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Ryan Says Obama Keeping Gas Prices High

The government could lower gas prices by changing the regulations on specific blends of gasoline that are allowed to be made.

As to why companies aren't drilling on the land they have access to: Energy Companies Are Not Sitting On "Inactive" Oil Leases, President Obama - Forbes


Ryan's comment is an attack on the President's lack of an extensive, open energy policy in general, using gas prices as a measure of that plan.

We're sitting on the largest supply of oil in the world and the president has continued to block efforts to expand domestic production. He promised in 2008 he would reduce energy dependence on foreign countries. He lied. Permits are down on Federal land by almost 40% and he has blocked all off shore drilling while giving billions of taxpayer money to countries like Brazil for energy production

And I haven't even started to talk about how Obama is destroying the coal industry yet.

All Bush had to do was threaten to expand American Production and gas went down to 1.79$ before he left office.

That's what Obama "inherited" from the EVIL BUSH. 1.79$ gallon gas. It's almost 4 dollars now. It that "Bush's fault" too?
 
Ryan and the romneybots seem to have a short memory. It was just a moth ago i was buying gas in the 2.80s. That was a price i did not think i would ever see again. Of course, I remember back when the Iraq and afganistan wars were in full swing and gas was above 4 dollars and close to 5 dollars a gallon. But the world has a short memory, and obviously when we elect a president we also make them head of all the oil companies so they must set gas prices.

The real problems with gas prices are the greedy people who run the gas companies. Who wants to cut the taxes of the rich oil companies while they make record profits again?

oh, and if you want some cheapo oil i do believe it is washing up in louisiana again. You remember all that oil the bacteria supposedly ate and magically disappeared after BP flooded the gulf with it.
 
Somebody sold you a steaming pile. The oil companies aren't drilling on the parcels of land they own and have drilling options on. Could it be that they would rather keep supplies low in a bad economy and the price higher? How do pump prices match to oil prices? Not well. They go up as fast if not faster, and come down slower, if at all.

Not mention that we are exporting 400,000 Barrels of refined gasoline a day. The price of gasoline is manipulated for higher profits using any means necessary. That's why it never goes much above or below $4. The oil companies have found that consumption drops whan gas gets much above $4.
 
SAN RAMON, Calif. - Paul Ryan said today the president has gone to "great lengths" to make gas more expensive in this country.
This would only really amount to a conspiracy theory if you didn't have the cheapest gas prices in the western world. Our Unleaded is at $7.35/gal, as of yesterday morning. No one here appears to be blaming Obama.
 
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We're sitting on the largest supply of oil in the world and the president has continued to block efforts to expand domestic production. He promised in 2008 he would reduce energy dependence on foreign countries. He lied. Permits are down on Federal land by almost 40% and he has blocked all off shore drilling while giving billions of taxpayer money to countries like Brazil for energy production

And I haven't even started to talk about how Obama is destroying the coal industry yet.

All Bush had to do was threaten to expand American Production and gas went down to 1.79$ before he left office.

That's what Obama "inherited" from the EVIL BUSH. 1.79$ gallon gas. It's almost 4 dollars now. It that "Bush's fault" too?

All we need is another deep recession like Bush had and gas will go to those prices again. I guess that seems fine to you. Why do Republicans love recessions? Is it because they cause so many of them?
You contine to ignore that domestic Oil production DECLINED during the Bush years and under Obama thay have increased more than in the last 25 years.
 
Obama is a global warming nut that hates fossil fuel and has kept new drilling from taking place on fed lands. Usually in a bad economy gas prices fall but obama has managed to turn that around with his anti oil policies and rhetoric.

So you are going to go out on a limb and blame Obama for gas prices in an economy where demand for it is actually down and the prices are inflated by corrupt speculators doing insider trading so that they get a big return on their investments? That's your story and your sticking to it? It's all Obama's fault right? lol
 
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Gas prices will not only continue to be high but they will dramatically increase in the next 10 years. By 2015 - 2016 we will likely see peaks of $10 - $15 per gallon gas, and those are real prices, not inflation. It matters not if a Republican or Democrat is in office, you can't change the fact that the world is running out of oil.
 
All we need is another deep recession like Bush had and gas will go to those prices again. I guess that seems fine to you. Why do Republicans love recessions? Is it because they cause so many of them?
You contine to ignore that domestic Oil production DECLINED during the Bush years and under Obama thay have increased more than in the last 25 years.

Obama's "Recovery" is worse than the recession

So where are those low gas prices genius?
 
Thought that was pot.. Coke is Bush's drug of choice!

Getting harder to keep up with the drug of choice for our Presidents. Even as they wage their War on Drugs, spending billions and putting in prisons many thousands.
 
