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Those Funny, Phony Factcheckers

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"what three apology experts say:"

John Murphy, a communications professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who studies presidential rhetoric and political language, said Romney was wrong to label it an apology.

"First, the statement does not use the word ‘apology’ or ‘apologize’ and does not use any synonym for that word. There is no statement here that says, ‘We are sorry.’

Lauren Bloom, an attorney and business consultant who wrote The Art of the Apology, said that Romney is "once again allowing his emotional allergy to apology to interfere with his judgment."

Bloom said that "if there's anything more central to American values than respecting each individual's right to worship as he or she pleases, I'd be hard-pressed to say what it might be. The statement that ‘respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy’ not only is true, but is as clear an expression of one of our most cherished values as I can imagine."

Rhoda E. Howard-Hassmann, a professor who studies international human rights and maintains the website Political Apologies and Reparations, a database of documents on apologies, said the statement is "not an apology."

Rather, she said, "it is a condemnation of ‘abuse’ of the universal value of free speech. A condemnation is not an apology. … The Embassy statement also reaffirms two American values: the American value of respect for religious beliefs and the American value of democracy."
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-us-embassy-statement-was-apology-was-i/

LOL!

the university of illinois communications professor: "an apology, to be pedantic, is when the first party says to the second party, ‘i have offended you and i am sorry’"

merriam webster, apologist:

"one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something"

"a person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution"

Apologist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

cairo's statement:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions [unless it's bill maher doing the hurting].
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meet john murphy, lauren bloom and professor howard-hassmann

“He really wants to hit the equality of opportunity, the fairness argument that has traditionally worked very well for Democrats,’’ says John Murphy, a University of Illinois associate professor specializing in presidential rhetoric. “Think way back to the New Deal, the Fair Deal, those were all slogans based on, `Hey, everybody gets an equal shot.’’’

Murphy also says the recent Wall Street protests — where anger over income disparity prompted the rallying cry, “We are the 99 percent!’’ — deserve credit for putting the issue on the radar. “The Occupy movement has given an opening to Obama to make the arguments that might not have been there,’’ he says. “It helped set the agenda just like the Tea Party did in 2010.’’
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Fair shot or freedom? Words define campaign 2012 - Page 3 - Boston.com

"10 reasons obama will be reelected," lauren bloom, 3-7-12:

"the economy is recovering, don't ask don't tell is over, health care reform is here, congress caused the gridlock... he's the cutest guy at the dance"

10 Reasons Obama Will Be Re-Elected - TheStreet

Last week I dedicated three evenings to watching the Republican National Convention. Like many Americans and Canadians, I was appalled.
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"republicans, community and hypocrisy," rhoda hassmann, 9-6-12

Rights & Rightlessness: Rhoda Hassmann on Human Rights: September 2012
 
I hope your being paid for these posts of yours, because this is a pretty pathetic display.
 
...and the point of this thread is.......what?
 
and the point of this thread is what?
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you have to ask?

LOL!

let the print partners of msnbc in the morning answer:

As our colleagues on 44 wrote tonight, the Obama administration tried to distance itself from the U.S. Embassy statement out of Cairo offering apologies for the anti-Muslim film that created the unrest in Egypt and Libya.
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Romney condemns 'disgraceful' Obama response on Mideast violence (Updated) - POLITICO.com

not a lot of equivocation, there, merriam
 
pathetic and transparent
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like citing professors murphy, bloom and howard-hassmann to show that while not saying "i'm sorry," this administration acts the abject apologist?

did anyone fact check ms bloom's ten reasons?

i mean, is he really the cutest guy at the dance?

LOL!
 
President Barack Obama used Air Force One to conduct a policy loop-de-loop Wednesday, asserting in a CBS interview that he supports Americans’ right to criticize Islam, following almost 18 hours of determined condemnation from Team Romney and damaging news from Egypt and Libya.

“We believe in the First Amendment,” Obama told CBS’s Steve Kroft during an interview arranged days earlier.

“It is one of the hallmarks of our Constitution that I’m sworn to uphold, and so we are always going to uphold the rights for individuals to speak their mind,” he said, according to a transcript narrated by White House spokesman Jay Carney.

The transcript was released several hours after Obama had a Rose garden statement to condemn criticism of Islam.

