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Public Sector Jobs Significantly Decrease Under Obama

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WOW!


Public sector jobs increased under Bush by 1.751 Million.
Yet, under Obama public sector jobs decreased by 655 thousand which is a decrease of 37.4%


If that hadn't happened today's unemployment figure would be well under 8%
This give you a very good indication what happens when income revenue decreases.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data - Government Original Data Value
Bureau of Labor Statistics Dataof Labor Statistics Data - Government 1-Month Net Change




latest_numbers_CES9000000001_2001_2012_all_period_M08_data.gif





YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecTotal
20013171394737108483324335129
2002221341127135-545-4313227
200338-2-14-15-283927-77-5254-2311
2004-81238260-13520921361
2005429-41427-18946-18-163020
2006-323125167-4513871-14155
200773618261814-365553183742
200805217726334920-7-9-6-3Bush
1751
2009211-12110-49-56-43-12-15300-51
20100-84846432-259-150-179-14224-13-20
2011-9-37-15-13-54-18-7933-14-27-21-11
2012-25-4-17-29-18-21-7Obama
-655
 
In January 2008, there were 22,500,000 public workers.

In August 2012, there were 1,059,000 unemployed public workers representing 5.1% of the workforce. When you do the math, it computes to there being 20,764,705 total public workers under Obama....a decrease of 1,735,295 workers in the sector today than in January 2008.

I don't understand what you've done with the charts/graphs you've linked to, but these numbers are correct from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Private Sector unemployment stands at 8.1%. U.S. economy adds 103,000 private sector August jobs; unemployment at 8.1% - National liberal | Examiner.com

Public and Private Sector unemployment are figured separately.
 
pbrauer said:
WOW!


Public sector jobs increased under Bush by 1.751 Million.
Yet, under Obama public sector jobs decreased by 655 thousand which is a decrease of 37.4%


If that hadn't happened today's unemployment figure would be well under 8%
This give you a very good indication what happens when income revenue decreases.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data - Government Original Data Value
Bureau of Labor Statistics Dataof Labor Statistics Data - Government 1-Month Net Change




latest_numbers_CES9000000001_2001_2012_all_period_M08_data.gif





YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecTotal
20013171394737108483324335129
2002221341127135-545-4313227
200338-2-14-15-283927-77-5254-2311
2004-81238260-13520921361
2005429-41427-18946-18-163020
2006-323125167-4513871-14155
200773618261814-365553183742
200805217726334920-7-9-6-3Bush
1751
2009211-12110-49-56-43-12-15300-51
20100-84846432-259-150-179-14224-13-20
2011-9-37-15-13-54-18-7933-14-27-21-11
2012-25-4-17-29-18-21-7Obama
-655
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The states can't print their own money genius

Public Sector Jobs at the Federal Level are way up. Their unemployment rate is below 6% and their salaries are above the average median income of their counterparts in the private sector who FUND these Public Sector jobs.

Go take an economics class please. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
MaggieD said:
In January 2008, there were 22,500,000 public workers.

In August 2012, there were 1,059,000 unemployed public workers representing 5.1% of the workforce. When you do the math, it computes to there being 20,764,705 total public workers under Obama....a decrease of 1,735,295 workers in the sector today than in January 2008.

I don't understand what you've done with the charts/graphs you've linked to, but these numbers are correct from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Private Sector unemployment stands at 8.1%. U.S. economy adds 103,000 private sector August jobs; unemployment at 8.1% - National liberal | Examiner.com

Public and Private Sector unemployment are figured separately.
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The 5.1 figure is not relevant here because its about internal government employees not public workers, like police, fire and teachers, etc
Of course they are correct, I provided that link as well. And it shows 22376 public workers in Jan 2008
The table I provided was from the same data but at the 1-month net change level.
 
pbrauer said:
The 5.1 figure is not relevant here because its about internal government employees not public workers, like police, fire and teachers, etc
Of course they are correct, I provided that link as well. And it shows 22376 public workers in Jan 2008
The table I provided was from the same data but at the 1-month net change level.
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Okay, PB, I'll take your word for it. But I don't understand how there were only 22,376 public workers in January 2008....

