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Gary Johnson: Ron Paul’s Revolution Is The Future

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Dammit I hope his message will get out in time.


Gary Johnson: Ron Paul’s Revolution Is The Future

In a new video, Libertarian Party presidential nominee and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson calls Rep. Ron Paul’s work to bring libertarian perspectives into prominence “revolutionary.”

“His efforts have changed America; they’ve changed me,” says Gov. Johnson in the newly released video. “The revolution he ignited in the hearts and minds of millions of Americans will not fade away. It grows stronger every day and will continue to grow because Ron Paul is right.”

Gov. Johnson endorsed Rep. Paul for President in 2008, and the two see eye to eye on many key issues.

“Be Libertarian with me one time,” says Gov. Johnson in the video. “Together we’ll send the unmistakable message: Ron Paul’s revolution isn’t a fluke. It’s the future.”​



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There is nothing more annoying than libertarians pretentious enough to believe that their economical and social beliefs are the future of anything.
 
Hatuey said:
There is nothing more annoying than libertarians pretentious enough to believe that their economical and social beliefs are the future of anything.
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Thing is, I bet you agree with the libertarian social philosophy. I think you are jumping the gun in a knee-jerk reaction to a thread about third parties.
 
poweRob said:
Thing is, I bet you agree with the libertarian social philosophy. I think you are jumping the gun in a knee-jerk reaction to a thread about third parties.
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Eh. No. I don't. A few points here and there? Sure. But then again I agree with some conservatives points of view. The social philosophy of libertarians? No.

However, even if I did - that still wouldn't be enough for me to ignore the limitations of your philosophy when it comes to foreign policy, economics and pretty much everything else I disagree with libertarians on.
 
poweRob said:
Riiiigghht:




If you disagree with these, then you might as well vote Republican so you can get what you want.
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Your simple links with talking points do nothing for me. Here how about this, let's forget for a second that Democrats exist - which you clearly have - and just say that I find libertarians to be a reckless bunch of children who don't yet realize that the world we live in is a lot more complicated than saying "AMERICA CAN ACHIEVE OUR FOREIGN POLICY GOALS without sacrificing American values."

So when it comes to election time - I'll be voting for Democrats. :shrug:
 
I'd like to see a Libertarian party that doesn't fall into the purist trap. I really like a lot of Libertarian ideas but their insistence of every, single, last, thing, conforming to Libertarian purity ruins it for me. I'd also like to see them speak more about transitioning in a sane manner. If we want to move towards a more Libertarian society the plan of just cutting off welfare, subsidies, regulations without a stout, reasonable safety net during the transition frightens many. Some would say that's the whole point but I couldn't disagree more. You have to fix the issues, at least 1/2 way before you throw people into the fire or else it will cause unnecessary fear and suffering.

I also don't think its the solution to everything as many of them do. Some issues are better served with liberal or socialist ideas, imo.
 
Hatuey said:
Eh. No. I don't. A few points here and there? Sure. But then again I agree with some conservatives points of view. The social philosophy of libertarians? No.

However, even if I did - that still wouldn't be enough for me to ignore the limitations of your philosophy when it comes to foreign policy, economics and pretty much everything else I disagree with libertarians on.
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ahhh you edited... I'm very liberal and disagree whole-heartidly with the fiscal side of libertarians' desire to cut any and all social programs. I agree with the foreign policy and social liberty issues that I posted links to. I think with a Gary Johnson as prez, I could get the military cuts that I want rather easily being that he is commander in cheif so pull in the fiscal sense would go more smoothly. Cutting the social programs however that I oppose, I don't see that getting through congress anyway so what I like I think would happen, what I don't like, I don't see happening anyways.
 
Verax said:
I'd like to see a Libertarian party that doesn't fall into the purist trap. I really like a lot of Libertarian ideas but their insistence of every, single, last, thing, conforming to Libertarian purity ruins it for me. I'd also like to see them speak more about transitioning in a sane manner. If we want to move towards a more Libertarian society the plan of just cutting off welfare, subsidies, regulations without a stout, reasonable safety net during the transition frightens many. Some would say that's the whole point but I couldn't disagree more. You have to fix the issues, at least 1/2 way before you throw people into the fire or else it will cause unnecessary fear and suffering.

I also don't think its the solution to everything as many of them do. Some issues are better served with liberal or socialist ideas, imo.
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As I was just posting, the representative portion of our representative democracy would hard curb the purist notions in office.
 
poweRob said:
ahhh you edited... I'm very liberal and disagree whole-heartidly with the fiscal side of libertarians' desire to cut any and all social programs. I agree with the foreign policy and social liberty issues that I posted links to. I think with a Gary Johnson as prez, I could get the military cuts that I want rather easily being that he is commander in cheif so pull in the fiscal sense would go more smoothly. Cutting the social programs however that I oppose, I don't see that getting through congress anyway so what I like I think would happen, what I don't like, I don't see happening anyways.
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How about this. Focus on winning a single governorship. When you get a member of the libertarian party to win a governorship and prove that their policies work at a state level, MAYBE - MAYBE I'd consider voting one in for Pres. Until then? Sorry bub, no cigar.
 
Hatuey said:
How about this. Focus on winning a single governorship. When you get a member of the libertarian party to win a governorship and prove that their policies work at a state level, MAYBE - MAYBE I'd consider voting one in for Pres. Until then? Sorry bub, no cigar.
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ok... then as far as that goes... how are the policies of those you are voting for working out for you these days? They working?
 
Johnson is right.

Ron Paul's 'revolution' is the future.

Unfortunately, I fear it will take many, many years or some truly horrible events before Americans finally get it.

