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Obama Releasing 1/3 Of Gitmo Detainees

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more presidential pandering

sept 21:

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/09/gitmolist55.pdf

we learned last week that the man most responsible for plotting and carrying out what the white house still calls a spontaneous demonstration in benghazi was one sufyad ben qumu who was released from gitmo in 2007, later freed from a libyan prison, whence he took up arms against ghadafi and, according to the nyt, by leading in libya from the front became to barack obama "an ally of sorts, a remarkable turnabout resulting from shifting american policies rather than any obvious change in mr qumu"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/guantanamo-files-libyan-detainee-now-us-ally-of-sorts.html

how many qumu's is obama releasing this week?

the message coming from this white house is clear---attack our embassies, kill our ambassadors, and we'll give you what you want

did you see hillary's ad aired on pakistani tv on love the prophet day?

it didn't work, 20 locals were killed in nationwide violence

News from The Associated Press

the more you apologize, president pander, the guiltier you look

it is precisely because of this purposely obtuse, head buried, politically correct bowing and scraping, hesitancy and indecision that events like assassinations of ambassadors and ambushes of rescue teams arise

obama's middle east policy is in flames---and he doesn't even know it
 
Good lord this is so predictable its laughable. This pretty much fulfills EVERY prediction that was made about his campaign...every bone tossed and pretense of care. The only thing left will be the offering of amnesty and granting of immediate voting rights in the last few weeks, should his polling numbers still put him at risk.
 
27% of these guys who have been released already have gone right back out and executed/planned terrorist attacks

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Bronson said:
27% of these guys who have been released already have gone right back out and executed/planned terrorist attacks

What could possibly go wrong?
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Gone back or joined? You guys always miss that difference.

Also, if we're holding people not guilty, and there is evidence we have, how should they feel about us? How would you feel?

I'm always shocked that a small segment of conservatives have no sense of justice, rule of law, or even core moral values. This is shown by a willingness to throw away rule of law and not be concenred about whether people are held are guilty or not.
 
Boo Radley said:
Gone back or joined? You guys always miss that difference.

Also, if we're holding people not guilty, and there is evidence we have, how should they feel about us? How would you feel?

I'm always shocked that a small segment of conservatives have no sense of justice, rule of law, or even core moral values. This is shown by a willingness to throw away rule of law and not be concenred about whether people are held are guilty or not.
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Which rule of military law is being violated?
 
The Prof said:
more presidential pandering

sept 21:

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/09/gitmolist55.pdf

we learned last week that the man most responsible for plotting and carrying out what the white house still calls a spontaneous demonstration in benghazi was one sufyad ben qumu who was released from gitmo in 2007, later freed from a libyan prison, whence he took up arms against ghadafi and, according to the nyt, by leading in libya from the front became to barack obama "an ally of sorts, a remarkable turnabout resulting from shifting american policies rather than any obvious change in mr qumu"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/guantanamo-files-libyan-detainee-now-us-ally-of-sorts.html

how many qumu's is obama releasing this week?

the message coming from this white house is clear---attack our embassies, kill our ambassadors, and we'll give you what you want

did you see hillary's ad aired on pakistani tv on love the prophet day?

it didn't work, 20 locals were killed in nationwide violence

News from The Associated Press

the more you apologize, president pander, the guiltier you look

it is precisely because of this purposely obtuse, head buried, politically correct bowing and scraping, hesitancy and indecision that events like assassinations of ambassadors and ambushes of rescue teams arise

obama's middle east policy is in flames---and he doesn't even know it
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Wasn't he Swedish?
 
Boo Radley said:
Gone back or joined? You guys always miss that difference.

Also, if we're holding people not guilty, and there is evidence we have, how should they feel about us? How would you feel?

I'm always shocked that a small segment of conservatives have no sense of justice, rule of law, or even core moral values. This is shown by a willingness to throw away rule of law and not be concenred about whether people are held are guilty or not.
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and yoiu guys think there is a difference between "gone back of joined"... please explain the difference and does anyone think a terrorist is not going to back to what he is brainwashed to believe... the Jihad is very real..its not something they stray from..
 
Travis007 said:
and yoiu guys think there is a difference between "gone back of joined"... please explain the difference and does anyone think a terrorist is not going to back to what he is brainwashed to believe... the Jihad is very real..its not something they stray from..
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Nonsense.. Many have been rehabilitated..
 
The article I read in my paper indicated that 30 some ish of the prisoners were being transferred to prisons in their place or origins. IDK.
 
Seems like a very strange move this close to the election. Wonder if their internal poll numbers have them worried about getting the base out.
 
Fishstyx said:
Seems like a very strange move this close to the election. Wonder if their internal poll numbers have them worried about getting the base out.
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feels like, "I was gonna hit Romney with the taxes not being released, and then he released them, so I gonna do something about Gitmo because I pretty much did nothing on that for 3 years." It is just debate prep reminding them to act.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Sorry.

I agree with closing Gitmo, but this is laughable, assuming you are serious.
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No more ridiculous than rehabilitating somebody in regular criminal prison. Some of those in Gitmo are there for pretty shallow reasons or even completely innocent. Those who are there for associating, perhaps they said the wrong thing, had a big mouth, they get rounded up in the dragnet. They might be steered straight by this. Long periods of time to think in a place you very much dislike has that effect on some. Like other prisoners though, it will have no effect or even make some even worse, its a mixed bag really.
 
sharon said:
Nonsense.. Many have been rehabilitated..
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of course... radical Islamic jihadists are so easy to just give up that nasty habit of fanatism to kill infidels..
 