Anyhow, I won't derail the thread any longer. I don't understand your stats, so I'll just move along. :)
 
pbrauer said:
WOW!


Public sector jobs increased under Bush by 1.751 Million.
Yet, under Obama public sector jobs decreased by 655 thousand which is a decrease of 37.4%


If that hadn't happened today's unemployment figure would be well under 8%
This give you a very good indication what happens when income revenue decreases.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data - Government Original Data Value
Bureau of Labor Statistics Dataof Labor Statistics Data - Government 1-Month Net Change




latest_numbers_CES9000000001_2001_2012_all_period_M08_data.gif





YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecTotal
20013171394737108483324335129
2002221341127135-545-4313227
200338-2-14-15-283927-77-5254-2311
2004-81238260-13520921361
2005429-41427-18946-18-163020
2006-323125167-4513871-14155
200773618261814-365553183742
200805217726334920-7-9-6-3Bush
1751
2009211-12110-49-56-43-12-15300-51
20100-84846432-259-150-179-14224-13-20
2011-9-37-15-13-54-18-7933-14-27-21-11
2012-25-4-17-29-18-21-7Obama
-655
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Does this include state jobs as well or just Federal positions? There's certain government jobs Obama can control and certain one's he can't, many states are suffering under the recession and making cuts on their own accord.
 
MaggieD said:
Okay, PB, I'll take your word for it. But I don't understand how there were only 22,376 public workers in January 2008....

Anyhow, I won't derail the thread any longer. I don't understand your stats, so I'll just move along. :)
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If you look at the scale on the left side, you will see it is in units of 1,000, so its really 22.3 million
 
megaprogman said:
If you look at the scale on the left side, you will see it is in units of 1,000, so its really 22.3 million
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Exactly. It's PB that's calling it low. I'm so confuuuuuzed! Ha!
 
Wiseone said:
Does this include state jobs as well or just Federal positions? There's certain government jobs Obama can control and certain one's he can't, many states are suffering under the recession and making cuts on their own accord.
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I believe they are state jobs like police, fire and teachers.
 
pbrauer said:
I believe they are state jobs like police, fire and teachers.
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Then credit for those would go to state governors and the like, you need to separate out just the Federal Jobs.
 
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Wiseone said:
Obama was sworn in on 20 Jan. On 1 Jan 09 according to your source the number of Federal jobs was 2,790,000 and again according to your source it now sits at 2,804,000. So thats actually an increase.

Do you have another source?
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That's correct, but that's only 14K jobs.
 
pbrauer said:
My OP stated public sector jobs, not federal government jobs. It's confusing.
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Ok thats true but you were giving Obama the credit for all public sector jobs when as President he doesn't have authority or all of them and of those where he does have authority, at the Federal level, how many of the gains and loses throughout his Presidency were his decisions or were influenced by his decisions. For example the President doesn't personally hire or fire anyone but if wanted a certain department to get a little smaller than other people would make the decisions on who to keep, he could take credit for that. But at the same time department heads and even middle managers have influence within their sections on how many people they want/need on board working there.

And Congress, which passes the budgets, constantly earmarks things for certain purposes. For example in another topic I posted a story about the DoD has an earmarked budget for submarines, 2 to be exact, but if an upcoming possible budget cut happens they'll only have enough for 1.8 submarines. Well you can't by .8 submarines so the logical thing would be to move that money somewhere else, but you can't because its been earmarked by Congress for buying submarines. Whos to say they don't do the same with the number of employees certain departments will have or determine how much money those departments will have for hiring?

Basically what I'm saying is that theres more to whats going on than "Obama was President during this time, this thing happened during that time, therefore he gets credit"

And your OP was still very misleading because of all the mentioned above.
 
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