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My Latest Philosophy . . .

joko104 said:
It seems the best choice is to figure out who the incumbent is, either party, and vote against the incumbent. Nearly all people think the government is not doing a good job, but still vote for THEIR incumbents as if somehow different or has good excuses.
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Yes, but you can't replace them with the same lot, nothing will change there either. If you want it to change, you have to put in completely different sorts of folk.
 
Cole said:
Am not seeing the evidence that Obama is genuinely proposing cutting spending in any meaningful way. And as i listened to his DNC convention acceptance speech, all i was hearing was $cha-ching$ as he (Obama) kept listing off all the great new programs he was going to provide. Obama's focus is on semi-meanless rate increases on the top earners which will have near zero impact on our annual deficit numbers. Motivated by rallying his base via standard "us versus them" strategy. And its seem to be working pretty well for him.
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One doesn't really see cuts mentioned in convention speeches. But Obama is the one of the two major parties even in the Ballpark.... barely.

And not much impressed with the GOP either (Ryan possibly being the exception). Most of the fluff that Boehner and the other GOP leadship spout are smoke and mirrors spending cuts that translate to airballs.
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Voila!
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-us-presidential-election/115982-ron-paul-alas-only-choice.html

I don't even get the GOP 'platform'. What the hell is an across the board 20% tax cut?
They've been debating for years on how much of the last (10%) tax cut to Give Back
One assumes the're lyng about spending too, but a Tax Cut? Tell me you're kidding.
It's the most ridiculous and inappropriate populist pander I've ever seen in an election.

Pretty sure the only way out of the current economic abyss we are headed for is with a savvy Benevolent Dictator. Not sure where we find one of those, but i would support the little fellas coronation about now.....
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The Kyle Bass Watch list.
He's easily the best I've ever seen on the issue at hand
On BNN/Canada's Business Network
Dec 13.
11 summarizing minutes;
Prepare for a European default: Kyle Bass - BNN News

On BBC's Hard Talk Dec 2011.
Those damn short sellers.... - YouTube

Two longer interviews for yet more elaborated and brilliant explanations of why we are, where we are.

The original at Americatalyst
Nov 2010;
'Confessions of a Dangerous mind' 2010 Kyle Bass at AmeriCatalyst 2010 - Confessions of a Dangerous Mind - YouTube

and follow-up:
Nov 7, 2011;
Kyle Bass Redux:: 'Come Undone' 2011 AC2011 Session 1.2 Come Undone - Kyle Bass redux - YouTube
 
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Cole said:
Pretty sure the only way out of the current economic abyss we are headed for is with a savvy Benevolent Dictator. Not sure where we find one of those, but i would support the little fellas coronation about now.....
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Perhaps we could put together a last-minute campaign to have Vauge as a write-in.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Gridlock is good? Wtf?
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Yes. Gridlock is good. When either party has strong control, in the house, senate, and presidency, this means that huge amounts of money are being spent, at the expense of the taxpayer, and frankly, those of us who are supporting the federal government and its expenses, are reaching the point that we are tired of excessive government spending.
 
MaggieD said:
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After having posted a thread that asked posters to post specifics about what their party actually said they would do to alleviate the serious problems our country is facing . . . and after my own failure to be able to post specifics about what Romney/Ryan actually said they would do . . . and after realizing that the reason I failed is that Romney/Ryan and Obama/Biden present us with no such specifics, I've decided I'm not playing their silly games anymore.

My current plan: Determine which candidate I believe will win the election as best I can and then vote the opposite straight line ticket...hoping to avoid a sitting president having a majority in either chamber.

Frankly? I'm thinking that's the best way to use my vote. Thoughts?
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You have to understand

The only thing liberals can run on is fear mongering, division, objectification, smear campaigns, lying, and pretending Obama is Santa Claus and the Obamas are The Cleavers. It's not reality.

