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Fla. voter registration fraud charge has ties to Romney

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I'm sure we all remember ACORN. Looks like the Republicans in Florida were trying to emulate their image of ACORN

Fla. voter registration fraud charge has ties to Romney

The Republican Party of Florida’s top recipient of 2012 expenditures, a firm by the name of Strategic Allied Consulting, was just fired on Tuesday night, after more than 100 apparently fraudulent voter registration forms were discovered to have been turned in by the group to the Palm Beach County, FL Supervisor of Elections.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Strategic Allied Consulting has been paid some $667,000 this year by the Florida GOP, presumably to run its voter registration campaigns in the state. That number, however, does not account for another identical payment made in August. The Palm Beach Post is reporting tonight that the firm received “more than $1.3 million” from the Republican Party of Florida “to register new voters.”
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ACORN was falsely accused of fraudulent voter registration despite the fact that every instance was actually the result of individuals acting illegally and in almost every case it was ACORN that notified authorities of the problems. This case looks like this was a top-down deliberate attempt to mess with the voter rolls where I live.


and . . . $1.3 million for voter registration in just one county! Talk about poor leadership and business practices. Just another case of the GOP showing that it really doesn't practice what it preaches. As with the disclosure that the Romney campaign is paying its employees nearly twice as much as the Obama campaign pays its workers, it is looking more and more that the "big spending Dems" have a better grasp of economics than the supposed "job creators" and "deficit hawks"
 
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The word IRONIC does not do this justice.
 
It sounds more like just skimming off campaign money for individual's pockets, making up some excuse about what the money (didn't) go for.
 
....so last year some time Romney hired Sproul to do.....something.

And now a company that "appears to be shell company" for Sproul hired people who submitted fraudulent voter forms.

I like how instead of actually focusing on the potential fraud, all Salon seems interested in doing is trying to connect this to Romney as best as he can. What saddens me is people will immediately jump in with "OMG, Romney's instructing his team to register fictitious voters!".
 
tessaesque said:
....so last year some time Romney hired Sproul to do.....something.

And now a company that "appears to be shell company" for Sproul hired people who submitted fraudulent voter forms.

I like how instead of actually focusing on the potential fraud, all Salon seems interested in doing is trying to connect this to Romney as best as he can. What saddens me is people will immediately jump in with "OMG, Romney's instructing his team to register fictitious voters!".
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Rather I would say it is just another instance of Romney delegating necessary tasks to the incompetent - showing just what kind of an executive he truly is.

The Romney campaign . . . is relying on the Republican National Committee for the bulk of its voter registration and mobilization program this fall.
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Somerville said:
Rather I would say it is just another instance of Romney delegating necessary tasks to the incompetent - showing just what kind of an executive he truly is.
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The RNC shouldn't be incompetent, first of all. Secondly, I see no proven instances of any issues in the articles I read, except in Florida. Name me one organize or company that has 100% control over the actions of all of its volunteers or employees. Just one.

I'll wait.
 
tessaesque said:
....so last year some time Romney hired Sproul to do.....something.

And now a company that "appears to be shell company" for Sproul hired people who submitted fraudulent voter forms.

I like how instead of actually focusing on the potential fraud, all Salon seems interested in doing is trying to connect this to Romney as best as he can. What saddens me is people will immediately jump in with "OMG, Romney's instructing his team to register fictitious voters!".
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Yeah, the right NEVER did that with Obama did they? :roll:

With that aside, no, I don't Romney was involved with this. Only pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides. Some on the left defended ACORN and now are trying to pin this one on Romney, while some on the right are defending this while they tried to pin ACORN on Obama.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, the right NEVER did that with Obama did they? :roll:

With that aside, no, I don't Romney was involved with this. Only pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides. Some on the left defended ACORN and now are trying to pin this one on Romney, while some on the right are defending this while they tried to pin ACORN on Obama.
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You know, TNE, if this thread were about Obama I likely could have made similar comments.

But is wasn't.

So drop the nonsense accusations and implications, k? There is no reason anybody critical of an article's intentions should have to preface or conclude their statements with "And as far as the other side goes (blah blah blah, balance, equality, balance)."
 
tessaesque said:
You know, TNE, if this thread were about Obama I likely could have made similar comments.

