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Will the Debate Produce a Game Change?

Will the Debates Produce a Game Change?

  • The Presidential debates will produce a game changing moment

    Votes: 13 28.3%
  • The VP debate will change the game

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The debates will have no effect on the outcome

    Votes: 23 50.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 21.7%

  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .
I'm honestly not understanding what you are trying to say. Could you please rephrase?

As for Romney being a sociopath, I don't agree with that at all.

A person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience is not a valid term.



Its kinda odd that some people can come up with two are more interpretations of romney.Myself i think of him as a sociopath.:2wave:
 
Its kinda odd that some people can come up with two are more interpretations of romney.Myself i think of him as a sociopath.:2wave:

yup... the kind of sociopath who founds an industry changing company and leads it successfully for 20 years.... rescues the Salt Lake City Games... manages a state out of its fiscal crisis... and has saved numerous people from near death experiences...


Could it be, that some people's impressions of the guy are wrong, because advancing the negative stereotype suits their purpose?


Again, when it doubt, refer to the stats to back it up... talk is cheap... Romney has about 30 years experience as an executive of large organizations in bussiness, non-governmental organizations, and government... and he hasn't failed once to deliver promising results..
 
I'm honestly not understanding what you are trying to say. Could you please rephrase?

As for Romney being a sociopath, I don't agree with that at all.

A person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience is not a valid term.

This quote from Dr. Robert Hare's book, describes my take on romney to a T “Psychopaths feel that their abilities will enable them to become anything they want to be “.

More of the symptoms of psychopathy are the lack of a conscience,guilt, lack of empathy, egocentricity, pathological lying,,, shallow emotions, and a history of victimizing others.

So tell me what am i missing here?The only thing that i can think of is giving mittens a PCL-R checklist test.:2wave:
 
I think that your interpretation pretty much covers all of our politicians.


This quote from Dr. Robert Hare's book, describes my take on romney to a T “Psychopaths feel that their abilities will enable them to become anything they want to be “.

More of the symptoms of psychopathy are the lack of a conscience,guilt, lack of empathy, egocentricity, pathological lying,,, shallow emotions, and a history of victimizing others.

So tell me what am i missing here?The only thing that i can think of is giving mittens a PCL-R checklist test.:2wave:
 
no, there will be no game changer.... and these debates are not debates, they're live campaign ads.
 
Wait... this ought to be moved into the breaking news forum then... You're saying we are out of an economic disaster...

I thought we were still in one... $16T in debt, 43 straight months of unemployment over 8%, and gasoline prices averaging over $3.75/gal nationally...

Far be it for me to say, but those numbers don't look good...


Nobody is saying that they look good, but you can't look at them in a vacuum, you have to look at them in perspective...and when you look at where we are from where we were when Obama took office, I think you would be hard pressed not to say that 40+ months of job growth is a marked improvement over hundreds of thousands of jobs hemorraghing every month. Unemployment is still too high, but compared to where it would have been if Obama hadn't pressed for the changes that he did..it certainly is an improvement.

Couple that with the fact that Obama also got the job done from the previous mess of a foreign policy that the previous administration left....

The bottom line is....Obama can certainly be attacked on his record, but he certainly can also defend it.

Romney refuses to even address his record because he knows that he cannot defend it.
 
The problem with much of your statement... It was when Romney went on the offensive and took charge of the debates in FL and AZ that he finished off his opponents and won the nomination...

I'd much rather Romney on the offensive than playing safe... Romney gets into trouble when he sounds wishy washy and defensive about issues...

If the expectation is Obama is going to wipe the floor with Romney, and Romney has to come out and attack... I really like that scenario in favor of Romney...


Plus, the biggest thing the debates will do... PUT THE ISSUES AS THE FOCUS AGAIN!!!!

I'm so sick of the 24hr entertainment news media being the ones who are driving what's spoken about during this election...

For 3 nights, the majority of the TV's in this country will be watching the same program (that isn't NFL Football)... and that will be a center stage showpiece for two of the most intellectual candidates we have had in some time to square off (I honestly could say not since JFK vs Nixon are there two viable intellectual minds up there on the stage, with the potential exception of Carter vs Reagan), and hopefully issues are what are discussed...

This will likely be the first time during the entire campaign, where Obama will not be able to avoid his record... and will be facing a barage of questions regarding it...

Of course he's gonna pretend to be the cool guy during it, and it's just gonna make him look like a fool... who is out of his league...

As Williard's head cheer leader you really do live in a fantasy world don't you? Less than 20% of the population watched the first debate in 2004. I'm betting the vast majority of them already had their minds made up before the debates and the percentage who aren't undecided will be even greater this year. All Obama has to do is play defense and either wait for the silver spooner to say something exceptionally stupid or just make sure there isn't any headline grabbing victory for Mitt. Considering the man has the charm and charisma of a slug, the latter isn't likely anyway. Romney didn't finish off any of his primary opponents. They self destructed on their own by either showing they were idiots(Caine, Bachmann) or such extremists they could never get elected(Santorum, Bachmann again). The only exception was Gingrich and everyone knew he was only running to boost book sales. The GOP picked the person with the best chance out of a truly miserable field but he's proven repeatedly he can't hit the long ball. Expecting a grand slam out of him now is pure delusion, especially when Obama can intentionally walk him and still secure the victory.
 