Obama's "Recovery" is worse than the recession

So where are those low gas prices genius?

The demand for oil worldwide increases as the world population grows. The meltdown of 2007 / 2008 lowered consumption enough to give the world some breathing room in supply vs. demand. Since then oil consumption has slowly inched back up, as the delta again tightens we see increasingly expensive gas.
 
Obama signed his Free Trade Agreement in Oct, 2011 with South Korea, Panama, Columbia.

All 3 of these countries represent 1.7% of the World's GDP. Hardly enough impact to influence global oil demand, and certainly zero impact after a mere 12 months in effect.

He advocates for such policies is my point.
 
Ryan and the romneybots seem to have a short memory. It was just a moth ago i was buying gas in the 2.80s. That was a price i did not think i would ever see again.


Yes, I also remember how the last time gas prices were this high, with Republican's in charge, you had all three networks, and the likes of Schumer, Pelosi, and the conga line of demo's parading in front of the camera's nightly complaining, and blaming it on Bush...Now all the sudden, NOTHING is the President's fault....Wonder why that is?

Of course, I remember back when the Iraq and afganistan wars were in full swing and gas was above 4 dollars and close to 5 dollars a gallon. But the world has a short memory, and obviously when we elect a president we also make them head of all the oil companies so they must set gas prices.

You seem to not have a clue how oil pricing works....

The real problems with gas prices are the greedy people who run the gas companies. Who wants to cut the taxes of the rich oil companies while they make record profits again?

Oh, I just love this whinny OWS driven false narrative. Now pay attention and allow some education as to whom is the real greedy ones in this picture...

With the average price of gas in America hovering around $3.50 per gallon for regular unleaded, it costs more than $50 to fill a typical car's 15-gallon tank this summer. Why does gas cost so much?

You may blame high gas prices on rich oil company executives or greedy gas station owners. The truth is that governments rake in a larger profit at the pump than anyone—and with gas taxes on the rise in many parts of the country, there's no relief in sight.

The price of a gallon of gas is based on the combination of four costs: that of crude oil, of refining gas, of distribution and marketing, and of taxes.

Crude oil costs make up about 76% of the cost of gasoline, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). Thus $2.66 of a $3.50 gallon of gasoline is set before the oil is even refined. Global markets, reacting to supply and demand, determine the cost of crude oil. Just like any commodity, from gold to corn, a shortage in supply or an increase in demand leads to a rise in prices.

Refining oil is the next step in the process—and the next expense for drivers. Gasoline is extracted from crude oil and additives, including lubricants and detergents to reduce engine deposits, are added. As of January 2012, the EIA found that refining was responsible for 6% of the cost of gasoline.

Distribution and marketing—the part of the process most apparent to consumers—constitutes another 6% of gas prices. That portion of the cost includes the shipping and transportation of the gasoline, a markup to cover retailers' expenses, and any advertising created to appeal to customers.


The remaining 12%—or almost 50 cents per gallon today—goes directly to federal, state and local governments in an array of sales and excise taxes. The federal gas tax is 18.4 cents on every gallon of gasoline sold in America. State gas-tax rates vary from a low of eight cents per gallon in Alaska to a jarring 49 cents per gallon in New York. Other states where it's steep to fill up include California and Connecticut—each with 48.6-cent-per-gallon gas taxes—and Hawaii, at 47.1 cents per gallon.

Some local governments have gotten in on the act, too. In California, local sales and excise taxes on gasoline average 3.1%, according to the Los Angeles Times. That works out to about 12 cents in local taxes for each gallon of gas, based on the state's current average of $3.80 per gallon.

Skokie, Ill., a suburb north of Chicago, levies a gas tax of three cents per gallon. You'll pay an extra nickel per gallon at gas stations in Eugene, Ore. And the next time you're gambling in Las Vegas, you'll need plenty of cash left over to cover Clark County's 10 cent local tax on a gallon of gas. In Florida, Brevard County (home to the Kennedy Space Center) expects to siphon more than $15 million from motorists this year, according to the newspaper Florida Today.

Put this all together, and government makes far more from gas sales than all of the oil companies put together. Exxon, for example, made only seven cents per gallon of gasoline in 2011. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly 50 cents per gallon that federal, state and local governments rake in on an average gallon of gas pumped in the U.S.

Most people have to drive—whether to work, to the grocery store, to pick up kids from school or for dozens of other reasons. For some families struggling to make ends meet, paying 50 cents per gallon in taxes may be the difference between driving to work and putting dinner on the table.

Drew Johnson: Who Really Gets Rich Off High Gas Prices? - WSJ.com

oh, and if you want some cheapo oil i do believe it is washing up in louisiana again. You remember all that oil the bacteria supposedly ate and magically disappeared after BP flooded the gulf with it.

