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Pennsylvania poll: Obama up by 11 [W:267]

They are already blaming romney for the death of the party. The debates had not even happened before they were making excuses for why he lost. How many people have been blamed so far for the non-existent RNC and Paul Ryan Bumps? it is ryan's fault, it is Romney's fault, or perhaps it is clint eastwoods fault.

I will tell you who's fault it is. People are sick and tired of the moral tirade and bull**** wars that come from the right. This guy disagrees with the republicans and suddenly it is a war where their entire belief system is being destroyed so they have to destroy everyone to defend themselves. Sometimes people disagree and it is not even an argument. Religious extremism is dying, don't try to save it. Nothing is going to be saved by trying to force everyone to abide by christian laws and values. It just turns off everyone. They are dying because moderation is not an option, and everyone else is getting sick of having to hate everyone else all the time to be american in their eyes.

Republicans should have let the tea party have the loonies and started taking moderation and cooperation as part of who they are. They could have taken some of the middle ground and let the loonies migrate towards the tea party dumbasses. Instead they tied their ship to the tea party anchor which is pulling them under. They get more and morwe crazy every day, and they certainly are not the same republican party they were just 30 years ago.

I find it quite telling how ignorant the Obama supporters are in Pa. in that results don't matter and that seems to be the case around the country. No Obama supporter can explain why the results for the next four years under Obama will be better than the last four which apparently are acceptable.

Would some Obama supporter please explain why they support higher unemployment than when he took office, 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers TODAY, 5.4 trillion added to the debt, over 100 million on some kind of taxpayer assisted social program, 46 million below the poverty level, crony capitalism, no meeting with his jobs' council since January, a declining labor force.

Why are Obama supporters ignoring the actual results? Is this really the kind of country Obama supporters want?
 
I find it quite telling how ignorant the Obama supporters are in Pa. in that results don't matter and that seems to be the case around the country. No Obama supporter can explain why the results for the next four years under Obama will be better than the last four which apparently are acceptable.

Would some Obama supporter please explain why they support higher unemployment than when he took office, 23 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers TODAY, 5.4 trillion added to the debt, over 100 million on some kind of taxpayer assisted social program, 46 million below the poverty level, crony capitalism, no meeting with his jobs' council since January, a declining labor force.

Why are Obama supporters ignoring the actual results? Is this really the kind of country Obama supporters want?

sadly, they do not care about results-------------they just looooooooooooooooove obama.
 
sadly, they do not care about results-------------they just looooooooooooooooove obama.

It is called the dumbing down of America which Obama is capitalizing one and contributing to. Doesn't appear that Obama supporters have the ability to grasp the damage Obama policies are doing to this country.
 
From what I can gather from the Romney/Ryan plan, they want to raise the taxes of the middle class. By raising the taxes of the middle class, it will cause the middle class to move toward the lower class. At this point, the middle class will be more dependent on government than every before. So, it seems to me that it is the GOP wanting to make the 99% more dependent on government. The GOP has not focused on passing a jobs bill. THey could care less about the middle class and they do support more tax breaks for the rich. It is clear they want a two class system, the rich and poor class. Obama supports rebuilding the middle class. We can't do that without jobs. Obama can't stimulate job creation without Congress. Why is this so hard for people like you to understand?

Noticed that you never post links to your claims but rather run when challenged. You seem to have a lot invested in Obama and his kind of economic policy so the question is why? Who do you think the people who are dependent on the taxpayer are going to vote for and why aren't you promoting more independence from the govt. versus dependence on the govt? You think that promoting individual wealth creation creates greater dependence on the govt?
 
It's funny that wages were just as cheap overseas during the Clinton years, yet our economy did very well with higher wages. Your argument doesn't hold water.

Wow that is a serious disconnect. we had the dot com bubble for a couple years-a sugar high
 
This post is wrong on so many levels. It is really disturbing that someone can be so far gone that this is what they believe.

Democrats don't believe what you think they believe. I'm really sorry you can't see that.

You saying so has little relevance. The fact is-the dependency class has grown and grown and grown
 
Just shows me the best way to be a 'success' in this country is to be born into a rich family and declare everyone else a loser.

Wadda country!

constantly justifying failure based on bad luck is exactly what the left wants
 
Wow that is a serious disconnect. we had the dot com bubble for a couple years-a sugar high

What we have here is someone who ignores results and posts talking points. Since Obama has been in office the median income has dropped yet for some reason the Obama supporters believe the next four years will be better than the last four even though offering no evidence. Polls right now show more undecideds that I believe there really are and in very few Obama has over 50%. That doesn't bode well for any incumbent. Still these supports will always focus on the distant past while ignoring the results of the recent past. That way they divert from the Obama record which is all they can do with the Obama results as bad as they are.
 
