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Mitts October surprise for Obama... [W:90]

zstep18 said:
Ok, he was Senator at the time. Still, my point remains the same. Kenyans obviously admire Obama, for obvious reasons.
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exactly.. he was a Jr Senator, a zero basically outside of Chicago...whats the obvious reason?.. youre are almost getting it..
 
Travis007 said:
exactly...whats the obvious reason?.. youre are almost getting it..
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Because he's Kenyan. He sees him as one of their own. According to Kenyan tradition, a child belongs to the father.
 
zstep18 said:
Because he's Kenyan. He sees him as one of their own. According to Kenyan tradition, a child belongs to the father.
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Yes... correct... how is his Father part of this equation as far the goverment, and what was his fathers goals, as this is so important to Obama that he has books on this.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/


About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.

By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.

The violence was led by supporters of Raila Odinga, the opposition leader who lost the Dec. 27, 2007, presidential election by more than 230,000 votes. Odinga supporters began the genocide hours after the final election results were announced..snip..

Mr. Odinga had the backing of Kenya’s Muslim community heading into the election. For months he denied any ties to Muslim leaders, but fell silent when Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, appeared on Kenya television displaying a memorandum of understanding signed on Aug. 29, 2007, ...snip..

***Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama’s six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. “The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials,” Mr. Obama announced.
 
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did this thread just get very quiet?

I await the outcry that this is a "conspiracy"...
 
Travis007 said:
did this thread just get very quiet?

I await the outcry that this is a "conspiracy"...
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Not much of a 'conspiracy', just another bit of garbage from the Moonie Times about Obama's supposed 'close ties with Odinga of Kenya.

International observers agreed that the 2007 election in Kenya was seriously corrupt.

The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.
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Tribal enmities were the cause of the Rwandan genocide, not so much religious differences

Most of the violence committed in Kenya had more to do with tribal disputes, not with Muslim against Xians, Odinga is a Luo and Kibaki is a Kikuyu, two traditional enemy tribes. There were also organised criminal gangs taking advantage of the chaos.

Obama spoke one time at a rally for Odinga, not "numerous times"


More on the violence here and here

More from the Guardian on the repercussions of the violence
The fires began on New Year's Eve. .... Mobs of young Kalenjin men were burning houses of Kikuyu families, the ethnic group of President Mwai Kibaki, who had been declared the winner of the dubious poll. The attackers' fury was only partly political: in the Rift Valley the Kikuyu had long been perceived as interlopers.
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youre joking on the "not so much religious part"... right?


where is your source on Obama only speaking once? again he campaigned for Odinga... are you getting the two confused?
 
Travis007 said:
youre joking on the "not so much religious part"... right?


where is your source on Obama only speaking once? again he campaigned for Odinga... are you getting the two confused?
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No, I am not 'joking' on the religious aspect


What is your source for reiterating a claim that Senator Obama 'campaigned for Odinga'? Give us a generally accepted news outlet that made such a statement.
 
Somerville said:
No, I am not 'joking' on the religious aspect


What is your source for reiterating a claim that Senator Obama 'campaigned for Odinga'? Give us a generally accepted news outlet that made such a statement.
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did you watch the CBS youtube I posted.. or the Wash Times article which is vetted by many sources if you drill down... this is all well know and was reported on many Kenyan news outlets... you are debating the most ridiculous things.. did you read the agreements in place with he muslim sect agains the sitting President that Odinga signed to gain there vote?...

did Obama raise the tensions and give false hope?

again what was Obamas fathers influence since that so profound and plays into Obamas "world view"
 
Ok...I will speed up the porocess here..from the BBC...and ABC News if needed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17748754
Obama's father among secret files on Kenyan students


HINT: Obama is like his father.. his father hated the Brit Goverment and was hostile to the sitting goverment..
 
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Travis007 said:
Ok...I will speed up the porocess here..from the BBC...and ABC News if needed

BBC News - Obama's father among secret files on Kenyan students
Obama's father among secret files on Kenyan students


HINT: Obama is like his father.. his father hated the Brit Goverment and was hostile to the sitting goverment..
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you mean the indigenous people resented the occupiers of their country much as our revolutionary patriots opposed the british soldiers on American soil? how awful [/s]
 
Travis007 said:
did you watch the CBS youtube I posted.. or the Wash Times article which is vetted by many sources if you drill down... this is all well know and was reported on many Kenyan news outlets... you are debating the most ridiculous things.. did you read the agreements in place with he muslim sect agains the sitting President that Odinga signed to gain there vote?...

did Obama raise the tensions and give false hope?

again what was Obamas fathers influence since that so profound and plays into Obamas "world view"
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That was not a CBS video, it was a rather selectively edited bit of propaganda which many unknowing people will certainly take as 'proof' of Obama's treacherous actions with a 'dictator' who is presently Prime Minister of Kenya and running for the Presidency of that nation.

