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Nancy Pelosi: 'Everybody Knows' Mitt Romney Won't Become President

That's quite a statement, to say MSNBC is 50% as bad as Fox would be really, really pushing it. I'm not sure anything else in this world approaches Fox's evil modus operandi.

Why do you think that? Fox's commentators are unabashedly Conservative. MSNBC's are unabashedly liberal. Why is Fox so much worse?
 
Why do you think that? Fox's commentators are unabashedly Conservative. MSNBC's are unabashedly liberal. Why is Fox so much worse?

I couldn't have said it better.

The sad part is that I saw why liberals hate Fox so much. The customer spouted every far left talking point as if it was unchallenged fact. They were completely ignorant of any information MSNBC had failed to present (and this was an immense amount of information). There was quite the speech about the only reason not to worship Obama was because they were racist haters and tons of other similar speeches. As someone working for them, in their home, I kept my mouth shut and let them preach, but it hurt.

I have had the same experience with conservative customers, too. It's painful whichever side the uninformed follow.
 
I was just commenting on what I saw, not on my wishes. I didn't know the Walker recall was such a skewed bet. Live and learn. Anyway, Romney is a bargain if you got the guts and the feeling.

Intrade right? IIRC they were off 30 points on the Walker recall...just sayin'
 
For the Fox kids that don't understand what the difference is:

Here is the problem, the current status quo in the U.S. political fight is liberals' mostly truths vs. conservatives' mostly lies. Fox news and AM radio have brainwashed cons over the years to believe this is normal, its called the Overton Window. So what happens is Fox viewers have an extremely far right view of the world combined with large amounts of baseless propaganda that is pure lies, their platform is actually built on lies from the start.

When said viewer see's a view that is center or slightly left of center, they see it as extreme left, because it is so radically different from what they have been programmed to believe.

This is why you think MSNBC is just as bad as Fox, what you fail to realize is that MSNBC is barely left of center and mostly truthful, Fox is very, very far right and in the truth vs lies department has to be at least 4:1 ratio if not more untruthful comparatively.
 
For the Fox kids that don't understand what the difference is:

Here is the problem, the current status quo in the U.S. political fight is liberals' mostly truths vs. conservatives' mostly lies. Fox news and AM radio have brainwashed cons over the years to believe this is normal, its called the Overton Window. So what happens is Fox viewers have an extremely far right view of the world combined with large amounts of baseless propaganda that is pure lies, their platform is actually built on lies from the start.

When said viewer see's a view that is center or slightly left of center, they see it as extreme left, because it is so radically different from what they have been programmed to believe.

This is why you think MSNBC is just as bad as Fox, what you fail to realize is that MSNBC is barely left of center and mostly truthful, Fox is very, very far right and in the truth vs lies department has to be at least 4:1 ratio if not more untruthful comparatively.

First off, do you have evidence for any of this? I could just as easily replace left with right and MSNBC with Fox and write your exact same post with it having the same truth value as your post.

MSNBC's commentators generally agree with the Democratic party line, or in some cases I've seen them criticize Obama for being too Conservative. Fox's commentators are doing the same thing with the Republican line. I don't see how you can claim that one is really closer to center than the other.
 
First off, do you have evidence for any of this? I could just as easily replace left with right and MSNBC with Fox and write your exact same post with it having the same truth value as your post.

MSNBC's commentators generally agree with the Democratic party line, or in some cases I've seen them criticize Obama for being too Conservative. Fox's commentators are doing the same thing with the Republican line. I don't see how you can claim that one is really closer to center than the other.

Proof? What you want me to write a 20 page manifesto with sources, studies, data? I've spent 15 years reading many things and talking to many people, that is what I believe to be true. I don't expect people to take my word of believe me, but maybe this will give somebody an idea of what is going on.
 
Proof? What you want me to write a 20 page manifesto with sources, studies, data? I've spent 15 years reading many things and talking to many people, that is what I believe to be true. I don't expect people to take my word of believe me, but maybe this will give somebody an idea of what is going on.

Well my experience has been different. From what I can tell they are both about the same distance from center. I was just wondering if you had any evidence for your belief. If not, there's nothing we can really debate here as it is just our differing experiences.
 
Funny thing is ... I don't watch Fox because they are too damn far right for me. It's not like I'm defending them. I'm just not ass enough to pretend MSNBC is better in some way. I will say, though, it takes a special kind of blind partisanship to claim one isn't as bad because "my side is the one telling the truth".
 
