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Conservative Prime Minister Cameron: "All of England" united against Mitt Romney

If it should be immaterial what Americans think of Cameron, why should we care what Brits (or anyone else external) think about Romney?

I certainly don't. I don't care what they think about our election, period. It's not their election.

I don't particularly care what Americans think of Cameron. I was having a laugh at the amazing, self-conscious lie that Cameron is a "European socialist" of any sort.

That self-same nation is also the one which my forefathers had to bleed and shed other's blood to separate ourselves from due to their tyrany and lack of values.

The English were far more traditionalist than were the Americans of the day.

I do not believe that the United States HAS, EVER HAS HAD, or EVER WILL HAVE true Allies. Not the UK, not NATO, definitely not the UN. Nobody.

You may continue to believe that. Reality, apparently, will never convince you otherwise.

No. SOME of America's intellectual and cultural heritage comes from Great Britian. Other parts of it come from France, Germany, Spain, and a host of other nations whose people have come to these shores seeking to add something to the melting pot. America is a "Stone Soup" and pretty much always has been. For those unfamiliar with "Stone Soup", it's a term for a type of pot-luck even where everyone brings whatever ingredient they may have and places it in a kettle. The resulting, often quite unusual meal is divided between all who have provided something.

The influence of Spain, France, etc. on America's heritage is vastly overstated. Over 90% of the Patriots during the Revolution spoke English as a first language, despite the fact that French was the lingua france of the day. A vast majority of our early literature, and virtually our entire body of law, came from the United Kingdom, as did High Church Anglicanism.
 
What taxes did he want to lower, Travis007?

See, I'm betting you can't name any.



I dont care.. the guy is useless, why would I care? Im in NJ...I saw I while back that he took a poke at Frances tax laws..

why do you even care?...

If you are in the UK and like or want Obama , we will be happy to send him over the pond to you in a one way package..

will trade Obama for topless pictures of kate....
 
I don't particularly care what Americans think of Cameron. I was having a laugh at the amazing, self-conscious lie that Cameron is a "European socialist" of any sort.

And why should we care what any Brits think of our election?
 
And why should we care what any Brits think of our election?

You don't have to. I care (and a goodly number of others) because my monetary future is tied up in the good disposition of the British towards myself and because I regard isolationism as stupid.

By the same token, incidentally, one might ask why the Nicaraguans ought to have cared about whether or not the Americans appreciated the 1979 Sandinista revolution... but we certainly did.
 
I dont care.. the guy is useless, why would I care? Im in NJ...I saw I while back that he took a poke at Frances tax laws..

why do you even care?...

If you are in the UK and like or want Obama , we will be happy to send him over the pond to you in a one way package..

will trade Obama for topless pictures of kate....

Because you don't seem especially qualified to comment.
 
Because you don't seem especially qualified to comment.

are you a Brit?

Obama is not epecially qualified to be President..
 
You don't have to. I care (and a goodly number of others) because my monetary future is tied up in the good disposition of the British towards myself and because I regard isolationism as stupid.

:roll: Where's the "isolationism"?

By the same token, incidentally, one might ask why the Nicaraguans ought to have cared about whether or not the Americans appreciated the 1979 Sandinista revolution... but we certainly did.

And do you think the Nicaraguans should have taken it into account? (I suspect you're an Ortega fan, no?)
 
are you a Brit?

I have business dealings in Great Britain.

Obama is not epecially qualified to be President..

I'm not voting for Obama. I'm not sure why, every time I, as an independent voter, criticize Willard Romney, I get a chorus of anti-Obama rhetoric in response.
 
:roll: Where's the "isolationism"?

A global market means, ultimately, a global political forum. Now, the British certainly can't vote in our elections, but as America is the dominant economic power in the world it's certainly reasonable for them to hold strong opinions about the outcome of our elections, just as Americans were jubilant, centuries ago, in the victory of Lord Peel.

And do you think the Nicaraguans should have taken it into account? (I suspect you're an Ortega fan, no?)

No, actually, not at all. But I'm not a fan of the CIA intervention, either.
 
I have business dealings in Great Britain.



I'm not voting for Obama. I'm not sure why, every time I, as an independent voter, criticize Willard Romney, I get a chorus of anti-Obama rhetoric in response.

