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Paul Ryan's Dishonest Convention Speech

Somerville said:
REALLY hard to take someone serious who can't be bothered to check if your opponents are more truthful than the politicians you support.
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The politicians I support didn't generate the 5.4 trillion dollar debt we have today, the 23 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, the 1.7% GDP growth we have today, the over 100 million Americans today on some kind of taxpayer assistance, the record number of people on food stamps. Not to worry though as help is on the way, President Romney and VP Ryan will clean up the Obama mess.
 
Conservative said:
The politicians I support didn't generate the 5.4 trillion dollar debt we have today, the 23 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, the 1.7% GDP growth we have today, the over 100 million Americans today on some kind of taxpayer assistance, the record number of people on food stamps. Not to worry though as help is on the way, President Romney and VP Ryan will clean up the Obama mess.
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OR (in other words)


I didn't know that - looks like I should try and change the subject.
 
Somerville said:
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I didn't know that - looks like I should try and change the subject.
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I do have to give you credit as you are open with your leanings as not many Democrats in this country would call themselves a socialist. It is not surprising that a socialist would support Barack Obama
 
Conservative said:
The politicians I support didn't generate the 5.4 trillion dollar debt we have today, the 23 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, the 1.7% GDP growth we have today, the over 100 million Americans today on some kind of taxpayer assistance, the record number of people on food stamps. Not to worry though as help is on the way, President Romney and VP Ryan will clean up the Obama mess.
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yes, president Obama and vp Biden will continue cleaning up the mess the repubs have left.
 
Conservative said:
I do have to give you credit as you are open with your leanings as not many Democrats in this country would call themselves a socialist. It is not surprising that a socialist would support Barack Obama
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There is no other viable candidate for a socialist to support, it's certainly not because the President and his Administration could ever be realistically labelled Socialist.

If he were of pure European descent and had been around in the 1950s, Obama and his personal politics would have fit well in the Republican Party of that era. A time when one of the most respected Republican Presidents upon retirement warned the American people of the malign influence of the "military-industrial" complex on our political system. The key sentence from that speech
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
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Somerville said:
There is no other viable candidate for a socialist to support, it's certainly not because the President and his Administration could ever be realistically labelled Socialist.

If he were of pure European descent and had been around in the 1950s, Obama and his personal politics would have fit well in the Republican Party of that era. A time when one of the most respected Republican Presidents upon retirement warned the American people of the malign influence of the "military-industrial" complex on our political system. The key sentence from that speech
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The American free enterprise, capitalistic economy has created the greatest country on the face of the earth and started with our Founders fleeing Europe and creating a nation based upon the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution, none of which have any foundation in socialism. Europe has destroyed itself and now people of European descent want to spread that misery equally to everyone in this country. Obama is that agent of change and if allowed to continue will complete the process. In order to convert a country to socialism it has to be done in incrementalism and that is what Obama is doing and why you support him.
 
Conservative said:
The American free enterprise, capitalistic economy has created the greatest country on the face of the earth and started with our Founders fleeing Europe and creating a nation based upon the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution, none of which have any foundation in socialism. Europe has destroyed itself and now people of European descent want to spread that misery equally to everyone in this country. Obama is that agent of change and if allowed to continue will complete the process. In order to convert a country to socialism it has to be done in incrementalism and that is what Obama is doing and why you support him.
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There can be no other answer but:




NONSENSE!





Hope that was clear enuff for you
 
Somerville said:
There can be no other answer but:




NONSENSE!





Hope that was clear enuff for you
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Well, not surprising that a socialist doesn't know much about U.S. History or apparently current European history. Maybe if you spent more time researching than posting in an internet forum you would find out what is going on in the world and get some U.S. History
 
Conservative said:
Well, not surprising that a socialist doesn't know much about U.S. History or apparently current European history. Maybe if you spent more time researching than posting in an internet forum you would find out what is going on in the world and get some U.S. History
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Keep your dreams about my supposed lack of knowledge, they may provide you with some comfort. I'll keep my knowledge and personal experiences in those supposedly failing 'socialist' nations. The one that is actually failing is England, the one that has been implementing the Republican mantra of austerity. Greece is failing for the same reason so many Americans lost their homes, too-easy credit and lenders willing to lie about the supposed benefits.
 