I have no idea, and I'm really struggling to give a flying **** anymore.
 
The debates will not change a thing cuz Obama already has this in the bag
 
The problem with much of your statement... It was when Romney went on the offensive and took charge of the debates in FL and AZ that he finished off his opponents and won the nomination...

He did, but against the likes of Santorum, Cain, Gingrich, Perry and Bachman. Sorry, they are lightweights. Their positions are either extreme or not very well thought out (or both). So he hit AA pitching, which qualifies him for a shot major league pitching. We will see how that goes on Tuesday.

I'd much rather Romney on the offensive than playing safe... Romney gets into trouble when he sounds wishy washy and defensive about issues...

As I pointed out earlier, and shall restate, Mitt has painted himself into a corner such that he has very little latitude to "go on the offensive". Not to mention, he has been particularly obtuse to date on what he does believe, hence any position he takes in the debate will considered new ground (and given his flip-flop history, unstable ground).

To date, every time he has opened his mouth he has either: 1) offended 1/2 of America; 2) said something that he really believes and offended the Cons (who quickly correct him, making him look like a puppet instead of a leader); or 3) said something so radical that titillates the Cons, but scares the middle. It will be very difficult for him to go anywhere.

If the expectation is Obama is going to wipe the floor with Romney, and Romney has to come out and attack... I really like that scenario in favor of Romney...

No, Mitt is a bright man and well informed. His only problem is that he made the mistake of cow-towing to the right of his party rather than shaking the Etch-A-Sketch and being his own man. As a result, he appears to be a wimp and is boxed in as per above.

Plus, the biggest thing the debates will do... PUT THE ISSUES AS THE FOCUS AGAIN!!!!

Mitt can fault only himself. Why did they waste time twisting off on social issues (welfare) and foreign affairs when there strength once was the economy? They no longer own that issue.

The other fatal flaw of the Romney election strategy was to believe that all they had to do was knock down Obama and expect to be the alternative. Obama is easy to knock down; but you still have to sell yourself. Unfortunately Mitt can not close that deal.

I'm so sick of the 24hr entertainment news media being the ones who are driving what's spoken about during this election...

For 3 nights, the majority of the TV's in this country will be watching the same program (that isn't NFL Football)... and that will be a center stage showpiece for two of the most intellectual candidates we have had in some time to square off (I honestly could say not since JFK vs Nixon are there two viable intellectual minds up there on the stage, with the potential exception of Carter vs Reagan), and hopefully issues are what are discussed...

Hear, Hear!

This will likely be the first time during the entire campaign, where Obama will not be able to avoid his record... and will be facing a barage of questions regarding it...

... but that barrage of questions begets questions such as "what would you do, Mitt"? And, soon as he sounds like GW Bush or suggests tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by vague assertions about eliminating deductions (of the middle class) he steps into the trap well set by the Dems: that he will favor the rich the expense of everyone else.

Dem Dems spent all summer setting Romney up as an out of touch rich man that was more than happy to outsource your job, crater your employer and walk away with millions leaving the carnage of closed manufacturing plant in your town as a daily reminder of how he screwed you. The reason his 47% comments have almost mortally ruined the Romney campaign is the Dems effectively created the question and that video tape from Florida was the smoking gun of proof.

Of course he's gonna pretend to be the cool guy during it, and it's just gonna make him look like a fool... who is out of his league...

The coolest thing about presidential debates is that challenger gets to stand on the stage, toe-to-toe with the POTUS, as his equal for a couple of hours. People that don't see Romney as presidential get the benefit of the fantasy of seeing him as a POTUS equivalent. Of course, he needs to use that forum effectively. Neither party can appear condescending to the other, or they blow it. Historically, the challenger gets a minor bump from the debate. Lord knows Romney needs some positive news.

Fire up the popcorn and chill the beer. Looking forward to the debate, but not the traffic, as will be held at University of Denver, about 5 miles from my home.
 
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I wouldn’t go so far as assuming “no impact” but it’ll be minimal. Both these guys are solid, bright people and the information flow (ads, news coverage) make the debates small potatoes in the overall picture. The damage and gains they’ll be able to do to and make on each other is minimal at most.
 
I don't think so...unless one or the other says something really stupid.

Somebody will say something stupid, and it will be Joe Biden, the Democrats' answer to Dan Quayle. :mrgreen:
 
I think the game will change, but not the way the republicans would like it. It will make the race that much easier for the president. Romney just doesn't look presidential when talking about stuff like foreign affairs and he will be attacked on his flops and his health care plan and how his plan used the same taxation/penalty as the Obama plan does.

Then in the VP debate the very vocal (especially on civil liberty issues) Biden will go after Ryan for his tax plan, his plan for vouchers and his anti-women issues.
 
There is always a chance one of the four of them could have a critically bad moment, but I don't think it's likely there will be a "game changer", an event that will dramatically effect the out come. Everyone of them will be in "do no harm" mode.
 