Ok.. well...enjoy..
 
LOL "British Conservative"

Yea Ok Joseph
 
A global market means, ultimately, a global political forum. Now, the British certainly can't vote in our elections, but as America is the dominant economic power in the world it's certainly reasonable for them to hold strong opinions about the outcome of our elections, just as Americans were jubilant, centuries ago, in the victory of Lord Peel.

Oh, I see; it's a novel definition of "isolationism" made up on the spot.

I didn't say they couldn't hold an opinion.

Nor did I advocate adopting any actually "isolationist" policies.

No, actually, not at all. But I'm not a fan of the CIA intervention, either.

:roll:

A red herring. I didn't ask you about the CIA; I asked you if the Nicaraguans should have taken it into account. I take from your attempt to change the subject that you (of course) think they shouldn't have.

Oddly enough, by your own argument, their financial interests would suggest that indeed they should. But I guess that's different, right?
 
I didn't say they couldn't hold an opinion.

You insinuated that Americans shouldn't be interested in that opinion. But some of us can't afford to have British opinion turn against us.

A red herring. I didn't ask you about the CIA; I asked you if the Nicaraguans should have taken it into account. I take from your attempt to change the subject that you (of course) think they shouldn't have.

Why, they were forced to, weren't they?
 
You insinuated that Americans shouldn't be interested in that opinion.

I didn't "insinuate" anything. I said exactly what I meant.

But some of us can't afford to have British opinion turn against us.

Really. Do you think they're going to sever their business interests if Romney is elected? :roll: Who would be "isolationist" then?


Why, they were forced to, weren't they?

Further avoiding the question suggests even more strongly I'm correct and that you're just unwilling to answer truthfully, because it will mean you contradict yourself.
 
I didn't "insinuate" anything. I said exactly what I meant.

And why should we care what any Brits think of our election?

So did I.

Really. Do you think they're going to sever their business interests if Romney is elected? :roll: Who would be "isolationist" then?

My clients very possibly might.

Further avoiding the question suggests even more strongly I'm correct and that you're just unwilling to answer truthfully, because it will mean you contradict yourself.

It would have been wise to not accept the results of the 1984 election as legitimate. I'm at a loss as to why you think I'm arguing otherwise.
 
My clients very possibly might.

Then they are the "isolationists" you decry. :shrug: They sound like total own-foot-shooting idiots to me.


It would have been wise to not accept the results of the 1984 election as legitimate. I'm at a loss as to why you think I'm arguing otherwise.

Searching for weasling way to try to seem like you're responding without actually responding is noted.

We both know I'm right and the double-standard you embrace is obvious, as well as facile.
 
load of bollocks! If Romney gets voted in it will be business as usual for the UK and the US.
 
Then they are the "isolationists" you decry. :shrug: They sound like total own-foot-shooting idiots to me.

If I lost their business, it'd probably go to my French competitors.

Searching for weasling way to try to seem like you're responding without actually responding is noted.

What I'm actually searching for is a way to agree that the Nicaraguans should have thrown out the Sandinistas without endorsing the CIA-backed death squads.

Which is, you know, what I take the libertarian position on the issue to be.
 
load of bollocks! If Romney gets voted in it will be business as usual for the UK and the US.

Yeah, and anyone with half a brain understands this. This pseudo-concern otherwise couldn't possibly be motivated by partisan concerns, now could it? ;)
 
I don't like Romney in the least, but it's not England's call on who we elect.

lol I dont think anyone in the UK think it is their call in fact most people dont care, calm down
 
Yeah, and anyone with half a brain understands this. This pseudo-concern otherwise couldn't possibly be motivated by partisan concerns, now could it? ;)

Well, I do strongly endorse Gary Johnson, so you're absolutely right that I'm innately biased against Romney.
 
lol I dont think anyone in the UK think it is their call in fact most people dont care, calm down

There was not "being worked up" there, it was merely a statement of fact. The UK can say anything they want, but in the end it's not up to them. And in the end it won't make a difference. Even if we elected someone unpopular with Europe, it's not like Europe will stop doing business with us. We'll continue on as is now.
 
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