Somerville said:
Keep your dreams about my supposed lack of knowledge, they may provide you with some comfort. I'll keep my knowledge and personal experiences in those supposedly failing 'socialist' nations. The one that is actually failing is England, the one that has been implementing the Republican mantra of austerity. Greece is failing for the same reason so many Americans lost their homes, too-easy credit and lenders willing to lie about the supposed benefits.
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Again, I suggest you take a history course where you were find that this country wasn't built on Socialist principles and you aren't going to see many politicians running as socialists, why?
 
Conservative said:
Again, I suggest you take a history course where you were find that this country wasn't built on Socialist principles and you aren't going to see many politicians running as socialists, why?
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Depends on your definitions. Why don't you investigate what some of us call "corporate socialism" and do a bit of reading on just how America's railroads were built.


Very few successful politicians have run as socialists in this country since the 1920s, mostly due to the rather effective "Red Scare" techniques that have been employed over the years by the establishment noise machine.

Policies that proved successful in a pre-industrial nation may not be so effective in a modern country. Political views that prevailed in the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries may not be so good in a more modern, interlocked world. Claiming something that worked once upon a time should be continued may be like asking a stage coach driver to drive a modern 18 wheeler.
 
Somerville said:
Policies that proved successful in a pre-industrial nation may not be so effective in a modern country. Political views that prevailed in the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries may not be so good in a more modern, interlocked world. Claiming something that worked once upon a time should be continued may be like asking a stage coach driver to drive a modern 18 wheeler.
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You should tell that to your liberal friends that the factory worker has been replaced by a robot. And while your at it remind them that we are in an interlocked world, meaning we are in a world economy and that our economy does not stop at the border.
 
Somerville said:
REALLY hard to take someone serious who can't be bothered to check if your opponents are more truthful than the politicians you support.
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It's really hard to take someone seriously when they can't even figure out of BLS data is cumulative or not. Conservative has no credibility in any discussion revolving around economics.

He does not understand the differences between real, nominal and chain. He cannot determine when BLS data is cumulative or not. He has stated he does not care about regression.

Those alone disqualify him as of any worth on economics. Inability to understand basic economic terms and to even understand the data you cite is appalling.
 
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Born Free said:
You should tell that to your liberal friends that the factory worker has been replaced by a robot. And while your at it remind them that we are in an interlocked world, meaning we are in a world economy and that our economy does not stop at the border.
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Um... sounds like stating facts and the words support the previous claim yet there's a negative tone just for the sake of it.

For your foot note:

When Obama took office Now
Unemployment: 10%+ 8.3% (according to republican adds, not my numbers)
Stocks: 8k-, 1400-, 700- 13k+, 3k+, 1400+ (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500 respectively)
Wars: 2 1/2 (Osama Bin Laden dead)
Housing: Crashing Steady
Total Debt: 10 Trillion 14 Trillion (Reagan quadrupled debt in 2 terms, Bush Jr. doubled, given the hand he's dealt and what he's done 40%'s pretty dam good)
Health Care: status quo more people covered (my self included)
NASA: in decline renewed talks and plans of landing man on Mars
 
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shiang said:
Um... sounds like stating facts and the words support the previous claim yet there's a negative tone just for the sake of it.

For your foot note:

When Obama took office Now
Unemployment: 10%+ 8.3% (according to republican adds, not my numbers)
Stocks: 8k-, 1400-, 700- 13k+, 3k+, 1400+ (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500 respectively)
Wars: 2 1/2 (Osama Bin Laden dead)
Housing: Crashing Steady
Total Debt: 10 Trillion 14 Trillion (Reagan quadrupled debt in 2 terms, Bush Jr. doubled, given the hand he's dealt and what he's done 40%'s pretty dam good)
Health Care: status quo more people covered (my self included)
NASA: in decline renewed talks and plans of landing man on Mars
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When Obama took office the unemployment was 7.8% not 10%

Stock market growth? since when does any progressive support massive corporate profits?

Bin Laden dead? Obama keep Petraeus and Gates and used the information obtained from the Bush Administration to track him down. Congratulations although it doesn't look like Seal Team 6 is very impressed by your claims

Housing crashed during Democrat control of the Congress

Total debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion and is not 16.0 trillion so he has added 5.4 trillion to the debt in less than 4 years. Bush added 4.9 trillion in 8 years and Reagan added 1.7 trillion in 8 years. Adjust all those numbers for inflation and tell me what you get.

Nothing like an independent progressive who never takes personal responsibility and has to have the taxpayer fund their healthcare

NASA? Obama has gutted NASA and I live in Houston.

More liberal spin from someone out of touch with reality.
 
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