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Words Matter....

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Words do matter


 
Both sides are just scary, aren't they?

Yet they are both followed blindly by their true believers and nobody remembers theres a middle. They are so immersed in the power, glory, cocktail parties, world travel, speaking engagements, their careers, their income, their fabulous benefits that they really have no time to think of YOU.

How did we get here?
 
Yes yes they are all a bunch of hypocrites, lies, distorters of truth, and the reason they get away with it is simply because we believe and defend them. Of course we don't believe and defend all of them, just the half of them that belong to the party that we like, but those who belong to the party we do support? We'll defend them with every ounce of energy and twist and rationalize in any way we can to disregard criticism.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only discouraged independent. I see the passion with which side a or side b adore these guys and I think "are you not paying attention? Do you not see what a mockery they have made of us?"




Wiseone said:
Yes yes they are all a bunch of hypocrites, lies, distorters of truth, and the reason they get away with it is simply because we believe and defend them. Of course we don't believe and defend all of them, just the half of them that belong to the party that we like, but those who belong to the party we do support? We'll defend them with every ounce of energy and twist and rationalize in any way we can to disregard criticism.
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4 years ago i saw obama as a politician. he talked good and said a lot of the right things in my mind, but I know anyone with a good mind can talk a good game. I also understand you do not get up to that level without doing some rather bad things. They are all politicians, and in the end it should really be us vs them. They screw us over all the time, and make things better for themselves all the time. They make their own rules, and no honest good person could get anywhere near that load of crap. So obama for me was on my ****ty persons list, but he was less ****ty than mcCain after the palin pick.

I have watched obama for the past 4 years. I cursed him for failing in the healthcare area. It is better than it was, but it is not what he got me hoping for. most of all the concessions he made seemed worthless as he never got anything at all back. That was what really made me mad, compromise means you get something, and he gave up in so many ways. He did not seem to learn anything. He never pushed back and fought for what he believed in and promised. I felt betrayed, even though I did not trust him. I felt let down. then i watched the republicans get the house and just kick him around.

But, Maybe he saw something i did not, and maybe it was for the best he let the republicans win so much in the areas they did. Government funded health care was probably going to make things a lot worse, so looking back his concessions actually helped things stabalize. He did not just pull the troops out in a messy way, he solidified and ended the war in Iraq. When presented with the war in libya he did not plunge us in there despite the clear desperation in the uprising. He assisted and we avoided a third war. I want the war in afganistan to end, but we jumped into that pit knowing full well the problems the russians had withdrawing from that. Those problems were left for him, and i think he has done a good job with them.

But a little while ago the backbone came out. He had gotten months and months of job growth, and things were not just no longer crashing but growing steadily. When he saw the footing was there he killed DADT. He started to work in immigration. Right in the middle of a tight campaign he came out and said gays deserve marriage. That last one was a comment i thought was going to doom him, but it showed me something in him had to say it.

Against every cynical apathetic feeling I have towards the good of a politician and the reality of the world of politics, I keep seeing Obama shine through that big **** heap. I keep seeing him try to pull things together. I have watched him face down a good third of our country who has vile hatred for him while he did this. Against everything that i have learned in my life about how presidents are supposed to be a ****ty choice, and they are going to suck Obama keeps showing me i am wrong about him. I don't want to see his second term because I am afraid of Romney. Romney is not going to kill this country, he has too much of his wealth and power invested in it. I don't want to see his second term because he is just the other choice. I really want to see what the man who ended the war in Iraq, bounced the economy back on track, revamped our disaster of a health care system, and did all of these things while fighting against the ravenous hate of the right is going to do next term. he went through hell from the US people to make things better for the US people.

i believe in him because i have seen what he does and it is good.
 
pbrauer said:
Words do matter


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McConnell is no doubt a dumbass. But he is a senator, a senator that is in the minority. He doesn't have the power of the executive order.

No doubt in my mind, as I have said repeatedly, Romney probably won't make much of a difference. But I'm not as concerned about that as I am about continually voting out politicians that fail. If Romney fails, we vote him out as well.

tererun, great to see the total blindness come out.
 
Wiseone said:
Yes yes they are all a bunch of hypocrites, lies, distorters of truth, and the reason they get away with it is simply because we believe and defend them. Of course we don't believe and defend all of them, just the half of them that belong to the party that we like, but those who belong to the party we do support? We'll defend them with every ounce of energy and twist and rationalize in any way we can to disregard criticism.
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We know for sure and for certain that they are all thieves and liars. Therefore, the course to take is to elect those who have demonstrated by word and action that they intend to steal less.