But is wasn't.

So drop the nonsense accusations and implications, k? There is no reason anybody critical of an article's intentions should have to preface or conclude their statements with "And as far as the other side goes (blah blah blah, balance, equality, balance)."
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What I said was the truth and I did not imply anything that YOU have said or done. If you took it as that, I can't help that. Maybe you have a guilty concious.

I said I don't think Romney is involved and I pointed out hypocrisy of BOTH sides. If you don't like it, tough, deal with it.
 
TheNextEra said:
What I said was the truth and I did not imply anything that YOU have said or done. If you took it as that, I can't help that. Maybe you have a guilty concious.

I said I don't think Romney is involved and I pointed out hypocrisy of BOTH sides. If you don't like it, tough, deal with it.
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You quoted my post, so feigning innocence is a little...questionable. But whatever.
 
tessaesque said:
....so last year some time Romney hired Sproul to do.....something.

And now a company that "appears to be shell company" for Sproul hired people who submitted fraudulent voter forms.

I like how instead of actually focusing on the potential fraud, all Salon seems interested in doing is trying to connect this to Romney as best as he can. What saddens me is people will immediately jump in with "OMG, Romney's instructing his team to register fictitious voters!".
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Yea, agree with you. I know that the other side would try the same thing if they thought they could link something like his to Obama, but it doesn't make me want to do it to Romney.

It does seem like lots of money though. Hope it all gets settled out.
 
tessaesque said:
You quoted my post, so feigning innocence is a little...questionable. But whatever.
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I quoted your post because I was agreeing that Romney was not involved and it had tones similiar to that of ACORN and Obama where Obama was not involved either.

I don't really care how you take it. What I posted was factual and I stated what I meant by it. If you choose to ignore that and have a guilty concious, it's little concern to me.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Yea, agree with you. I know that the other side would try the same thing if they thought they could link something like this to Obama, but it doesn't make me want to do it to Romney.

It does seem like lots of money though. Hope it all gets settled out.
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The payments to Sproul or to the group in Florida? 'Cause both are kind of large.
 
Somerville said:
Rather I would say it is just another instance of Romney delegating necessary tasks to the incompetent - showing just what kind of an executive he truly is.
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I can't imagine any candidate being in charge of his campaign down to that detail. You can say that it shows that Romney isn't picking the right people to run his campaign, but I don't think you can say that it's his fault for delegating tasks. You have to do that period with the kind of schedule he is seeing.
 
Somerville said:
I'm sure we all remember ACORN. Looks like the Republicans in Florida were trying to emulate their image of ACORN






ACORN was falsely accused of fraudulent voter registration despite the fact that every instance was actually the result of individuals acting illegally and in almost every case it was ACORN that notified authorities of the problems. This case looks like this was a top-down deliberate attempt to mess with the voter rolls where I live.


and . . . $1.3 million for voter registration in just one county! Talk about poor leadership and business practices. Just another case of the GOP showing that it really doesn't practice what it preaches. As with the disclosure that the Romney campaign is paying its employees nearly twice as much as the Obama campaign pays its workers, it is looking more and more that the "big spending Dems" have a better grasp of economics than the supposed "job creators" and "deficit hawks"
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IMHO, this does not have much to do with Republican attempts at voter registration fraud, but has a lot to do with the company they hired, that did this out of greed, rather than ideology. Whenever money is involved, you are going to have incidents like this. Happens to Democrats, and yes, happens to Republicans too.

And how do you tie Romney to this? I've just GOT to hear this pretzel of an explanation. LOL.
 
The thing I find disturbing is this from the article:

a longtime, notorious Republican operative, hired year after year by GOP Presidential campaigns, despite being accused of shredding Democratic voter registration forms in a number of states over several past elections.
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If the guy's done it before, why do they keep hiring him?

From this thread, I find the Conservative excusing of it disturbing. If this were ACORN and the lefties excused it, well that would be "Proof that Democrats want to cheat!" Where's that outrage for this? I mean, it's par for the course around here (If it's your side, make excuses, question the source...you know, the usual **** we're all guilty of.)
 
rocket88 said:
The thing I find disturbing is this from the article:



If the guy's done it before, why do they keep hiring him?