What we have here is someone who ignores results and posts talking points. Since Obama has been in office the median income has dropped yet for some reason the Obama supporters believe the next four years will be better than the last four even though offering no evidence. Polls right now show more undecideds that I believe there really are and in very few Obama has over 50%. That doesn't bode well for any incumbent. Still these supports will always focus on the distant past while ignoring the results of the recent past. That way they divert from the Obama record which is all they can do with the Obama results as bad as they are.

As I noted earlier, many of them went from believing Obama would make them prosperous to hoping he will merely make other less prosperous
 
Noticed that you never post links to your claims but rather run when challenged. You seem to have a lot invested in Obama and his kind of economic policy so the question is why? Who do you think the people who are dependent on the taxpayer are going to vote for and why aren't you promoting more independence from the govt. versus dependence on the govt? You think that promoting individual wealth creation creates greater dependence on the govt?

I was giving my opinion and there is no link to that. As for running, I have no idea what you mean. Rebuilding the middle class will get more people off government help. Giving more tax breaks to the rich and driving the middle class into poverty only brings about more people in need of government help. How can someone build wealth if they can not get a job or have proper education? The government programs I support are the ones that invest in the people having the resources they need to bring themselves out of poverty and into productive citizens. Those who are already wealthy don't need help. THey need to be reinvesting in the middle class so our economy can thrive again. That is my opinion, so there will be no link.
 
the media is biased to the left, its been proven many times

No it has not. A bunch of right wing think tanks have made a bunch of "studies" that of course proved their point. I remember one that said Fox News was not biased, and that the Wall Street Journal was a communist rag.

a poll of 1200 people out of 330,000,000 means nothing, polls are created to influence opinions, not report on them
much of the voting public is ignorant (ignorant does not mean stupid).

Actually it is more like 1200 people out of 130 million or so.

But thank you for proving my point... you and your fellow GOPers are in panic mode since you are now accusing the polling numbers as being biased, despite you not doing so when you were ahead.
 
Wow that is a serious disconnect. we had the dot com bubble for a couple years-a sugar high

The dot com bubble didn't crash the whole economy and cause people to lose their homes. Also, the free market was responsible for the dot com bubble, not Clinton.
 
The dot com bubble didn't crash the whole economy and cause people to lose their homes. Also, the free market was responsible for the dot com bubble, not Clinton.

Over the last 50 years, high paying low skilled jobs are disappearing from America because people willing to do those jobs are many and the entry costs to having those skills is very very low. Those who want higher paying jobs have to have more technical skills. But unlike other developed countries that focus their resources in their college students learning such skills, America has lagged behind. Those who have not obtained hi-tech educations are whining that they can no longer get hi tech salaried jobs.

So instead of figuring out what needs to be done, they whine that its the "rich" and/or the government needs to do something.

Its this sort of outsourcing personal responsibility that causes MANY of the people who are in your situation to have problems.
 
As I noted earlier, many of them went from believing Obama would make them prosperous to hoping he will merely make other less prosperous

You mean those who were standing in line for "Obama bucks" from the "Obama stash?" Interesting how many people are so easily fooled by the leftwing ideology.
 
You mean those who were standing in line for "Obama bucks" from the "Obama stash?" Interesting how many people are so easily fooled by the leftwing ideology.

yeah. they no longer howl that Obama is going to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars but that he will take more and more from those who are more intelligent or more industrious than they are
 
I was giving my opinion and there is no link to that. As for running, I have no idea what you mean. Rebuilding the middle class will get more people off government help. Giving more tax breaks to the rich and driving the middle class into poverty only brings about more people in need of government help. How can someone build wealth if they can not get a job or have proper education? The government programs I support are the ones that invest in the people having the resources they need to bring themselves out of poverty and into productive citizens. Those who are already wealthy don't need help. THey need to be reinvesting in the middle class so our economy can thrive again. That is my opinion, so there will be no link.

What policies has Obama put in place to get more people off the govt. dole? I find it quite interesting that you believe it is the government's role to tell the American people how much income they should have or should be allowed to keep? You don't see a problem with that?

Why don't you ask "your" President why he hasn't met with his jobs' council since January? You think that is focusing on creating jobs? Why do you buy his rhetoric and ignore his results?

Govt. doesn't invest, govt. spends, private sector invests and it is the private sector that will bring this country out of the mess Obama has us in. You buy the media and Obama Administration spin that the govt. spending is an investment that creates jobs, what that does is keep bureaucrats in power.

Your opinion is noted, and explains a lot about the education system in this country. We have a 16 trillion dollar debt and the results that I have posted over and over again only to be ignored. Those results are from that so called "investment" by the Federal Govt. When are you going to realize that liberalism is a failure?
 