Well my experience has been different. From what I can tell they are both about the same distance from center. I was just wondering if you had any evidence for your belief. If not, there's nothing we can really debate here as it is just our differing experiences.
Aside from Hannity what commentators on Fox do you consider far right? Bill O'Reily is a little right of center. He doesn't come close to Matthews, Sharpton, Wagner, Ed Schultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Andrea Mitchell, Maddow, Melissaq Harris-Perry. It isn't even close. The station had one conservative that sometimes appeared., Pat Buchanan that they couldn't censor so they fired him.
 
Funny thing is ... I don't watch Fox because they are too damn far right for me. It's not like I'm defending them. I'm just not ass enough to pretend MSNBC is better in some way. I will say, though, it takes a special kind of blind partisanship to claim one isn't as bad because "my side is the one telling the truth".

The idea that both sides are equal, both sides are the same distance from center, both sides tell the truth and lie in the same quantities, that the only reason a person could believe this to not be true is if they're a "blind partisan" is a freshman idea. I thought the same thing when I was in my early 20's.
 
Aside from Hannity what commentators on Fox do you consider far right? Bill O'Reily is a little right of center. He doesn't come close to Matthews, Sharpton, Wagner, Ed Schultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Andrea Mitchell, Maddow, Melissaq Harris-Perry. It isn't even close. The station had one conservative that sometimes appeared., Pat Buchanan that they couldn't censor so they fired him.

Well you are right, all those commentators on MSNBC are far left. Hannity is definitely right as you say, I'd say O'Reilly is farther than a little right of center, but not as far right as Matthews and Schultz are left. Before he left, Beck was obviously far right, but I suppose he was canceled out by Olbermann. Fox and Friends is far right. I'm unfamiliar with the show, but a google search tells me that five of the seven hosts of "The Five" are conservative. You've got Huckabee of course.

I'm not familiar with most of the other hosts that have weekend shows on either network. But I think Hannity, O'Reilly, and Fox and Friends balance out Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz, and Matthews for weekday shows. When did Sharpton get a job on MSNBC? I haven't watched cable news for a few months.
 
The idea that both sides are equal, both sides are the same distance from center, both sides tell the truth and lie in the same quantities, that the only reason a person could believe this to not be true is if they're a "blind partisan" is a freshman idea. I thought the same thing when I was in my early 20's.

The thing is if we are measuring partisanship by distance from the party line, they are both pretty equal. Fox's commentators toe their line the same way MSNBC toes theirs. There is little difference in distance. I wouldn't suggest they both tell truths and lies in the same quantities, although I suspect the number of lies is pretty high for both of them.
 
Well you are right, all those commentators on MSNBC are far left. Hannity is definitely right as you say, I'd say O'Reilly is farther than a little right of center, but not as far right as Matthews and Schultz are left. Before he left, Beck was obviously far right, but I suppose he was canceled out by Olbermann. Fox and Friends is far right. I'm unfamiliar with the show, but a google search tells me that five of the seven hosts of "The Five" are conservative. You've got Huckabee of course.

I'm not familiar with most of the other hosts that have weekend shows on either network. But I think Hannity, O'Reilly, and Fox and Friends balance out Maddow, O'Donnell, Schultz, and Matthews for weekday shows. When did Sharpton get a job on MSNBC? I haven't watched cable news for a few months.
Sharpton has an hour every evening I believe 5-6PM. He used it to stir the racial pot in the shooting in Florida of Trayvon Martin.He was the main proponent of the story going national. Although I am conservative I watch MSNBC a lot more than Fox and the notion that they are the same in my opinion is absurd. Shepherd Smith presents the news on Fox every night impartially with criticism for all when warranted and there is absolutely nothing presented on MSNBC without a very extreme leftward slant. And Morning Joe with the token faux conservative Scarborough blows Fox and Friends away as gfar as bias.
 
Sharpton has an hour every evening I believe 5-6PM. He used it to stir the racial pot in the shooting in Florida of Trayvon Martin.He was the main proponent of the story going national. Although I am conservative I watch MSNBC a lot more than Fox and the notion that they are the same in my opinion is absurd. Shepherd Smith presents the news on Fox every night impartially with criticism for all when warranted and there is absolutely nothing presented on MSNBC without a very extreme leftward slant. And Morning Joe with the token faux conservative Scarborough blows Fox and Friends away as gfar as bias.