The toughest question Obama has been asked this campaign season was from Al Jazeera. Not much probing from MSM, The View or David Letterman. If Romney gets to ask him a real question regarding why our economy sucks under his tutillage, I think Romney will win hands down. Don't expect the Liberal moderaters from MSM to ask the "Chosen One" anything tougher than "Did your wife pick out your shirt this morning, YES or NO?"
 
when you look at where we are from where we were when Obama took office, I think you would be hard pressed not to say that 40+ months of job growth is a marked improvement over hundreds of thousands of jobs hemorraghing every month.

Couple that with the fact that Obama also got the job done from the previous mess of a foreign policy that the previous administration left....

Don't you libs get it? It takes 150000 new jobs each month just to keep up with people due to enter the job market. We have lost 500000 NET jobs since Obama took office, and that does not include the people who who are so dejected they have just quit looking. Unemployment above 8% over the last 4 years is nearly unprecedented. Walk around any small town in America and tell me O is doing his job. Yea, I know it is all Bush's fault...darn, I can't seem to find the "snoooooooz" emoticon.
 
I think the game will change, but not the way the republicans would like it. It will make the race that much easier for the president. Romney just doesn't look presidential when talking about stuff like foreign affairs and he will be attacked on his flops and his health care plan and how his plan used the same taxation/penalty as the Obama plan does.

Then in the VP debate the very vocal (especially on civil liberty issues) Biden will go after Ryan for his tax plan, his plan for vouchers and his anti-women issues.

I do believe Ryan is quite capable of making Biden look stupid. Heck, anyone can do that. Heck, Biden does that to himself.
 
The debates are Obama's worse nightmare... That's because the American people, especially independents and the undecided, will learn a few things that they didn't really know or had forgotten based on the skewed media coverage of the campaign.

1. They will get to hear the list of failures of the Obama administration.
2. They will be told exactly how dismal the Obama recovery has actually been.
3. They will understand exactly how much debt Obama has run up.
4. They will discover that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good, decent men that are intelligent, knowledgeable and are far more qualified to bring the American economy back to life, than Obama could ever dream of being.

It will be one man with a bunch of tired promises and platitudes, versus one with the know how and a track record of success.
 
the debates do have the potential to change the game
but it's all up to romney

last time out, Obama faced mccain. no contest
this time he will be debating a person of substance and intellect

Obama cannot change his administration's history
but mitt - if he can summon the courage - can - and should - be himself
he should speak as if he were president, describing the very changes he would make to move our nation forward. even if those things are incongruent with the reich wing. make that especially if he will have the balls to distance himself from the teabaggers. he now has the candidacy. it's not like they are going to vote for Obama
in that 47% presentation mitt got something very right. it is the uncommitted independents in the middle, the six to eight percent, who will decide the outcome of this election. if he can prove to them that he will preside for the next four years better than Obama has the past four years, only then will he have a chance at winning
but he must be substantive in his views. he must distance himself from the extremists in his party. and he must have - and be able to articulate - a clear, better vision for our country, and explain how that can and will be achieved

that is romney's only hope to prevail
i don't think he has the gonads to do it
but i would love for him to prove me wrong
 
I do believe Ryan is quite capable of making Biden look stupid. Heck, anyone can do that. Heck, Biden does that to himself.

Biden is the king of looking stupid, but he is also able to make Ryan look like the out of touch with the average American man/woman that Ryan truly is.
 
The debates are Obama's worse nightmare... That's because the American people, especially independents and the undecided, will learn a few things that they didn't really know or had forgotten based on the skewed media coverage of the campaign.

1. They will get to hear the list of failures of the Obama administration.
2. They will be told exactly how dismal the Obama recovery has actually been.
3. They will understand exactly how much debt Obama has run up.
4. They will discover that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good, decent men that are intelligent, knowledgeable and are far more qualified to bring the American economy back to life, than Obama could ever dream of being.

It will be one man with a bunch of tired promises and platitudes, versus one with the know how and a track record of success.
They will hear a man, Romney, who has yet given given any specifics on how he will give a 20% tax break to everyone, grow the military and still be revenue neutral. I expect Romney coming out the debate smelling like a pig sty. :mrgreen:
 
Ive said right along the debates can change everything...The debates at this point are Obamas to lose...Obama has to really mistep and if he does romney can come out of the debates in a much better position...but just as romney is in debate training...so is obama and he certainly has the edge in being a better speaker and debater
 
The debates are Obama's worse nightmare... That's because the American people, especially independents and the undecided, will learn a few things that they didn't really know or had forgotten based on the skewed media coverage of the campaign.

1. They will get to hear the list of failures of the Obama administration.
2. They will be told exactly how dismal the Obama recovery has actually been.
3. They will understand exactly how much debt Obama has run up.
4. They will discover that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are good, decent men that are intelligent, knowledgeable and are far more qualified to bring the American economy back to life, than Obama could ever dream of being.

It will be one man with a bunch of tired promises and platitudes, versus one with the know how and a track record of success.

Then Romney will click his heels together three times while saying "There's no place like home" and suddenly appear in Kansas... only to find it's been moved into the tossup column.
 
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