No it has not. A bunch of right wing think tanks have made a bunch of "studies" that of course proved their point. I remember one that said Fox News was not biased, and that the Wall Street Journal was a communist rag.

Which think tank said that?
 
yeah. they no longer howl that Obama is going to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars but that he will take more and more from those who are more intelligent or more industrious than they are

Exactly, the fact that they didn't get Obama "bucks" out of the Obama "stash" is ignored so now it is on to class warfare and envy. The problem is far too many believe that is a positive economic policy.
 
These polls are meaningless now...Many are over sampling, and using 'push poll' type leading questioning to arrive at their numbers...I am waiting for the debates.
Also, their methodology used telephone interviews which will tend to inflate numbers for Obama because white voters don't want to appear "racist" (especially if they believe the person asking the questions is black).

Their results predict that about 1 in 5 Republicans will vote Obama - a 40% increase over how they voted in 2008.

Doesn't pass the silly test.
 
Over the last 50 years, high paying low skilled jobs are disappearing from America because people willing to do those jobs are many and the entry costs to having those skills is very very low. Those who want higher paying jobs have to have more technical skills. But unlike other developed countries that focus their resources in their college students learning such skills, America has lagged behind. Those who have not obtained hi-tech educations are whining that they can no longer get hi tech salaried jobs.

So instead of figuring out what needs to be done, they whine that its the "rich" and/or the government needs to do something.

Its this sort of outsourcing personal responsibility that causes MANY of the people who are in your situation to have problems.

Where have you been the last 4 to 6 years? Your argument may have been valid a decade ago, but we have a lack of jobs. We need to jump start the jobs problem with rebuilding the infrastructure. Construction creates good low tech jobs. Also, we have a lot of people with high tech skills that have a lot of debt because they did the right thing and got an education, but there are no jobs to be had for college grads. Your argument doesn't hold water.
 
Which think tank said that?

Was some UCLA study done by 2 guys who were funded or/and been employed by right wing think tanks.

I have yet to see any independent study that proves that there is a consistent and deliberate left wing bias in US mass media. In fact the only news organisation that has been proven to be utterly biased is Fox News and that is to the right.
 
Where have you been the last 4 to 6 years? Your argument may have been valid a decade ago, but we have a lack of jobs. We need to jump start the jobs problem with rebuilding the infrastructure. Construction creates good low tech jobs. Also, we have a lot of people with high tech skills that have a lot of debt because they did the right thing and got an education, but there are no jobs to be had for college grads. Your argument doesn't hold water.

So where did the stimulus money go as it was sold on creating "shovel ready" jobs? Why hasn't Obama met with his Jobs' Council since January? When will actual results trump your perceived results?
 
Where have you been the last 4 to 6 years? Your argument may have been valid a decade ago, but we have a lack of jobs. We need to jump start the jobs problem with rebuilding the infrastructure. Construction creates good low tech jobs. Also, we have a lot of people with high tech skills that have a lot of debt because they did the right thing and got an education, but there are no jobs to be had for college grads. Your argument doesn't hold water.

I find it interesting that someone who constantly complains they aren't making enough money constantly tries to claim they knows much about economic reality. What you want is more government taxation of other people to fund stuff. tell us, what does Obama have planned to create HI TECH jobs when his policy is hostile towards new job creations and new industry
 
So where did the stimulus money go as it was sold on creating "shovel ready" jobs? Why hasn't Obama met with his Jobs' Council since January? When will actual results trump your perceived results?

that stimulus money was mainly spent to buy Obama votes
 
What policies has Obama put in place to get more people off the govt. dole? I find it quite interesting that you believe it is the government's role to tell the American people how much income they should have or should be allowed to keep? You don't see a problem with that?

Why don't you ask "your" President why he hasn't met with his jobs' council since January? You think that is focusing on creating jobs? Why do you buy his rhetoric and ignore his results?

Govt. doesn't invest, govt. spends, private sector invests and it is the private sector that will bring this country out of the mess Obama has us in. You buy the media and Obama Administration spin that the govt. spending is an investment that creates jobs, what that does is keep bureaucrats in power.

Your opinion is noted, and explains a lot about the education system in this country. We have a 16 trillion dollar debt and the results that I have posted over and over again only to be ignored. Those results are from that so called "investment" by the Federal Govt. When are you going to realize that liberalism is a failure?

The private sector crashed the economy then begged for bail outs. The private sector isn't creating jobs. THe private sector shipped jobs out of this country.
The government invests in it's people when it gives out college grants and creates things like the internet and releases it for public sector use. The government invests in an inrastructure tht allows the private sector to thrive. It takes both the private and public sector to create an economy. Like it or not, that is the way it is.
 
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