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Can you say.... October Suprise for Mittens?

you are a conservative.. and you mentioned race.

that's all it takes to be considered a racist by liberals.

I think it has more to do with nit kissing the Messiah's ass
 
you are a conservative.. and you mentioned race.

that's all it takes to be considered a racist by liberals.

Not really. You can say pretty much anything about Obama these days, and it's considered racist. Like saying he plays a lot of golf, or the word "Chicago."
 
Dear bobcat, you are so far off on your "list" that it,s going take awhile to address all your points. First of all, gas prices have doubled since when? In August of 2008' national average gas prices were 3.78.

From the day Obama took over. Obama did not take over in August.

Next, let's remember what happened to the auto industry.....HIGHER gas prices in 2003 to 2008 caused a severe downturn in purchases of trucks, SUVs and larger cars, along with the credit crunch. Good thing Obama has taken steps to increase the CAFE standards.

And what is the price of gas now?

Bailout.....hmmm....GM just repaid the last of its government loans. Please explain your word "failure".

Try this:

GM still owes $45.3 billion to the U.S. and $8.1 billion to Canada, money it received in exchange for large stakes in the company. The U.S. government now owns 61 percent of the company and Canada owns roughly 12 percent. GM plans to repay both with a public stock offering, perhaps later this year.
GM Pays Back Government Loans Early | Fox News

Highest unemployment for the longest time in our history? Huh? I suppose your forgetting about the thirties?

Now that's impressive, you had to go back 80 yrs to find a date that Obama has not shattered

Home values down 30? BINGO........I guess Obama didn't slow the bush freight train quickly enough. And now, there are signs home prices are starting to rebound.

It's been 4 yrs and home values are still down 30%, and what rebound?

I need a break.

You sure do
 
GM paid off the loan? thats a total lie...like most of your post.. total nonsense sorry to say..

I'm sorry, care to back up those claims? Seems to GM, just this week. Paid off the last of its loans. I even think it was in the news!
 
"mixed race" is a racial slur, now? :lamo

Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
Like you? At least he didn't debut with a racist 'half-breed' label for the President, as other new posters have done.


How is that racist?

It's true, he's mixed, not black.

Nice attempt to dodge, but your defense of the racial slur "Half Breed" has been archived for all to see.

Keep back peddling.
 
Nice attempt to dodge, but your defense of the racial slur "Half Breed" has been archived for all to see.

Keep back peddling.

I never said "half breed". You need to learn how to read.
 
I'm sorry, care to back up those claims? Seems to GM, just this week. Paid off the last of its loans. I even think it was in the news!

Right before they announces that they "paid off" the loan, they lost $3.4 billion.
 
From the day Obama took over. Obama did not take over in August.



And what is the price of gas now?



Try this:

GM still owes $45.3 billion to the U.S. and $8.1 billion to Canada, money it received in exchange for large stakes in the company. The U.S. government now owns 61 percent of the company and Canada owns roughly 12 percent. GM plans to repay both with a public stock offering, perhaps later this year.
GM Pays Back Government Loans Early | Fox News



Now that's impressive, you had to go back 80 yrs to find a date that Obama has not shattered



It's been 4 yrs and home values are still down 30%, and what rebound?



You sure do
Um, I believe I said GM paid off its loans. They did. even the article YOU cite says that, silly.

Gas prices on the day Obama took over are not relevant. What's relevant is national annual averages over periods.

Yes, prices are up now, but in 2010 the average annual was 2.90, compare to a 2008 average of 3.24. Average in 2011 was 3.56. Let's wait and see what the averages arebformterms, shall we? The statement that gas prices have doubled is misleading, at best.


Actually, homes lost most of their value in 2009, which can hardly be blamed on Obama. Foreclosures are down, and the home construction industry has added about 5k jobs in August, which is great news. July housing starts were up 21% from July of last year. So yes, you could reasonably say recovery, albeit slow, is occurring.

As for unemployment, I merely refuted the ridiculous claim that Obama was responsible for the highest unemployment ever. When people make outrageous, uninformed statements it's quite easy to shred them.
 
Right before they announces that they "paid off" the loan, they lost $3.4 billion.

They did? For what period? The had profits in 2010 and in 2011 and 2 qtr earnings of 1.5 billion? Have they announced 3rd qtr, lol!
 