Carney read the transcript during an impromptu press conference aboard Air Force One as it carried Obama to a fundraiser in Las Vegas.
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Obama embraces free speech for critics of Islam

so he's for free speech only after he's against it (unless it's bill maher doing the hating)

kinda like jerusalem in the party platform

he's looping on the brotherhood as well (can you blame him): "i don’t think we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy”

well, whatever they are, the military and police of cairo, who have demonstrated a great deal of real muscle thru this long and dreary arab spring, sure didn't do much to protect our embassy

it is what it is---the middle east policy of barack hussein obama

all apology, equivocation and incoherence

embarrassed yet?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I hope your being paid for these posts of yours, because this is a pretty pathetic display.
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A Romney superpac may be footing the bill fo rhis time here ;)

To spread disinformation and try and drum up some votes for their beloved, oops no, not beloved, ehhhmm their respected, oops no, not respected, ehmmm, the one candidate they ended up with because all other candidates were even less acceptable for independent.
 
Prof, are you and Bronson the same person? Paid by the same company? You both did the same thing which was pointed out by GhostlyJoe in this thread, patching together a narrative with bits creating the illusion of a credible story. I fail to believe somebody stupid enough to believe the tales you two weaved are yet smart enough to format out a post with links, quotes, mostly correct spelling and grammar.

Generally something this bad wuld looke moar lik this ad nt sens mayk obbiussly ritten by tard.

EDIT: Added link to other similar post.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-.../136117-romney-campaign-blunders-again-4.html
 
What is this? ...I don't even
 
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LoL I read Prof's manifesto a little more carefully, man, you are all over the place, maybe you aren't all there after all. Bronson is at least coherent, perhaps the jello shots caught up with you.
 
The Prof said:
you have to ask?

LOL!

let the print partners of msnbc in the morning answer:



Romney condemns 'disgraceful' Obama response on Mideast violence (Updated) - POLITICO.com

not a lot of equivocation, there, merriam
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Oh, so thats why so many Republicans are condemning Romney.....


“I don't feel that Mr. Romney has been doing himself any favors, say in the past few hours, perhaps since last night,” [Peggy] Noonan told Fox News. “Sometimes when really bad things happen, when hot things happen, cool words or no words is the way to go.”
Peggy Noonan: Romney not 'doing himself any favors' - POLITICO.com
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"...Inevitably, the Romney campaign chose to use these attacks to make a hasty and stupid criticism last night, which represented the most tasteless political opportunism while also managing to misrepresent the administration’s response to the attacks..."
The Attacks in Benghazi and Cairo | The American Conservative
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...But other Republicans have suggested Romney's attack was mistimed, or avoided joining him in criticizing the Obama administration.

“They probably should have waited," said former Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire on MSNBC Wednesday morning. "You look at the way things unfolded, you look at the timing of it, they probably should have waited.”

Romney adviser: White House arguing process over facts on Cairo statement - The Hill's Video
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"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader.....
Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement
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...."It's bad," said a former aide to Senator John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. "Just on a factual level that the statement was not a response but preceding, or one could make the case precipitating. And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesn't really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

A third Republican, a former Bush State Department official, told BuzzFeed, "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately — a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation.".....
Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement
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In Washington, Republican foreign policy veterans called Romney's initial statement premature and rushed, with limited facts and an incomplete understanding of what was happening in Egypt and Libya. Romney's team also was unclear about the timeline of when the Obama administration weighed in.

One Republican official advising Romney's campaign on foreign policy and national security issues painted a picture of a Romney campaign more focused on ensuring Romney's evening statement made it into morning news stories than on waiting for details about what had happened.

This official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid angering Romney's campaign, said that as word of violence spread, campaign aides late Tuesday watched tweets coming out of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo that were criticizing the filmmaker rather than condemning the attackers, and saw an opportunity to criticize Obama.

It wasn't until Wednesday morning, when the U.S. confirmed the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, that Romney's team recognized the severity of the situation — and that, the night before, it had opened itself up to criticism for politicizing a diplomatic crisis....

FACT CHECK: Romney misstates facts on attacks | General Headlines | Comcast
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But some independent analysts said they thought Romney had miscalculated. “I think it will backfire,” said Stephen Clemons, an influential analyst at The Atlantic magazine, “both because it will be seen as using an assassination of an ambassador for political purposes and because this incident will remind many people that there are real costs to the kind of interventionism that Romney and the neo-con crowd are promoting.”

"An attack on an Embassy, the murder of U.S. officials including an Ambassador, is an attack on all Americans and the idea of America — and Romney gave terrorists what they want — a divided country still torn emotionally and politically by the events of 9-11. Romney talks of leadership but with his reckless commentary when events were fragile and still unfolding, he belly-flopped.".....

IPS – Libya, Egypt Embassy Attacks Fuel U.S. Presidential Race | Inter Press Service
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"...In speaking out before he was fully aware of the situation on the ground, Governor Romney chose the path of the impulsive politician rather that the road taken by a measured leader—and all in the quest of political gain.

