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Michelle!! You shoulda' left this line out!!!

Would those companies have employed more people if Bain hadn't existed?

Well, that depends. If you want to believe the partisan left wing line, then all of those companies would have been better off without Bain.

If you want to believe the reality of what venture capital is, and how it works, you would have to understand that they were all troubled, either heading down hill or already near collapse. Thus Bain getting involved, and them surviving after reorganization and being able to continue on making profits and grow, means more people are probably employed after Bain. Being that they were saved and every single job they had didn't go away due to closing their doors.
 
I'm middle class. I don't know a single adult who wouldn't have money to loan their grown kids. If you aren't middle class -- he probably wasn't talking to you. And if they aren't middle class? They don't belong in a state university. They belong in community college for a few years -- and THEN a state university. Poor little college kids decide to mortgage their future for a piece of paper. Idiots.

I'm sorry, but that's the biggest pile of elitist crap I've read in a long time. Yeah, we sure as hell don't want poor kids in a state university. I see why Romney appeals to you so much now.
 
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Not sure what this diversion has to do with anything, but guessing you don't want to talk about your education.



Yeah, there are a lot of people that don't buy 100% into any 'party line'. People that like to do a thing called 'using their brain.' Everyone should try it.

Well, I'm sure as hell not discussing my education with you - a guy who's far to the right on every frickin' issue that's discussed but likes to maintain the fiction that he's 'independent'. In fact, you're just another far right zealot.

The 'I'm just an independent' schtick isn't working.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the biggest pile of elitist crap I've read in a long time. Yeah, we sure as hell don't want poor kids in a state university. I see why Romney appeals to you so much now.

Poor kids, really poor kids? Would be much better served by spending two years in a community college. Student loans up the wazoo for a 4-year college?? Why on earth would anyone do that?? No financial sense at all.

Or else they should be spending a ton of time investigating what it takes to get grants/scholarships to get into 4-year colleges. Know that piece of paper from your state university? It's not worth any less because you spent two years in a community college. Everybody isn't entitled to everything, for God's sake. And that attitude tells me why you're an Obama fan.

Know how my nieces got full-ride scholarships at TCU? The oldest girl went to a college meet-up in her sophomore year. She wanted to go to TCU. She sought out the representative from the college and asked her when the last time was that somebody got a full-ride scholarship and what kind of grades/what he/she did to get it. She took notes. Took notes!

She found out it was a girl . . . that she'd gotten a 32 on her (whatever)test . . . that she coached soccer as a volunteer for a couple of years . . . volunteered her time in a myriad of worthwhile charities and wrote a killer essay. She asked to read it and was later sent a copy.

Monica scored a 33. She'd already coached soccer for a three or four years...first as a volunteer, then paid...she volunteered at the local animal shelter...food pantry. This gal set her sights on what she wanted and got it. Full-ride 4-year scholarship worth $150,000.

Her sister? She scored a 31. Monica talked her into re-taking it and she scored a 33. She also volunteered. She also coached. Both girls worked during the summer at their local park district. She also wrote a killer essay. $150,000 full-ride scholarship two years later.

That's what ingenuity does in this country. That's what hard work and determination accomplishes. Not sitting back and wondering, "Who's gonna' help me pay for college??"

You'll have to excuse me if I believe in the American Dream. I've lived it. I've watched my family live it. It's out there as big and bright as it's always been. It's just that too many people today are waiting for it to come knocking at their door.
 
Well, I'm sure as hell not discussing my education with you - a guy who's far to the right on every frickin' issue that's discussed but likes to maintain the fiction that he's 'independent'. In fact, you're just another far right zealot.

The 'I'm just an independent' schtick isn't working.

I never knew supporting gay marriage, abortion, legalization of drugs and many other social issues where I side with individual liberty would make me a 'far right zealot'. But I guess that could explain your confusion a bit in terms of 'lean' terminology.

Should the next pitch be a little softer so you don't strike out by default? Or will that matter? :lamo
 
Poor kids, really poor kids? Would be much better served by spending two years in a community college. Student loans up the wazoo for a 4-year college?? Why on earth would anyone do that?? No financial sense at all.

When I first read your other post about this, I thought it made sense, but didn't think much about it, then I saw Wiggen's reply and thought he was wrong. But I thought about it a bit more, and perhaps he is at least a bit right.

For why does it matter if a kid comes from a 'really poor' family? Poor doesn't mean stupid or incapable. Yeah, their parents can't pay for it, they'd need a different source of funding, but there is money out there that would allow them to do it. Might some of 'making ends meet' be more of a struggle? Probably so. But again, that is no reason to relegate them to a lesser school.

As for having a 'mountain of debt'... considering they will need grants and loans and such, yeah, they may well have a good bit of debt, but so do a lot of not 'really poor' students. And the degree they get in the end is just as good as every other degree that comes out of the school (of a similar major that is), so their chances of employment are just as good as everyone else. It could be argued they might do better getting a job and go further in their field because they are more driven. I mean, if you come out of 'really poor' and manage to get the money to get through a 4 year school, while probably working as well, you have drive that a lot of other people don't. That drive makes a big difference in life, and is noticed by employers.

Of course, I could be 180 degrees out on all of this, since Wiggen says I'm a far right zealot.
 
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