Ok...I will speed up the porocess here..from the BBC...and ABC News if needed

BBC News - Obama's father among secret files on Kenyan students
Obama's father among secret files on Kenyan students


HINT: Obama is like his father.. his father hated the Brit Goverment and was hostile to the sitting goverment..
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I don't see anything from ABC and the BBC article has nothing that relates to the whole Obama/Odinga nonsense.
 
Somerville said:
That was not a CBS video, it was a rather selectively edited bit of propaganda which many unknowing people will certainly take as 'proof' of Obama's treacherous actions with a 'dictator' who is presently Prime Minister of Kenya and running for the Presidency of that nation.





I don't see anything from ABC and the BBC article has nothing that relates to the whole Obama/Odinga nonsense.
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was it from China...? it was CBS...
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Once a decision for an abortion has been made, it should be ok up to the age of majority. You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Whatever age the one term Marxist is...abortion should be legal up to his age...how is that for drawing a line?
 
He should totally jump all over the secret CIA,time travel missions to Mars.

Maybe you should search the internet for "odinga porn." It might satisy your bizarre obsession with him.
 
Travis007 said:
If Im Mitt...I roll out "Uncle Odinga" and roll the tape of him arm in arm campaigning in Kenya against a sitting President of another country... on out tax payer dime

or I go after Obamas "infanticide" record which is never spoken about


what other unknown/ MSM hidden part of Obama would you think Mitt should roll out?
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I think you are forgetting - October Surprises are for Republicans. Not Democrats. You need a friendly media to pull off an October Surprise, one who will take your storyline and immediately run it all over, minimum checking involved.

The real worry is - what is the Oct Surprise against Romney?
 
rocket88 said:
He should totally jump all over the secret CIA,time travel missions to Mars.

Maybe you should search the internet for "odinga porn." It might satisy your bizarre obsession with him.
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You dont care tht innocent people were killed in a barbaric way? this truth is too inconvient for the Obama fans?
 
Travis007 said:
If Im Mitt...I roll out "Uncle Odinga" and roll the tape of him arm in arm campaigning in Kenya against a sitting President of another country... on out tax payer dime

or I go after Obamas "infanticide" record which is never spoken about


what other unknown/ MSM hidden part of Obama would you think Mitt should roll out?
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Both of these would be suicide moves for Mitt, so I hope he does both.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Well, lets see, if I don't hold the Republicans views of anti-SSM, massive military spending, support of all things NRA (including intrusion of property rights), the Patriot Act nor do I hold the Democrat's view of governmet solves all, kill babies, and lets spend frivolously I'd imagine that makes me an independent doesn't it? Just because President Obama is a Marxist, doesn't make me a partisan. It makes me someone who holds a belief that you happen to disagree with. Of course, just like your Marxist hero, you are very quick to shape someone into a nice, neat mold that fits into your preconditioned idea of what people should be. In this case, a Republican or Democrat.
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I say this in all sincerity. Anybody who thinks Barack Obama is a Marxist is either a pea-brain or a right wing zealot. Or maybe both.
 
Wiggen said:
I say this in all sincerity. Anybody who thinks Barack Obama is a Marxist is either a pea-brain or a right wing zealot. Or maybe both.
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Or maybe they aren't wearing Kool-Aid tinted glasses like you. Once again, there you go trying to box me into a group. Now the groups are either stupid or a right wing zealot. Before it was trying to fit me into your preconceived Republican mold.
I'll say it again, as I have everywhere on this forum. President Obama supports or has passed legislation that fits 7 of the 10 planks of communism given by Karl Marx. To be fair, he hasn't passed all of the legislation I speak of. But if he hasn't passed it or proposed it, he supports it and advocates for it. And I'm not even bringing into account the type of people he has associated with throughout his life.
People such as yourself are quick to say that Gov Romney is a rich, out of touch guy due to the people he associates with and/or his actions. You are quick to call President W Bush a warmongering good old boy because he entered into Afghanistan and Iraq while giving contracts to Halliburtion, etc. But when President Obama does things that reflect socialist beliefs and hangs out with socialists his entire young life, he gets a pass. Why is that?
 
Wiggen said:
I say this in all sincerity. Anybody who thinks Barack Obama is a Marxist is either a pea-brain or a right wing zealot. Or maybe both.
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That how I feel when I hear people say hes not...

either either way Obama is a disaster.. call it what you like
 
cpwill said:
I think you are forgetting - October Surprises are for Republicans. Not Democrats. You need a friendly media to pull off an October Surprise, one who will take your storyline and immediately run it all over, minimum checking involved.

The real worry is - what is the Oct Surprise against Romney?
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good point...I guess I was hoping that the new social media could lessen that gap ...
 
Mitt's Sept. surprise for his base: I'll be keeping parts of Obamacare in place.
 
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