I’m sure the irony of our Ambassador’s death at the hands of such a mob is completely lost on Governor Romney who has now cashed in the decency I have always ascribed to the man in exchange for his willingness to do anything—and say anything—if it helps him capture the prize he so intensely seeks....

The Lost Soul Of Mitt Romney - Forbes
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Mitt Romney’s sharply-worded attack on President Obama over a pair of deadly riots in Muslim countries last night has backfired badly among foreign policy hands of both parties, who cast it as hasty and off-key, released before the facts were clear at what has become a moment of tragedy...

Foreign policy hands voice disbelief at Romney Cairo statement | Deseret News
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Seriously, what kind of person would undermine his own country and without knowing the facts politicize an attack on US embassies that ultimately killed several US diplomats? Eww, Romney do.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I hope your being paid for these posts of yours, because this is a pretty pathetic display.
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yeah, I don't think prof actually responds to any threads other than his own. should be some sort of forum rule against that imo


10:1 ratio of thread starts to thread responses sounds good
 
So what we learned today is that The Prof does not know the difference between "apology"(this is what the article talks about), and "apologist"(which is entirely unmentioned in the article). I wonder what his source says the definition of apology is: Apology - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1
a : a formal justification : defense
b : excuse 2a

2
: an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret <a public apology>

3
: a poor substitute : makeshift
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So now we know why he had to use a different word. Those silly fact checkers, who where actually right, and poor Prof, who was wrong and dishonest and caught at it.
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

apologize: to make a formal defense or justification in speech or writing

apologize - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education

apologize: to act as an apologist

Dictionary: Online definitions and pronunciations - Yahoo! Education

as in: see president punt apologize for his embassy's apology

Here's a Timeline of the Confusing Statements on Libya and Egypt - Garance Franke-Ruta - The Atlantic
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Yes, they are different words with different definitions. Face it, you got caught trying to distort meanings.
 
different words with different definitions
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LOL!

burns and haberman: the obama administration tried to distance itself from the us embassy statement out of cairo offering apologies for the anti-muslim film that created the unrest in egypt and libya"

has anyone fact checked those funny, phony factcheckers, those "apology experts?"

"the occupy movement gave the opening to obama"

"health care reform is more likely to help the president than hurt him"

"he's the cutest guy at the dance"

why is the cutest guy dancing away?

and why did cairo delete the tweets?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Yes, snippets of info from multiple times and places patched together to create the narrative you want -- all in service to an attack on the source -- like I said, pathetic and transparent.
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It's called building an argument and "thinking for yourself" - a "pathetic display" would be something like posting the links and simply stating "this is pretty pathetic and transparent."
 
Taylor said:
It's called building an argument and "thinking for yourself" - a "pathetic display" would be something like posting the links and simply stating "this is pretty pathetic and transparent."
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What a courageous take on spinning bull****.
 
The Prof said:
like citing professors murphy, bloom and howard-hassmann to show that while not saying "i'm sorry," this administration acts the abject apologist?

did anyone fact check ms bloom's ten reasons?

i mean, is he really the cutest guy at the dance?

LOL!
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Yes, cause a couple mined quotes encapsulate their points of view on all matters. I could debate the meaningfulness of the quotes you chose, but why give credit to such a dishonest tactic?
 
all the apologies don't quite seem to be paying off

Turmoil in the Arab world linked to an American-made video denigrating the Prophet Muhammad spread on Thursday to Yemen, where hundreds of protesters attacked the American Embassy, two days after assailants killed four Americans in Libya, including the ambassador, and crowds tried to overrun the embassy compound in Cairo.

News reports also spoke of a protest in Tehran, where around 500 Iranians chanting “Death to America” tried to converge on the Swiss Embassy, which handles United States interests in the absence of formal diplomatic relations with Washington. Hundreds of police officers held the crowds back from the diplomatic compound, witnesses said.

For a third consecutive day at the American Embassy in Cairo, protesters scuffled with police officers firing tear gas, witnesses said, and the state news agency reported that 13 people were injured. In Iraq, a militant Shiite group, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, once known for its violent attacks on Americans and other Westerners, reportedly said the video “will put all American interests in danger.” Protests were also reported at American missions in Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia, where the police also fired tear gas to disperse crowds. There were also news reports that the authorities in Afghanistan had suppressed Internet access to prevent users from viewing the offending video online in order to forestall protests there.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/w...moil-spreads-to-us-embassy-in-yemen.html?_r=1

maybe president punt and his sadsack secty of state should try groveling
 
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