From this thread, I find the Conservative excusing of it disturbing. If this were ACORN and the lefties excused it, well that would be "Proof that Democrats want to cheat!" Where's that outrage for this? I mean, it's par for the course around here (If it's your side, make excuses, question the source...you know, the usual **** we're all guilty of.)
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I think the bigger question is: If he's been accused of these actions multiple times, how come enough evidence has not surfaced to charge him with a crime? And if evidence doesn't exist to charge him with a crime, why should those who hire him be lambasted for doing so? Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Acorn still exists in a modified form, even with the small amount of evidence available to suggest wrong doing that wasn't caught and reported by insiders (as the article states).
 
The expression, "where there's smoke, there's fire" comes to mind. This guy's firms have been accused of voter fraud on many occasions. That should be enough to warn off a reputable campaign from hiring him. If you're looking for a contractor and see that there numerous complaints of fraud lodged against him, is that really the guy you're going to go with? Of course not.

What these people appear to have done is magnitudes worse than anything ACORN did, and it is hypocrisy of the highest order for Republicans to defend them, after they literally hounded ACORN out of existence.
 
tessaesque said:
I think the bigger question is: If he's been accused of these actions multiple times, how come enough evidence has not surfaced to charge him with a crime? And if evidence doesn't exist to charge him with a crime, why should those who hire him be lambasted for doing so? Innocent until proven guilty, right?
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Politics is all about perception. Considering the GOP's sudden "concern" about voter fraud, hiring this guy seems questionable. You'd think they'd want to avoid all appearances of having their own version of ACORN. You know as well as I do that if you changed it to "Democrats" and "ACORN" the usual suspects around here would be jumping all over it, and you wouldn't get Rush to shut up about it.
 
rocket88 said:
Politics is all about perception. Considering the GOP's sudden "concern" about voter fraud, hiring this guy seems questionable. You'd think they'd want to avoid all appearances of having their own version of ACORN. You know as well as I do that if you changed it to "Democrats" and "ACORN" the usual suspects around here would be jumping all over it, and you wouldn't get Rush to shut up about it.
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I don't listen to Rush, so I'll take your word for it on that one.

As for the other...it's possible, but Acorn has confirmed cases of voter fraud, and this guy just has allegations. It's a slight difference, but it is a difference.
 
tessaesque said:
I think the bigger question is: If he's been accused of these actions multiple times, how come enough evidence has not surfaced to charge him with a crime? And if evidence doesn't exist to charge him with a crime, why should those who hire him be lambasted for doing so? Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Acorn still exists in a modified form, even with the small amount of evidence available to suggest wrong doing that wasn't caught and reported by insiders (as the article states).
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My Question _ Also- If___ Nathan Sproul_ the Shell Company was hired previously- from 2004 _ allegedly until now_ by the GOP Of the different candidates- Why haven't they been investigated and charged_
per the law _ Voter registration_ IF- proven to violate Legality is punishable as a felony-- by 5 years Jail time and a fine per instance of violation_ Of $5000. thous- I was Unable to find any record of Jail time for this company_ Interesting_ Maybe someone else can find a record for this company_
 
zhak said:
My Question _ Also- If___ Nathan Sproul_ the Shell Company was hired previously- from 2004 _ allegedly until now_ by the GOP Of the different candidates- Why haven't they been investigated and charged_
per the law _ Voter registration_ IF- proven to violate Legality is punishable as a felony-- by 5 years Jail time and a fine per instance of violation_ Of $5000. thous- I was Unable to find any record of Jail time for this company_ Interesting_ Maybe someone else can find a record for this company_
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Please don't take offense to this, but it is really, really hard to read your posts for comprehension with all of the underscores.
 
tessaesque said:
I don't listen to Rush, so I'll take your word for it on that one.

As for the other...it's possible, but Acorn has confirmed cases of voter fraud, and this guy just has allegations. It's a slight difference, but it is a difference.
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No, there were no cases of voter fraud with respect to ACORN. What there were were falsified registrations, which were reported BY ACCORN.
 
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