Obama can't run on his record. Nor has he proposed any responsible solutions. Why should he? He can just attack anything Romney/Ryan bring to the table and the corrupt MSM will give him a pass and cheer him on.
 
lizzie said:
Yes. Gridlock is good. When either party has strong control, in the house, senate, and presidency, this means that huge amounts of money are being spent, at the expense of the taxpayer, and frankly, those of us who are supporting the federal government and its expenses, are reaching the point that we are tired of excessive government spending.
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So you would rather just throw a monkeywrench in the whole thing? What an attitude. "It's not what I like, so just let it burn!"
 
Guy Incognito said:
So you would rather just throw a monkeywrench in the whole thing? What an attitude. "It's not what I like, so just let it burn!"
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It isn't a matter of attitude, but of being able to see the handwriting on the wall. Government shouldn't exist to "fix" all our problems by throwing our money down the toilet. We would be better served if they would get the hell out of the way and let market forces work the way they work best. Stop propping up the failures (the Too Big to Fail), and let honest intelligent minds and businesses fill the void. Our government has become little more than a joke and a sugar daddy.
 
lizzie said:
It isn't a matter of attitude, but of being able to see the handwriting on the wall. Government shouldn't exist to "fix" all our problems by throwing our money down the toilet. We would be better served if they would get the hell out of the way and let market forces work the way they work best. Stop propping up the failures (the Too Big to Fail), and let honest intelligent minds and businesses fill the void. Our government has become little more than a joke and a sugar daddy.
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Yes, it is a matter of attitude and you can either keep wishing for pie in the sky **** or your can get real. Those are your attitude options. You've clearly chosen the former.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yes, it is a matter of attitude and you can either keep wishing for pie in the sky **** or your can get real.
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Yeah, we can either try to start fixing an out-of-control, over-extended government now, or just wait until it collapses under its own weight. That should be pretty.
 
Government getting out of the way or enabling corporatism run amok is what caused the Market meltdown. We don't need so many people getting aid indefinitely but the natural Darwinist theory of only the strong survive is what is happening in the business/economic world and it's uncivilized. The top will pound everyone in the ground to win all the marbles and it's a problem.
 
grip said:
Government getting out of the way or enabling corporatism run amok is what caused the Market meltdown. We don't need so many people getting aid indefinitely but the natural Darwinist theory of only the strong survive is what is happening in the business/economic world and it's uncivilized. The top will pound everyone in the ground to win all the marbles and it's a problem.
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Everything was relatively fine until they doubled down with 2 huge mistakes in 1999, by deregulation of financial institutions, coupled with encouraging loose lending practices. That really isn't getting out of the way, as they made deals with each other in order to meet personal goals, on each side of the aisle. What I am talking about is for then to stop intervening and determining the winners and the losers. What happened in our meltdown was not government getting out of the way, but government screwing things up, then compounding their screw-up by saving failed businesses.
 
And as Greenspan said, "It's human nature (greed) and it'll happen again in some other way".

The government couldn't allow the banking system to collapse. It would've been financial Armageddon with all the global markets collapsing in a domino effect. Money world wide would have been worthless within months. The problem is also when they intertwined all global trading, which was the next inevitable step to continued prosperity. The world will eventually have to mature and redefine success as "not those who have the most" and more of "those who recognize the inherit value of humanity". When we place our pride and materialism above each other in the conquest of individualism it will eventually lead to social chaos.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Hell no. That's a terrible idea, and here's why.

We need to get stuff done next term. I honestly don't care who does it but something needs to get done. Shed your tears for bipartisanship and then face up to the reality that politics these days is an all or nothing proposition. So if you are really interested in voting to ensure that nothing gets done and we are gridlocked for the next two years, by all means vote that way. But if you care about the economy, it is better to have a congress and president that are in the same party, even if you disagree with them. So figure out who has the best shot of taking congress and vote for that party's candidate for president.

The answer is democrats and Obama.
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I don't want them doing the stuff they want to do. The country can't take anymore Liberalism.
 
apdst said:
I don't want them doing the stuff they want to do. The country can't take anymore Liberalism.
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So you would rather destroy our entire economy with gridlock if you don't get your way?I think you will get your wish.
 
lizzie said:
Our government has become little more than a joke and a sugar daddy.
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The big brother fascist state our government is growing into is not a laughing matter.
 
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