romney's mouth hasn't been shut...the ears of people like you have been closed.

Grim17 said:

Don't say things like that... What if it really happened?

Can you imagine the damage to the country 4 more years of "Hope & Change" would inflict? I mean, do you really want the American economy to collapse?

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We survived Bush, we can survive Obama.

disneydude said:

Nobody is saying that they look good, but you can't look at them in a vacuum, you have to look at them in perspective...and when you look at where we are from where we were when Obama took office, I think you would be hard pressed not to say that 40+ months of job growth is a marked improvement over hundreds of thousands of jobs hemorraghing every month. Unemployment is still too high, but compared to where it would have been if Obama hadn't pressed for the changes that he did..it certainly is an improvement.

Couple that with the fact that Obama also got the job done from the previous mess of a foreign policy that the previous administration left....

The bottom line is....Obama can certainly be attacked on his record, but he certainly can also defend it.

Romney refuses to even address his record because he knows that he cannot defend it.

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No one is saying they look good... because no one is saying anything about them right now... It's a non-issue in this campaign, because the liberal MSM has wanted it that way...

The president has been running from his record and has not had a sustained challenge about it since the Republican primaries ended...

The only appearance of them was when one of the Democrats was interviewed about whether are better off than we were four years ago outside the convention preperations, and honestly answered that we aren't... and then a backlash of rephasing and condemning occured in which Democrats in unison pretended that we are doing so well and the economy is great... It's not...

When the debates occur it will become center stage...

I agree, that's the defense the president will put up... its the same one he tried to use in the spring, when his numbers were a lot lower... My guess is the same reaction will occur...

Let's also not forget the September job numbers being released in the first week of October...


Because the idea that he prevented higher employment from occuring falsifies the data... the unemployment spiked after they announced that the recession was over... and it has only slowly recovered... and not to an acceptable point...

The massive debt hole he spent us into stimulated the economy... but only for a short period... it failed to jumpstart the economy back into a period of sustained growth, like we saw during the Bush administration after the 2000-2002 recovery... and under Reagan, after the 79-80 and 81-82 recessions...

His policies regarding the punishment of wealth, his intents and constant threats of raised income and capital gains taxes, keeping the corporate income tax rates as high as they are, the increase in entitlement benefits (particularly welfare and unemployment), and the ACA's penalties on companies for hiring have all contributed to the lack of hiring and the motivation for those unemployed to take jobs... and it's what needs to change in order to see a true recovery...

Romney was running on his record and his experience... its the media that's kept trying to distract the race into store bought cookies, birth control pills, tax returns, painted faces, and other meaningless stories... Those aren't issues the Romney campaign brough up... its the constant stream of questions from the 24 hr entertainment media seaching for some gotcha press...

That won't happen on 3 nights in October, where every broadcast station will be airing the debates...