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What’s Wrong With Pennsylvania?

clownboy said:
Meh, these unnamed places/states, as bad as they may be (haven't lived in one myself) don't make PA look any better as a place to call home. I guess you could convince us it's better than living in say, Detroit, but again, a list of what's right about PA is going to be a whole lot shorter than what the OP asks for.
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Ho hum. I moved here from the PNW and I vastly prefer it to Oregon. Maybe you shouldn't judge places based on a television program.

It definitely has its problems. Entire industries have either died or are dying, and the working class is feeling it. It SHOULD be a state that's right up Romney's alley, and in many places it is. It's being held blue by the cities, youth, and a base of those workers who don't trust Romney and the Republicans to understand their problems.

The biggest complaints I hear about Obama regard coal and guns. And Obama hasn't actually done anything about their guns.
 
clownboy said:
Meh, these unnamed places/states, as bad as they may be (haven't lived in one myself) don't make PA look any better as a place to call home. I guess you could convince us it's better than living in say, Detroit, but again, a list of what's right about PA is going to be a whole lot shorter than what the OP asks for.
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Most of my experience with living under the wondrous red state banner is from living in Indiana for five years about 100 miles N. of Indy. Until I lived there I never realized Appalachia extended that far. Most of the populace are extremely intolerant evangelicals and they are highly distrusting and prejudiced against any outsiders due, in large part, to their own educational inadequacy and inability to compete with those from less regressive environments. Local and state government is corrupt beyond anything I've experienced before or since and they are somewhere around 40 years behind civilization on basic issues like equal treatment of women. Luckily, most people with any brains or ability flee the state as soon as possible. I will say that if you have a modicum of wealth you might enjoy being the big fish in a mud puddle there. They will fall all over themselves hoping to be tossed a few scraps much as mainstream conservatives fawn all over born rich corporate raiders like Romney.
 
Samhain said:
Penn is all about coal. Drive up and down the turnpike, and you will see hundreds of billboards toting coal as the best thing since.....coal.
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I can agree that coal is the best thing since coal.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Exactly. Romney was talking about the 47% of this country that is on welfare.
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No he wasn’t. Besides the number on welfare not being that big, he was explicit:
…These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax…
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Even with just the basic deductions that can include someone pulling in the national average salary (roughly 50K/yr) with a spouse and 6 kids.

Romney took a clear shot at the working class, that he’ll “never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Classy!
 
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clownboy said:
Better to ask, what isn't wrong with Pennsylvania - much shorter list. One has only to watch those parking enforcement reality series and the question immediately comes to mind, "why in God's name would anyone live there?".
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Philly is a nasty town. Whenever I wonder what London would have looked like in the 1800's when everybody burned to cook and heat with, I just think "Oh yeah, Philadelphia"--go south a few miles toward West Chester/Wilmington, and it gets much better. It just depends on where you go, but Philly seems uniquely bad.
 
Objective-J said:
uhm what country are you talking about?
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The one where Chicago Southside Welfare Queens drive Cadillacs to the lemonade springs on Big Rock Candy Mountain.
 
Dwight said:
The one where Chicago Southside Welfare Queens drive Cadillacs to the lemonade springs on Big Rock Candy Mountain.
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Oh so a made up country in fantasyland. Ok got it, now your post makes sense because it didnt before.
 
Jeepers!.....how could a first rate, fair and unbiased news organization like the New York Times completely ignore and discard a poll conducted by the Pittsburgh Tribune Review from September 18-20? Could it possibly be because the poll shows Romney trailing by only 2 points?
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Two percentage points separate President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney in a state poll conducted for the Tribune-Review, even though the campaigns largely are ignoring Pennsylvania and concentrating on other battlegrounds.

Obama polled 47 percent to Romney's 45 percent among likely Pennsylvania voters, with 6 percent of voters undecided and 44 days until Election Day, according to the survey by Susquehanna Polling & Research. The survey of 800 voters, conducted Sept. 18-20, has a margin of error of 3.46 percentage points


Read more: Poll: The presidential race is tight in Pennsylvania | TribLIVE
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Dwight said:
There grandfather's generation were still lynching an uppity boys like Obama. That hatred was actively fostered in lower class whites for political control of lower class whites, and that didn't stop when the lynchings did in the 60's. Reagan's Southern Strategy perpetuated it, with things like the Welfare Queen myth. Further there is the suspicion and loathing of technocrats, which is very much what Obama, and the general 'culture clash' on other issues (even if it doesn't involve anything Obama has or is likely to attempt in office). With a history running that long and deep it isn't surprising at all Obama finds himself loathed.