I agree that Shepard Smith is a good one. No equivalent on either CNN or MSNBC. It's hard to quantify bias, but I just see them overall as about the same. Regardless of which is more biased, the commentary shows aren't a good place to get news on either one.
 
The idea that both sides are equal, both sides are the same distance from center, both sides tell the truth and lie in the same quantities, that the only reason a person could believe this to not be true is if they're a "blind partisan" is a freshman idea. I thought the same thing when I was in my early 20's.

It applies when watching MSNBC or Fox. They are basically more interested in their narrative than the facts or getting the information across. Depending on the specific commentator, there may be a difference, but they fail at about the same level.

Your attempt to be condescending by implying you have evolved beyond this rational conclusion is not really an argument. You are allowed to simply disagree with me, however. Unless you can divine a method of measuring bias that takes into account all forms (including omission of certain details/reports, when a report is colored one way, and how even use of titles can subtly show bias), we are stuck with impressions.
 
I agree that Shepard Smith is a good one. No equivalent on either CNN or MSNBC. It's hard to quantify bias, but I just see them overall as about the same. Regardless of which is more biased, the commentary shows aren't a good place to get news on either one.

And that's my point. MSNBC has nothing but commentary. There is no actual news reporting.
 
Sharpton has an hour every evening I believe 5-6PM. He used it to stir the racial pot in the shooting in Florida of Trayvon Martin.He was the main proponent of the story going national. Although I am conservative I watch MSNBC a lot more than Fox and the notion that they are the same in my opinion is absurd. Shepherd Smith presents the news on Fox every night impartially with criticism for all when warranted and there is absolutely nothing presented on MSNBC without a very extreme leftward slant. And Morning Joe with the token faux conservative Scarborough blows Fox and Friends away as gfar as bias.

I shouldn't have said the line about blind partisanship, but I still stand by the thought that both channels are pretty bad and don't try to hide it. That's their niche. I personally feel that unless you can show that the programming makes every attempt to hold out bias, it's just a matter of fine degrees. Both of these channels make their money doing just the opposite.

It's all fine and good as long as we take it into account and get other sources in addition for our news.

PS: Hannity drives me nuts. I just don't like his "debate" style.
 
Dude, i'm a fairly right wing guy, and I can't stand Hannity.
 
For the Fox kids that don't understand what the difference is:

Here is the problem, the current status quo in the U.S. political fight is liberals' mostly truths vs. conservatives' mostly lies. Fox news and AM radio have brainwashed cons over the years to believe this is normal, its called the Overton Window. So what happens is Fox viewers have an extremely far right view of the world combined with large amounts of baseless propaganda that is pure lies, their platform is actually built on lies from the start.

When said viewer see's a view that is center or slightly left of center, they see it as extreme left, because it is so radically different from what they have been programmed to believe.

This is why you think MSNBC is just as bad as Fox, what you fail to realize is that MSNBC is barely left of center and mostly truthful, Fox is very, very far right and in the truth vs lies department has to be at least 4:1 ratio if not more untruthful comparatively.

You've just proven Keridan's point, you know.
 
But Pelosi is right you know.

the only thing she has ever gotten right is to remember the address of her botox injector. the woman is a disgrace to the house, the democrat party, california, and women in general. She is a joke.
 
You've just proven Keridan's point, you know.

No, no I have not. I am rebuking his conclusion. If he is right then yes I prove his point, I am saying no, I don't believe that.
 
Proof? What you want me to write a 20 page manifesto with sources, studies, data? I've spent 15 years reading many things and talking to many people, that is what I believe to be true. I don't expect people to take my word of believe me, but maybe this will give somebody an idea of what is going on.

Try this...
CBS affiliate strays off the Obama plantation..

Obama



As the liberal American press and ultra-liberal bloggers inundate the Internet and newsprints with criticisms of what Mitt Romney, the GOP presidential challenger to President Barack Obama, said about Obama during the Libyan attacks and murders, throngs of foreign press and few American outlets tell the real story involved with the White House’s role in the incidents that we now know could have been prevented.

After the American media grabbed and held the pro-Obama headlines against Romney’s comments and took Obama’s “Romney shoots first and aims second” quote to iconic proportions, the rest of the world is reporting that the Obama administration knew about the planned-attack on the Benghazi, Libya Embassy where four Americans, including United States Ambassador Christopher Steven was murdered.

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