Did you know that even if there weren't one single oil drilling rig in the Gulf, that there would still be tar balls that wash up due to natural seepage?
 
Don't forget to add that oil corporations are the most profitable businesses in history, they also receive 50 billion+ a year in subsidies from the government. I know that doesn't fit your narrative of big bad government sucking the average Joe's wallet dry and using that money to provide critical services, but hey just so you know.
 
Don't forget to add that oil corporations are the most profitable businesses in history, they also receive 50 billion+ a year in subsidies from the government. I know that doesn't fit your narrative of big bad government sucking the average Joe's wallet dry and using that money to provide critical services, but hey just so you know.

It's not a narrative, it's a fact....Oil companies make about 7% profit, and government makes about 12%....That is a fact.

That they receive subsidies? Well, these things would have to be looked at to determine what it is you are really talking about...I have a feeling it is yet more jealousy.

As for how profitable they are, this is largely on sheer volume, not gouging or anything of the kind.
 
It's not a narrative, it's a fact....Oil companies make about 7% profit, and government makes about 12%....That is a fact.

That they receive subsidies? Well, these things would have to be looked at to determine what it is you are really talking about...I have a feeling it is yet more jealousy.

As for how profitable they are, this is largely on sheer volume, not gouging or anything of the kind.

Oh wow a conservative who doesn't believe oil subsidies exist, I guess you have no choice but to play the ignorant / denial card because your arguments wouldn't work without it.

Its interesting that when it comes to taxpayer money going to corporations you're fine with that, you'll make excuses for them. When it comes to taxpayer money going back to the people this upsets you, why? If corporations are people isn't government people too? I'd really like to understand how your mind works.
 
its actually a shame that there are americans that think this is possible to any real extent
 
Obama's 'Gone to Great Lengths' to Keep Gas Prices High, Ryan Says - Yahoo! News

Why?

Why would Obama do this? (not saying he is)

Wouldn't it be better for Obama to keep prices low?

Why would high gas prices help Obama?

Would you like to take your best shot of explaining what a president can do to set gas prices? There is world market for gasoline. It is that market that sets the price without regard to individual political units, subject only to transportation costs and things like tariffs and taxes. I don't recall congress passing any tariffs or tax increases lately.

Yes, presidents in the past have released gasoline from the nation's energy reserves. This extra supply can have the short-term of easing prices, but only in the short-run. Otherwise, the price of gasoline is generally out of the hands of government (and particularly the president, given taxes are the domain of Congress).
 
its actually a shame that there are americans that think this is possible to any real extent

Those individuals must really believe he has those magical Messianic powers that they keep on about.
 
Oh wow a conservative who doesn't believe oil subsidies exist, I guess you have no choice but to play the ignorant / denial card because your arguments wouldn't work without it.


Being new here, I'll cut some slack on the "ignorant" talk, but I'd watch it....This isn't other boards that allow more lax standard of opponent attack. As to your first part here, where did I say that I didn't believe that subsidies exist? I just said I'd like to see in depth what you are talking about so that we can determine if they are indeed subsidy, or tax breaks that every other business gets to take.

Its interesting that when it comes to taxpayer money going to corporations you're fine with that, you'll make excuses for them.

Where'd I say that? I think you are assuming much that you don't know.

When it comes to taxpayer money going back to the people this upsets you, why?

Once again you are incorrect. I am not against helping those who actually need assistance. But, that assistance should be temporary, and based on actual need, not on some grand redistribution scheme cooked up by jealous nare do wells that want something for nothing.

If corporations are people isn't government people too?

No. Government are people that WE the PEOPLE employ. Corporations are entities that have taken risk on an idea or product that the rest of us benefit from.

I'd really like to understand how your mind works.

Well, since we live in a center right country, I'd say it works like the majority of the people in this country.
 
I don't think he's doing anything to keep gas prices "high." In fact, relatively speaking, I don't think gasoline prices are high enough.

Why would a president do what he could to keep prices high? If he were trying to socially engineer alternative fuels and fuel efficient motor vehicles, making sure gasoline stayed at $10/gallon would get the job done in just a few years.

The why is easy enough, to allow the growth of alternatives in an artificially levelled playing field. As to why not $10 a gallon? Well, if you incentivise too far one way before the market is ready, you end up incentivising profit taking rather than development of alternatives. Not to mention he'd be drawn and quartered on the White House lawn with all of congress and the American people cheering. Social engineering is a balancing act.

And to answer some of the other posts, yes, he has a great number of tools to use to achieve higher or lower gas prices. He could allow more drilling and in more places through the Dept of the Interior. He could have released from the stratigic reserve back in March to lower gas prices for the summer as every other president in the modern era has done. He could have made the Keystone folks virtually subsidize the lowering of gas prices (coming from the refineries at the no tax international port setup) in exchange for his approval on the deal.

