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FactCheck.org weighs in on Democratic convention speeches...

Phys251 said:
RealClearPolitics is not a legitimate source. Try again.
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Excuse me? Since when?

Besides... It's a GD video there sparky.


Don't bother though, because it's obvious I'm not going to get an honest discussion out of you, based on that comment alone... So you have a nice day.
 
Redress said:
I posted fact checks for both sides during the conventions. I don't have to do the selective outrage thing. I like facts, period, and I believe in calling politicians on their lies, period. Not just the other side, but both sides. The fact so many do the selective outrage thing is part of why the country is so divided, why politics is such a mess.
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Yes, you have, I've seen it with my own eyes.
 
Grim17 said:
Please prove that, or retract your statement.
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Prove that? What you don't even know what your own party platform is?

Abortion:
GOP Platform: Abortion Ban Approved By Republicans In Tampa

Taxes:
PolitiFact | Mitt Romney's plan would cut taxes for millionaires while raising them for the middle class, says Martin O'Malley

This one isn't real strong, however Republicans have spread rhetoric for many years now calling for taxing the poor / lower middle class. The Romney / Ryan plan numbers don't add up so where is that money going to come from? It is perfectly reasonable to suggest it could come from a middle class / lower tax increase.

Equal Pay for Women:

Equal Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Healthcare and contraceptives for women have been battled mostly by Evangelical Republicans forever, I'm not going to find you a link for something that is common knowledge. In fact this should all be common knowledge to you.
 
Phys251 said:
Oh! You're a freethinker! Well then. You should be well-versed in the basics of making logical, reasonable arguments and permitting your opponents to do the same, as opposed to making petty remarks and acting all butthurt. Right?
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Ah, more diversion. Asking a simple question, pointing out the falsehood of that members statement, is not petty, nor does it indicate anyone being butthurt. He is the one that said he posted information without comment, that is simply not true as shown. So the question is a valid one. His lack of response, or diversion when he did respond, speaks volumes.

And not speaking mythology has nothing to do with anything else. Another false assumption on your part.
 
Verax said:
Prove that? What you don't even know what your own party platform is?

Abortion:
GOP Platform: Abortion Ban Approved By Republicans In Tampa
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Let me show you what honesty and integrity is all about....

Yes, it's in the platform... My mistake.

Now, since it's been in the republican platform since Roe vs Wade, do you really think somehow this time, the republicans are going to actually make a serious effort to overturn that decision?

Taxes:
PolitiFact | Mitt Romney's plan would cut taxes for millionaires while raising them for the middle class, says Martin O'Malley

This one isn't real strong, however Republicans have spread rhetoric for many years now calling for taxing the poor / lower middle class. The Romney / Ryan plan numbers don't add up so where is that money going to come from? It is perfectly reasonable to suggest it could come from a middle class / lower tax increase.
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So you post an opinion piece as proof and have nothing substancial that backs up you belief. Sorry, but that's a big fat FAIL.



Equal Pay for Women:

Equal Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Healthcare and contraceptives for women have been battled mostly by Evangelical Republicans forever, I'm not going to find you a link for something that is common knowledge. In fact this should all be common knowledge to you.
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Show me a speech, a platform plank, or anything else that indicates that Romney want's to take away equal pay for women?

Fact is you can't... You are engaging in the same dishonest and despicable behavior that has become an integral part of liberal politics... You can't win on policy, so you attack and slander your opponants in the hopes you will get elected by default.
 
Grim17 said:
Excuse me? Since when?

Besides... It's a GD video there sparky.


Don't bother though, because it's obvious I'm not going to get an honest discussion out of you, based on that comment alone... So you have a nice day.
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You're conceding already? Oh well, gg, then. :)
 
Grim17 said:
And let's not forget the outrageous, despicable, and FALSE claims/attacks we heard out of the mouths of some of the speakers... Like for instance that if elected, Mitt Romney would:

raise taxes on middle class...
take away women's right to vote...
take away women's right to abortion...
take away women's right to quality education...
take away equal pay for women...
take away women's access to health care...
take away women's access to birth control pills...
And my personal favorite... that he would return America to the discrimination and violence against blacks that took place in the 1950's and 1960's​

I have never in my life, seen such a disgusting and shameful display of dishonest, slime ball politics. Seriously, how can you democrats tolerate such despicable behavior out of the people that represent your beliefs?
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And my personal favorite... that he would return America to the discrimination and violence against blacks that took place in the 1950's and 1960's
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Ok I'll bite, give me a link that verifies that outrageous claim. And I don't mean the Daily Caller.
The rest of them are more or less true.
 