Travis007 said:
of course... radical Islamic jihadists are so easy to just give up that nasty habit of fanatism to kill infidels..
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Travis, you do realize these "radicals" are just people attempting to defend themselves from the west right? If China came over here and took partial control of your state, would you consider fighting back? If so you're a terrorist.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Which rule of military law is being violated?
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He's not talking about military law >.< Christ. Try a definition.

"No individual can be ordered by the government to pay civil damages or suffer criminal punishment except in strict accordance with well-established and clearly defined laws and procedures."

In essence, Rule of Law protects individual liberty and freedom. Things such as you have a right to a trial, you have a right to a lawyer, you have the right to know the crime you are being charged with etc. Things that are basic proponents of our constitution. Also, the right to be free, unless charged and convicted with a crime.

Many times, detainees in Gitmo are detained indefinitely without being charged with a crime, without being convicted of a crime, without being told why they are being detained, and are never allowed a chance to have a trial or a lawyer. This violates the Rule of Law, which is what our country was founded on based on hundreds of years of politically thinking at the time of our founding.

Travis007 said:
and yoiu guys think there is a difference between "gone back of joined"... please explain the difference and does anyone think a terrorist is not going to back to what he is brainwashed to believe... the Jihad is very real..its not something they stray from..
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Gone back-This would assume that the person in question had been a part of a terrorist group BEFORE he was put in Gitmo. If this is true, and if this person was given a fair trial and convicted of a crime, then his detention in Gitmo is understandable and acceptable.

Joined-The person in question was NOT part of a terrorist group before he was put in Gitmo, but due to the large amount of abuse and illegal detention he suffered at our hands, he decided to join one after he got out.
 
Travis007 said:
and yoiu guys think there is a difference between "gone back of joined"... please explain the difference and does anyone think a terrorist is not going to back to what he is brainwashed to believe... the Jihad is very real..its not something they stray from..
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There is a difference. In one, you have someone already prone to attack us. In the other, we have someone we convinced to attack us. The difference matters. Also, you assume everyone we ahve is a terrorist, and that is despite the fact it has been prove they have NOT all be terrorist.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Which rule of military law is being violated?
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You've actually been answered rather well above. But let me try this, are those held soliders, adhereing to the GC, or are they terrorist, civilians who are breaking all kinds of laws? Do we release them when the war is over, or do we try them and hold them for crimes? And to you, does guilt and innocence matter at all?
 
Verax said:
No more ridiculous than rehabilitating somebody in regular criminal prison. Some of those in Gitmo are there for pretty shallow reasons or even completely innocent. Those who are there for associating, perhaps they said the wrong thing, had a big mouth, they get rounded up in the dragnet. They might be steered straight by this. Long periods of time to think in a place you very much dislike has that effect on some. Like other prisoners though, it will have no effect or even make some even worse, its a mixed bag really.
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Have you ever read the process that landed people in GITMO? And since we are talking about GITMO...I wonder if we will also begin to talk about Bahgram AB and Obamas expanded black ops prison use there and number of detainees...hmmmm...

3.5 years...just before the election. He must have had another one of those 'conversions of conscience". How conveeeeeeenient.
 
Boo Radley said:
There is a difference. In one, you have someone already prone to attack us. In the other, we have someone we convinced to attack us. The difference matters. Also, you assume everyone we ahve is a terrorist, and that is despite the fact it has been prove they have NOT all be terrorist.
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You assume they are not terrorists.. thats the problem...
 
sharon said:
Nonsense.. Many have been rehabilitated..
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Quite the opposite... far more likely they were indoctrinated / created at Gitmo. The whole idea of Gitmo is an affront to everything Americans stand for (at least, in theory). It only exists as a loophole to our own laws and the Geneva convention. The sooner the place is closed, the better. It should have been done 4 years ago (given that it was opened in the first place).
 
upsideguy said:
Quite the opposite... far more likely they were indoctrinated / created at Gitmo. The whole idea of Gitmo is an affront to everything Americans stand for (at least, in theory). It only exists as a loophole to our own laws and the Geneva convention. The sooner the place is closed, the better. It should have been done 4 years ago (given that it was opened in the first place).
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yea sure.. Gitmo is a Madrasas....
 
Wonder if they turn it into a tourist trap like Alcatraz?
 
Boo Radley said:
You've actually been answered rather well above. But let me try this, are those held soliders, adhereing to the GC, or are they terrorist, civilians who are breaking all kinds of laws? Do we release them when the war is over, or do we try them and hold them for crimes? And to you, does guilt and innocence matter at all?
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I suppose since they were not wearing uniforms of a recognized army I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it. I'll go with the "when the war is over option" since that is the applicable law. Whatever happens then should be appropriate. If it involves a military trial, let the chips fall where they may.
 
Gitmo is a black eye on our country...a very obvious one.


It needs to be closed for good. A lot of those detained were not involved in terrorism. They were suspected of it, but not proven to be and then our government goes in and detains them.

Have the people been rehabilitated? Oh God No.

However, some detainees that were released after we figured out they were not terrorists...they went right back to their country and started to get involved with it because our country has the audacity to take citizens of another country and detain them indefinitely without the right of habaes corpus. It goes against the fabric of our society and makes us look very bad.

Other than that...it costs too much money to keep and we're 16 Trillion in the hole already...we got to make cuts.
 
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