Almost all/all of what Ron Paul is 'preaching' is common sense.

Most of what I hear coming from the Dems/Reps is nonsense.
 
poweRob said:
ok... then as far as that goes... how are the policies of those you are voting for working out for you these days? They working?
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I'm in Mexico right now but last time I was in Vermont it was doing pretty well. Low unemployment rate, a mostly middle class population, low crime, great tourist attractions. Not sure what I'm supposed to be complaining about?
 
But Ron paul is not a libertarian. It is sad when libertarians have to hitch their message to one of the mopst racist and bigoted members of the republican party to get noticed. The pauls are just republicans who want to legalize pot. That does not make them libertarians considering they really dio not want liberty for anything other than the prejudiced laws they like. Liberty to opress others is not liberty. That is just a whiny old fascist without the power to promote his racial laws and viewpoints. Yes, it would be great for his old ass if the federal government stayed out of his way so he could hang those blacks from the trees in his yard like he wanted to. It would be great for hjim anyway. i can see why an old racist might be increadibly annoyed at the federal government for forcing him to end things like segregation and forcing them top hire black people and allow them to do things like read. I have little pity for him that he was not able to enact these socially disturbed policies of his and create the shining state of racism in texas like he wanted to.

When even the racist, sexist, homophobic republican party ignores you for people like bachman, perry, and romney it is a sign you are too crazy. At least he found a place with gullible white kids who don't look beyond legalized pot when they chose to vote. No one cares because his followers are too stoned to remember their own names, and certainly would never find their way to the voting booth on time anyway.

Please stop calling him libertarian. it is a damned insult to real libertarians. Call him tea party if you cant stand calling him republican, but don't insult libertarians with his crap.
 
tererun said:
But Ron paul is not a libertarian. It is sad when libertarians have to hitch their message to one of the mopst racist and bigoted members of the republican party to get noticed. The pauls are just republicans who want to legalize pot. That does not make them libertarians considering they really dio not want liberty for anything other than the prejudiced laws they like. Liberty to opress others is not liberty. That is just a whiny old fascist without the power to promote his racial laws and viewpoints. Yes, it would be great for his old ass if the federal government stayed out of his way so he could hang those blacks from the trees in his yard like he wanted to. It would be great for hjim anyway. i can see why an old racist might be increadibly annoyed at the federal government for forcing him to end things like segregation and forcing them top hire black people and allow them to do things like read. I have little pity for him that he was not able to enact these socially disturbed policies of his and create the shining state of racism in texas like he wanted to.

When even the racist, sexist, homophobic republican party ignores you for people like bachman, perry, and romney it is a sign you are too crazy. At least he found a place with gullible white kids who don't look beyond legalized pot when they chose to vote. No one cares because his followers are too stoned to remember their own names, and certainly would never find their way to the voting booth on time anyway.

Please stop calling him libertarian. it is a damned insult to real libertarians. Call him tea party if you cant stand calling him republican, but don't insult libertarians with his crap.
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I'm no libertarian lover... but... ummm tone down the rhetoric champ.
 
Good luck to him, but I am not interested whatsoever.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm in Mexico right now but last time I was in Vermont it was doing pretty well. Low unemployment rate, a mostly middle class population, low crime, great tourist attractions. Not sure what I'm supposed to be complaining about?
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You vote in Vermont?
 
Hatuey said:
Aye.

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Then what yer doin' yer doin' right. I'd take a Bernie Sanders presidency before just about any other right now.

On a side note... it's interesting that Maine is also going to go independent. New England is looking more and more appealing.
 
Hatuey said:
How about this. Focus on winning a single governorship. When you get a member of the libertarian party to win a governorship and prove that their policies work at a state level, MAYBE - MAYBE I'd consider voting one in for Pres. Until then? Sorry bub, no cigar.
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Gary Johnson - Wikipedia said:
Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman, a former Governor of New Mexico
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Gary Johnson - Wikipedia said:
In an interview in Reason magazine in January 2001, Johnson's accomplishments in office were described as follows: "no tax increases in six years, a major road building program, shifting Medicaid to managed care, constructing two new private prisons, canning 1,200 state employees, and vetoing a record number of bills."[SUP][23][/SUP]Andrew Sullivan quoted a claim that Johnson "is highly regarded in the state for his outstanding leadership during two terms as governor. He slashed the size of state government during his term and left the state with a large budget surplus."[SUP][36][/SUP] According to one New Mexico paper, "Johnson left the state fiscally solid," and was "arguably the most popular governor of the decade . . . leaving the state with a $1 billion budget surplus."[SUP][37]
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Someone's late to the party. ;)[/SUP]
 
Black_Zawisza said:
Someone's late to the party. ;)[/SUP]
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Yes, he ran as a Republican. Not a Libertarian.

Gary Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman, a former Governor of New Mexico, and the Libertarian Party nominee for President of the United States in the 2012 election.[1] Johnson served as the 29th Governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, as a member of the Republican Party, and is known for his low-tax libertarian views and his strong emphasis on personal health and fitness.
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All these parties, major and minor, have something to contribute. Some day we may find a party that doesn't function on diametrical opposition. My vote for Gary Johnson is my message to the 2 major parties - you better be nice.
 
poweRob said:
Party schmarty... the policies are his policies. Regardless of what party he calls himself.
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Sure it is. Ron Paul runs Republican because he knows running as a libertarian won't get him anything other than the internet vote.
 
Hatuey said:
Sure it is. Ron Paul runs Republican because he knows running as a libertarian won't get him anything other than the internet vote.
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Ther party is the vehicle to gaining office. Are you implying that his policies as governor are not his but the party's?
 
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