Grim17 said:
Show me a speech, a platform plank, or anything else that indicates that Romney want's to take away equal pay for women?
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A member of his staff said at one point that he was against equal pay for women, but since then he has refused to answer the question every time it has come up.
 
teamosil said:
A member of his staff said at one point that he was against equal pay for women, but since then he has refused to answer the question every time it has come up.
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Well, I'm puttin' my money on that then. :shock:
 
MaggieD said:
Well, I'm puttin' my money on that then. :shock:
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It's a pretty safe bet that any given Republican politician is against equal pay for women, or at least against making equal pay for women the law. Only 5 Republican senators and 3 Republican representatives voted for it. The rest were all against.
 
teamosil said:
It's a pretty safe bet that any given Republican politician is against equal pay for women, or at least against making equal pay for women the law. Only 5 Republican senators and 3 Republican representatives voted for it. The rest were all against.
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Okaaay. I'll put my money on that. :lol:

How about a freakin' link?
 
pbrauer said:
And no one points out that during Obama's first year there were no credit markets available which was a consequence of the financial meltdown of the economy. This made job creation impossible.
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If you honestly believe this than I feel sorry for you

It's not credit that's been hindering job growth. It's uncertainty.
 
Bronson said:
If you honestly believe this than I feel sorry for you

It's not credit that's been hindering job growth. It's uncertainty.
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well said.. the banks will lend...they cant find anyone to take the money.. I know my Co is never in need of extra space on the credit line...I wish that was the problem...Id have no problems..
 
teamosil said:
Sure:

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
S.181: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress
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It only took me three posts to pry it out of you. Ha! ;) Thank you. Here's a description:

A bill to amend title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, and to modify the operation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to clarify that a discriminatory compensation decision or other practice that is unlawful under such Acts occurs each time compensation is paid pursuant to the discriminatory compensation decision or other practice, and for other purposes.
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This is part of the problem, seriously. WTF does that MEAN?? Did the Republicans vote against it because it was providing equal pay for equal work? Or because of some other nonsense included in it. You know what I'm saying is true. We are all so manipulated by obfuscation of both parties so as to get at the real truth is damn near impossible.
 
Travis007 said:
well said.. the banks will lend...they cant find anyone to take the money.. I know my Co is never in need of extra space on the credit line...I wish that was the problem...Id have no problems..
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My cousin, whose husband had just started a new business about three years ago, was just disgusted!!! that they couldn't borrow money to start it up. I quizzed her a little bit on it because I know they've got more money than the average bear, having three homes -- one in Florida, one in Wisconsin, one in suburban Chicago. Well, the truth of the matter is they wanted to borrow $250,000 without collateral.

We don't do that anymore. That's a good thing.

She could've had all the money she wanted for their new business had she been willing to pledge some of her assets.
 
Grim17 said:
Let me show you what honesty and integrity is all about....

Yes, it's in the platform... My mistake.

Now, since it's been in the republican platform since Roe vs Wade, do you really think somehow this time, the republicans are going to actually make a serious effort to overturn that decision?



So you post an opinion piece as proof and have nothing substancial that backs up you belief. Sorry, but that's a big fat FAIL.





Show me a speech, a platform plank, or anything else that indicates that Romney want's to take away equal pay for women?

Fact is you can't... You are engaging in the same dishonest and despicable behavior that has become an integral part of liberal politics... You can't win on policy, so you attack and slander your opponants in the hopes you will get elected by default.
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What planet are you on? These are all things Republicans, Fox news, Conservative AM radio, have advocated staunchly forever. These are things they want to get done. So now election time comes around and this is all baseless lies? Romney has an (R) next to his name, he is the Republican nominee for president, to pretend the beliefs of his party and him are disconnected is ridiculous. If he gets elected and breaks from his party and governs differently, he will be the biggest RINO in history. So is that what you want? Somebody who isn't actually truly Conservative?
 
teamosil said:
Sure:

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
S.181: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress
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all it did was increase the time an employer can be sued...its really kinda moot.. it was a law about the obvious age or sex discrimation laws already in place..

wow..what a bill... the Dems are heros..
New Federal Law Expands Employees


The Act provides that new charge-filing periods under a variety of federal anti-discrimination laws are triggered whenever an employee is affected by application of a discriminatory compensation decision or practice. Simply stated, the statute of limitations for claims of discrimination in compensation is restarted each time wages, benefits or other compensation resulting from such a decision or practice are paid to an employee.


cool name tho..Lilly Leadbetter..
 