If you are voting against the TEA Party Endorsed candidates, you are voting against your own self interests.
 
tererun said:
4 years ago i saw obama as a politician. he talked good and said a lot of the right things in my mind, but I know anyone with a good mind can talk a good game. I also understand you do not get up to that level without doing some rather bad things. They are all politicians, and in the end it should really be us vs them. They screw us over all the time, and make things better for themselves all the time. They make their own rules, and no honest good person could get anywhere near that load of crap. So obama for me was on my ****ty persons list, but he was less ****ty than mcCain after the palin pick.

I have watched obama for the past 4 years. I cursed him for failing in the healthcare area. It is better than it was, but it is not what he got me hoping for. most of all the concessions he made seemed worthless as he never got anything at all back. That was what really made me mad, compromise means you get something, and he gave up in so many ways. He did not seem to learn anything. He never pushed back and fought for what he believed in and promised. I felt betrayed, even though I did not trust him. I felt let down. then i watched the republicans get the house and just kick him around.

But, Maybe he saw something i did not, and maybe it was for the best he let the republicans win so much in the areas they did. Government funded health care was probably going to make things a lot worse, so looking back his concessions actually helped things stabalize. He did not just pull the troops out in a messy way, he solidified and ended the war in Iraq. When presented with the war in libya he did not plunge us in there despite the clear desperation in the uprising. He assisted and we avoided a third war. I want the war in afganistan to end, but we jumped into that pit knowing full well the problems the russians had withdrawing from that. Those problems were left for him, and i think he has done a good job with them.

But a little while ago the backbone came out. He had gotten months and months of job growth, and things were not just no longer crashing but growing steadily. When he saw the footing was there he killed DADT. He started to work in immigration. Right in the middle of a tight campaign he came out and said gays deserve marriage. That last one was a comment i thought was going to doom him, but it showed me something in him had to say it.

Against every cynical apathetic feeling I have towards the good of a politician and the reality of the world of politics, I keep seeing Obama shine through that big **** heap. I keep seeing him try to pull things together. I have watched him face down a good third of our country who has vile hatred for him while he did this. Against everything that i have learned in my life about how presidents are supposed to be a ****ty choice, and they are going to suck Obama keeps showing me i am wrong about him. I don't want to see his second term because I am afraid of Romney. Romney is not going to kill this country, he has too much of his wealth and power invested in it. I don't want to see his second term because he is just the other choice. I really want to see what the man who ended the war in Iraq, bounced the economy back on track, revamped our disaster of a health care system, and did all of these things while fighting against the ravenous hate of the right is going to do next term. he went through hell from the US people to make things better for the US people.

i believe in him because i have seen what he does and it is good.
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Not to put too fine a point on this, but the withdrawal of troops from Iraq followed the plan put in place by Bush. Ever hear of SOFA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

This level of a lack of understanding calls to question the rest of your logic.

All of the social issues you site are really States Rights issues. Nice to talk about, but ultimately not the job of the Feds.

The guy is running up the debt at twice the rate of Dubya who had a pretty impressive rate of debt accumulation himself. Obama is Bush on steroids. If you hate one, and you obviously do, then you should hate both.

You don't seem to understand the role of government. The Chinese have a saying that says something like if the table is full there are many problems. If the table is empty, there is one problem.

The table is empty and we should be concentrating on one problem. Right now, the lying thieves in DC are stealing what they can from us, stealing the rest from future generations and living high on bad planning and wrong thinking. If you think there is a silver lining in anything that's going on here, you have no clue what government is supposed to do.
 
Thrilla said:
words matter...soundbites don't
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Cars matter....Automobiles don't.

People matter......Human beings don't.

Money matters.....Dollars don't.

Rocks matter....Stones don't.

This is a fun game. Should we keep playing?
 
specklebang said:
Both sides are just scary, aren't they?

Yet they are both followed blindly by their true believers and nobody remembers theres a middle. They are so immersed in the power, glory, cocktail parties, world travel, speaking engagements, their careers, their income, their fabulous benefits that they really have no time to think of YOU.

How did we get here?
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How did we get to the representative form of governance we have now? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
code1211 said:
Cars matter....Automobiles don't.

People matter......Human beings don't.

Money matters.....Dollars don't.

Rocks matter....Stones don't.

This is a fun game. Should we keep playing?
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I don't mind if you and a few other find soundbites to be ok... I just happen to prefer a greater amount of context....
it's a character flaw and what makes me an oddity in modern politics.;)
 
code1211 said:
We know for sure and for certain that they are all thieves and liars. Therefore, the course to take is to elect those who have demonstrated by word and action that they intend to steal less.

If you are voting against the TEA Party Endorsed candidates, you are voting against your own self interests.
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I disagree. Taxes are lower now more than ever. Taxing people is not stealing from them. We must have money to run the government. If you have a better way than taxation, then please share it.
 
code1211 said:
Not to put too fine a point on this, but the withdrawal of troops from Iraq followed the plan put in place by Bush. Ever hear of SOFA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

This level of a lack of understanding calls to question the rest of your logic.