McCain was thumped in PA in 2008. I don't understand how anyone could have expected the GOP candidate to be competitive in PA muchless a 'lock' unless the election was going GOP across the country and wasn't even close.
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Reagan's southern strategy??? Reagan didn't employ a "southern strategy". He won everywhere.
 
jerry7 said:
Jeepers!.....how could a first rate, fair and unbiased news organization like the New York Times completely ignore and discard a poll conducted by the Pittsburgh Tribune Review from September 18-20? Could it possibly be because the poll shows Romney trailing by only 2 points?
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Two percentage points separate President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney in a state poll conducted for the Tribune-Review, even though the campaigns largely are ignoring Pennsylvania and concentrating on other battlegrounds.

Obama polled 47 percent to Romney's 45 percent among likely Pennsylvania voters, with 6 percent of voters undecided and 44 days until Election Day, according to the survey by Susquehanna Polling & Research. The survey of 800 voters, conducted Sept. 18-20, has a margin of error of 3.46 percentage points


Read more: Poll: The presidential race is tight in Pennsylvania | TribLIVE
Follow us: @triblive on Twitter | triblive on Facebook
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Maybe because Susquehanna Polling and Research is essentially a company that caters to Republicans? I can see why those in denial would view their poll as trumping all others though. Too bad Mitt doesn't seem to see it that way since he still isn't advertising here.
 
Loki97 said:
Maybe because Susquehanna Polling and Research is essentially a company that caters to Republicans? I can see why those in denial would view their poll as trumping all others though. Too bad Mitt doesn't seem to see it that way since he still isn't advertising here.
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They cater to Republicans? Doesn't the washington Post and ABC cater to democrats? Why doesn't the NY Times ignore their polls too?
 
jerry7 said:
They cater to Republicans? Doesn't the washington Post and ABC cater to democrats? Why doesn't the NY Times ignore their polls too?
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Yes, we know, every MSM provider except FOX NEWS is inherently biased. Guess we'll see in a month and a half.
 
jerry7 said:
Reagan's southern strategy??? Reagan didn't employ a "southern strategy". He won everywhere.
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Whether you think he needed it or not, Reagan was whole-on Southern Strategy.

From a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater:
[interviewer] - But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

[Lee Atwater] - You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
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Atwater is talking about what’s often called a “dog whistle”, and Reagan’s Welfare Queen myth is the not-quite-so-subtle part of that.
 
Maybe the question should be what's wrong with Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado? Why are people in these states turning into liberals?
 
Maybe they woke up and looked at the world around them? Republicans are running off a few more groups of people every year. I know how it goes when you piss off a woman and the Repubs pissed off millions this year. Even I have not pissed off a million women. Well we will see how that works out for them.
johnny_rebson said:
Maybe the question should be what's wrong with Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado? Why are people in these states turning into liberals?
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mak2 said:
Maybe they woke up and looked at the world around them? Republicans are running off a few more groups of people every year. I know how it goes when you piss off a woman and the Repubs pissed off millions this year. Even I have not pissed off a million women. Well we will see how that works out for them.
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Even though I almost always disagree with almost everything you say......

Happy Birthday Jarhead! Semper Fi
 
Just what makes a state 'right' ?

Nothing's wrong with them :shrug: they're doing whatever they feel is right.

That's how our country rolls . . . now, after this time has gone by since this was first posted, I'm now offended by the insinuation in the article that they're 'wrong' just because they are culturally different than some other states that are - for all intents and purposes - far the **** away. Physically, culturally, historically.
 
Samhain said:
Penn is all about coal. Drive up and down the turnpike, and you will see hundreds of billboards toting coal as the best thing since.....coal.
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"All politics are local." -- Tip O'Neill
 
Thanks man. I was out at San Diego the last three days, 32 years and 5 days after I got there the first time. My son graduated yesterday from boot camp. Semper Fi.
BACotner said:
Even though I almost always disagree with almost everything you say......

Happy Birthday Jarhead! Semper Fi
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mak2 said:
Thanks man. I was out at San Diego the last three days, 32 years and 5 days after I got there the first time. My son graduated yesterday from boot camp. Semper Fi.
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Congrats! Parris Island myself. September '82. Retired in 2002 and I miss it every day.
 
I got out after 4 years and life worked out pretty good, but I did love it while I was in, my ex wife said it was her or the Corps so I got out then divorced her anyway.

I wandered around MCRD and it really does not seem to have changed much. I recognized a lot of the buildings and the terminology doesn't seemed to have changed a lot. I remember one of my DI's saying the Marine Corps never "really" changes. Maybe he was right.
BACotner said:
Congrats! Parris Island myself. September '82. Retired in 2002 and I miss it every day.
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