There's a whole lot more he could have done and could still do to lower the price of gasoline. However, then the funding of alternatives would go away again as their ROI isn't anywhere close to oil.
 
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Being new here, I'll cut some slack on the "ignorant" talk, but I'd watch it....This isn't other boards that allow more lax standard of opponent attack. As to your first part here, where did I say that I didn't believe that subsidies exist? I just said I'd like to see in depth what you are talking about so that we can determine if they are indeed subsidy, or tax breaks that every other business gets to take.



Where'd I say that? I think you are assuming much that you don't know.



Once again you are incorrect. I am not against helping those who actually need assistance. But, that assistance should be temporary, and based on actual need, not on some grand redistribution scheme cooked up by jealous nare do wells that want something for nothing.



No. Government are people that WE the PEOPLE employ. Corporations are entities that have taken risk on an idea or product that the rest of us benefit from.



Well, since we live in a center right country, I'd say it works like the majority of the people in this country.

You're really good at waffling. Watch it with the ignorant talk? No. Its not my job to educate you. If you don't know anything about a subject then do not comment on it or throw out skepticism. This coy dancing around crap is really annoying. Do you have an actual argument or are you just going to play dumb? Subsidies, tax breaks, stop playing with semantics, its free money, its corporate welfare they get when they are already the richest corporations in the history of the world (Exxon, Chevron, Conoco).

I'm not going to "play nice" with you, I've lurked around here for quite a while and I know the kind of games you play.
 
You're really good at waffling. Watch it with the ignorant talk? No. Its not my job to educate you. If you don't know anything about a subject then do not comment on it or throw out skepticism. This coy dancing around crap is really annoying. Do you have an actual argument or are you just going to play dumb? Subsidies, tax breaks, stop playing with semantics, its free money, its corporate welfare they get when they are already the richest corporations in the history of the world (Exxon, Chevron, Conoco).

I'm not going to "play nice" with you, I've lurked around here for quite a while and I know the kind of games you play.


See, the difference between you and I Verax, are that I believe, maybe stupidly, that we are having a conversation, a debate if you will. You seem to believe that in that conversation that you can make assertions about another, that you can say what ever you wish without question. Too bad for you that doesn't work out too well in here. You say you "lurked" about for some time now without posting, then you should know that often conversations happen where opposing sides actually do delve beyond the cursory name calling and childish one upsmanship to produce actual dialogue.

Now, I neither you to 'educate' me, nor do I need your snarky attitude as to telling me what I believe, or what I know, or do not know. We disagree. You should get used to that, because as you mature you will find there are a great many people, on a great many subjects that you disagree with, and that disagree with you. I would only hope that in the course of everyday interaction with others that you are not so quick to judge, and characterize as it won't serve you well at all.

As for you telling me what I should or shouldn't comment on, save your typing energy friend. Better than you have tried that tactic, and failed because it is a transparent attempt to project that you have little of intellectual value to offer so you must stifle others that are your debate superior. I wear it as a badge of honor, and a compliment.

Now, if you'd like to address what you meant concerning 'subsidies' then I am all ears, until then, your claims are baseless, and quite over played to begin with.

I am more than happy to speculate what you meant, but in this case I don't want to lower the standard to your particular playing field where I would be judging what you say based on vague language. So either clear it up, or don't respond to me....I'll just let you in on something, either way I really don't care, because at the end of the day there are many more progressive liberals that are far more articulate in expressing their views without the dishonest methods you have obviously adopted.

Have a wonderful night.
 
Give me a break, you should be a politician with all your hot air waffling, distraction, lets talk all high and mighty self righteous crap.

"We have different opinions" = I lost the argument because I don't know what I'm talking about so we "disagree".

"You need to show respect" = You made me look stupid so I need to pretend to take the high road, I'm so sophisticated and gentlemanly up here, lol.

Long story short, you're either ignorant about the government giving free money to oil companies or you're avoiding actually arguing that because you know its a loser.

Either way you lose.
 
Give me a break, you should be a politician with all your hot air waffling, distraction, lets talk all high and mighty self righteous crap.

"We have different opinions" = I lost the argument because I don't know what I'm talking about so we "disagree".

"You need to show respect" = You made me look stupid so I need to pretend to take the high road, I'm so sophisticated and gentlemanly up here, lol.

Long story short, you're either ignorant about the government giving free money to oil companies or you're avoiding actually arguing that because you know its a loser.

Either way you lose.


*shakes head* You still just don't get it do you...? Lose what? Since you have nothing to offer but personal attack, and will not articulate your claims, we are done here...Hopefully you will reflect and approach it differently....I doubt it...

Good night.
 
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