All of the social issues you site are really States Rights issues. Nice to talk about, but ultimately not the job of the Feds.

The guy is running up the debt at twice the rate of Dubya who had a pretty impressive rate of debt accumulation himself. Obama is Bush on steroids. If you hate one, and you obviously do, then you should hate both.

You don't seem to understand the role of government. The Chinese have a saying that says something like if the table is full there are many problems. If the table is empty, there is one problem.

The table is empty and we should be concentrating on one problem. Right now, the lying thieves in DC are stealing what they can from us, stealing the rest from future generations and living high on bad planning and wrong thinking. If you think there is a silver lining in anything that's going on here, you have no clue what government is supposed to do.
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I disagree on the point you made about these issues being states rights issues. The Federal government has the task of making sure rights are equal throughout the US. Equality in things like education, jobs, social programs, and many other things. The idea that we shouldn't fund the Federal GOvernment is odd to me. Without the Federal government, each state would just be individual countries.
 
tererun said:
4 years ago i saw obama as a politician. he talked good and said a lot of the right things in my mind, but I know anyone with a good mind can talk a good game. I also understand you do not get up to that level without doing some rather bad things. They are all politicians, and in the end it should really be us vs them. They screw us over all the time, and make things better for themselves all the time. They make their own rules, and no honest good person could get anywhere near that load of crap. So obama for me was on my ****ty persons list, but he was less ****ty than mcCain after the palin pick.

I have watched obama for the past 4 years. I cursed him for failing in the healthcare area. It is better than it was, but it is not what he got me hoping for. most of all the concessions he made seemed worthless as he never got anything at all back. That was what really made me mad, compromise means you get something, and he gave up in so many ways. He did not seem to learn anything. He never pushed back and fought for what he believed in and promised. I felt betrayed, even though I did not trust him. I felt let down. then i watched the republicans get the house and just kick him around.

But, Maybe he saw something i did not, and maybe it was for the best he let the republicans win so much in the areas they did. Government funded health care was probably going to make things a lot worse, so looking back his concessions actually helped things stabalize. He did not just pull the troops out in a messy way, he solidified and ended the war in Iraq. When presented with the war in libya he did not plunge us in there despite the clear desperation in the uprising. He assisted and we avoided a third war. I want the war in afganistan to end, but we jumped into that pit knowing full well the problems the russians had withdrawing from that. Those problems were left for him, and i think he has done a good job with them.

But a little while ago the backbone came out. He had gotten months and months of job growth, and things were not just no longer crashing but growing steadily. When he saw the footing was there he killed DADT. He started to work in immigration. Right in the middle of a tight campaign he came out and said gays deserve marriage. That last one was a comment i thought was going to doom him, but it showed me something in him had to say it.

Against every cynical apathetic feeling I have towards the good of a politician and the reality of the world of politics, I keep seeing Obama shine through that big **** heap. I keep seeing him try to pull things together. I have watched him face down a good third of our country who has vile hatred for him while he did this. Against everything that i have learned in my life about how presidents are supposed to be a ****ty choice, and they are going to suck Obama keeps showing me i am wrong about him. I don't want to see his second term because I am afraid of Romney. Romney is not going to kill this country, he has too much of his wealth and power invested in it. I don't want to see his second term because he is just the other choice. I really want to see what the man who ended the war in Iraq, bounced the economy back on track, revamped our disaster of a health care system, and did all of these things while fighting against the ravenous hate of the right is going to do next term. he went through hell from the US people to make things better for the US people.

i believe in him because i have seen what he does and it is good.
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Obama has changed his position on gay marriage because he needs the votes:

November 2, 2008:
ABC News’ Teddy Davis, Sunlen Miller, Tahman Bradley, and Rigel Anderson report: Barack Obama’s nuanced position on same-sex marriage is on full display in an MTV interview which is set to air on Monday. Obama told MTV he believes marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage."

Obama Says He Is Against Same-Sex Marriage But Also Against Ending Its Practice In Calif. - ABC News
 
tererun said:
i believe in him because i have seen what he does and it is good.
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Sounds...biblical. Wow. Maybe next term he'll die on a cross for us.
 
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MaggieD said:
Sounds...biblical. Wow. Maybe next term he'll on a cross for us.
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My love for you, Mrs. MaggieD, grows deeper with every revelation and nuance you make. You are like the cream to my coffee - the pineapple to my banana split - the fresh air to my attic - the pepper to my doctor.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
My love for you, Mrs. MaggieD, grows deeper with every revelation and nuance you make. You are like the cream to my coffee - the pineapple to my banana split - the fresh air to my attic - the pepper to my doctor.
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Awwww, Auntie . . .:3oops:
 
pbrauer said:
Words do matter


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When you have an out of control WH that is bankrupting this country, ignores the Constitution, won't pass a budget, kills economic and job growth, yep, it's the top priority.
 
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