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MaggieD said:
My cousin, whose husband had just started a new business about three years ago, was just disgusted!!! that they couldn't borrow money to start it up. I quizzed her a little bit on it because I know they've got more money than the average bear, having three homes -- one in Florida, one in Wisconsin, one in suburban Chicago. Well, the truth of the matter is they wanted to borrow $250,000 without collateral.

We don't do that anymore. That's a good thing.

She could've had all the money she wanted for their new business had she been willing to pledge some of her assets.
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well said...

Yep...they asked for something IMPOSSIBLE...they should have started slowly.
 
Travis007 said:
all itr did was increase the time an employer can be sued...

wow..what a bill... the Dems are heros..
New Federal Law Expands Employees

The Act provides that new charge-filing periods under a variety of federal anti-discrimination laws are triggered whenever an employee is affected by application of a discriminatory compensation decision or practice. Simply stated, the statute of limitations for claims of discrimination in compensation is restarted each time wages, benefits or other compensation resulting from such a decision or practice are paid to an employee.

cool name tho..Lilly Leadbetter..
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Thanks for posting this. That's my point. Most of us don't know what the HELL we're talking about. By design.
 
This is for information purpose only.

Just for the heck of it, I decided to ask my bank (20 years, perfect customer) if they would like to lend me some money but allow me to skip collateralizing the loan. They were like "sure, we'll be happy to" but you understand that for a signature loan, the rate is 12%. So, money is available that they get nearly free from Uncle Bersnakey and then lend out at 24 times mark-up.

I never borrow money but it was an education. Collateralized, I think it would have been 4.5%. Still very profitable for them.


MaggieD said:
My cousin, whose husband had just started a new business about three years ago, was just disgusted!!! that they couldn't borrow money to start it up. I quizzed her a little bit on it because I know they've got more money than the average bear, having three homes -- one in Florida, one in Wisconsin, one in suburban Chicago. Well, the truth of the matter is they wanted to borrow $250,000 without collateral.

We don't do that anymore. That's a good thing.

She could've had all the money she wanted for their new business had she been willing to pledge some of her assets.
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MaggieD said:
Thanks for posting this. That's my point. Most of us don't know what the HELL we're talking about. By design.
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Obama is taking credit that women needed ice in winter..

If Obama was any more empty his suit would have a hanger to hang on..: )
 
Bronson said:
If you honestly believe this than I feel sorry for you

It's not credit that's been hindering job growth. It's uncertainty.
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In 2009 it was that credit markets were frozen:

President Bush’s Speech to the Nation on the Economic Crisis


Good evening. This is an extraordinary period for America's economy.

Over the past few weeks, many Americans have felt anxiety about their finances and their future. I understand their worry and their frustration.

We've seen triple-digit swings in the stock market. Major financial institutions have teetered on the edge of collapse, and some have failed. As uncertainty has grown, many banks have restricted lending, credit markets have frozen, and families and businesses have found it harder to borrow money.

We're in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and the federal government is responding with decisive action.

We boosted confidence in money market mutual funds and acted to prevent major investors from intentionally driving down stocks for their own personal gain.

Most importantly, my administration is working with Congress to address the root cause behind much of the instability in our markets.

Financial assets related to home mortgages have lost value during the house decline, and the banks holding these assets have restricted credit. As a result, our entire economy is in danger.

So I propose that the federal government reduce the risk posed by these troubled assets and supply urgently needed money so banks and other financial institutions can avoid collapse and resume lending.

This rescue effort is not aimed at preserving any individual company or industry. It is aimed at preserving America's overall economy.

It will help American consumers and businesses get credit to meet their daily needs and create jobs. And it will help send a signal to markets around the world that America's financial system is back on track.

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