Um, I believe I said GM paid off its loans. They did. even the article YOU cite says that, silly.

That is slight of hand, a loan that was converted to equity, that is now worth half is a huge loss for the tax payer. We have not been paid back. That is a fact.

Gas prices on the day Obama took over are not relevant. What's relevant is national annual averages over periods.

Of course they are, when he took office gas cost xx not it cost xxxx double than when he took on the job as president.

Yes, prices are up now, but in 2010 the average annual was 2.90, compare to a 2008 average of 3.24. Average in 2011 was 3.56. Let's wait and see what the averages arebformterms, shall we? The statement that gas prices have doubled is misleading, at best.

No it's not, it's a statement of fact.

Actually, homes lost most of their value in 2009, which can hardly be blamed on Obama. Foreclosures are down, and the home construction industry has added about 5k jobs in August, which is great news. July housing starts were up 21% from July of last year. So yes, you could reasonably say recovery, albeit slow, is occurring.

When you say "lost most of their value on 09" that may be but they did not bottom out until 2012 if even now.

As for unemployment, I merely refuted the ridiculous claim that Obama was responsible for the highest unemployment ever. When people make outrageous, uninformed statements it's quite easy to shred them.

Your right, most of us was not around in 1930, so that fact may have been over looked. I would suggest Obama has the highest unemployment ever in our lifetime, at least if you were born after 1934. And the sad thing is Obama could shatter that record. He's not done yet, killing jobs.
 
So if a person wasn't around in the 1920's, that history doesn't exist? Who can discuss anything with a person who doesn't at least know a little history? The jury is still out on GM. And what I posted stands.
 
That is slight of hand, a loan that was converted to equity, that is now worth half is a huge loss for the tax payer. We have not been paid back. That is a fact.

You are either dumb or misinformed. GM is trading at $23.42, or 70% of the IPO price of $33. Analyst are forecasting GM will hit $45/share in the near future. Perhaps rather than spout off Republican talking points that appear to be 3 months old, you should be buying GM and make a nice profit, like the Govt is about to do.
 
You are either dumb or misinformed. GM is trading at $23.42, or 70% of the IPO price of $33. Analyst are forecasting GM will hit $45/share in the near future. Perhaps rather than spout off Republican talking points that appear to be 3 months old, you should be buying GM and make a nice profit, like the Govt is about to do.

GM paid its TARP loans off with other TARP money held in escrow....and yes, the bailouts are still forecasted to be a net taxpayer loss.

GM stock needs to be valued at 53 bucks for the taxpayers to break even.... right now, we are sitting on a 35 billion dollar net loss on the deal ( at todays valuation)..$45 is still to low to make a profit, $45 spells out a 25 billion dollar loss for taxpayers.
 
GM paid its TARP loans off with other TARP money held in escrow....and yes, the bailouts are still forecasted to be a net taxpayer loss.

GM stock needs to be valued at 53 bucks for the taxpayers to break even.... right now, we are sitting on a 35 billion dollar net loss on the deal ( at todays valuation)..$45 is still to low to make a profit, $45 spells out a 25 billion dollar loss for taxpayers.

I stand corrected.
 
I remember when he initially announced he was going to run for president this year there was a story saying tha the IRS said he didn't release info on specific accounts he used, but I'm pretty damn sure that got debunked. The IRS (especially for the wealthy) isn't something that lets discrepancies pass without investigating them. If the paperwork was submitted by the Romney family to the IRS I have full faith that things were as correct as possible.

Side note: Yes I'm sure he tried to get out of paying as much tax as possible, but that's kinda how the game works. The rich don't generally want to give more money away just...because? You don't get rich by giving away your money freely, there's always intention and purpose.

In 2009, the IRS offered tax payers with undisclosed foreign accounts temporary Amnesty from prosecution if they voluntarily came forward, paid back taxes and penalties. This would show up clear as day in his 2009 and earlier tax returns, since he would have to restate all of his prior returns going back to 2003 to qualify for the Amnesty deal. So, you are wrong about the IRS investigating this, since Romney would have taken the Amnesty deal to avoid the investigation.

So, Romney wouldn't be facing jail. But political careers have been ruined for far less serious tax issues. So far 30,000 tax payers have taken advantage of the IRS Amnesty deal, was Romney one of them? I suspect he was, which is why he cannot release his returns.
 
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