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Paul Ryan's Dishonest Convention Speech

Paul Ryan's Speech Proves The New Political Truth: It's Fine To Lie - Business Insider

The RNC did enjoy the whoppers, distortions and lies that Ryan spouted!

Even Fox News is calling him out on the bull****.

Paul Ryan


[h=1]Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words[/h]-----------
2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.


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Holy ****. I know it's in the opinion section but holy ****. Is Sally Kohn going to have a job tomorrow?
 
I'd read up, because this sentence is only partially correct.

As for the rest, Romney's already contended that the preexisting condition clause of ACA should stay, so that argument is kind of irrelevant.

LOL What a typical right wing fairy tale. You all are more prolific than the Brothers Grimm.
The agreement with the health insurers to end pre-existing conditions must include the ACA mandate for obvious reasons. Unless you have the mind of a 10 year old. What did Santa bring you last year?
 
LOL What a typical right wing fairy tale. You all are more prolific than the Brothers Grimm.
The agreement with the health insurers to end pre-existing conditions must include the ACA mandate for obvious reasons. Unless you have the mind of a 10 year old. What did Santa bring you last year?

well in 2008 Santa brought us this hunk **** coal named Barak Hussein Obama,....
 
Even Fox News is calling him out on the bull****.

Paul Ryan




Holy ****. I know it's in the opinion section but holy ****. Is Sally Kohn going to have a job tomorrow?


are you trying to run the jive that a Dem Hack on Fox News ,Sally Cohn said its not true? who cares.. she might as well be the unbotoxed Nancy Pelosi

The only truth is that Fox News is fair.. as I dont think you will find a far right wing nut as whacked and stupid a Cohn given any time on MSNBC etc...
 
Romney's already contended that the preexisting condition clause of ACA should stay, so that argument is kind of irrelevant.

I knew Romney would find a reason to keep ObamaCare/RomneyCare.
 
FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech - CBS News

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

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RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

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RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

___

RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.
___

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

___

RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

___

RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

___

RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.
 
FACT CHECK: Ryan takes factual shortcuts in speech - CBS News

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

___

RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

___

RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

___

RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.
___

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

THE FACTS: Ryan's claim ignores the fact that Ryan himself incorporated the same cuts into budgets he steered through the House in the past two years as chairman of its Budget Committee, using the money for deficit reduction. And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

In addition, Ryan's own plan to remake Medicare would squeeze the program's spending even more than the changes Obama made, shifting future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans. Critics charge that would expose the elderly to more out-of-pocket costs.

___

RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.

___

RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

___

RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.



Its gotta be tough.... that was so weak...Obama is a failed leader...and that article was worthy of toilet paper...Did Mapes or Rather do that spin job??? or did they just forge docs in their fact check?
 
The closure was announce in June of 2008, Obama spoke at the plant in February of 2008. So Ryan quote of Obama's misleads...

Nope. The issue was that Obama promised to keep the plant open, and he didn't.

When businesses count on the whims of the government they end up getting screwed.
 
Nope. The issue was that Obama promised to keep the plant open, and he didn't.

When businesses count on the whims of the government they end up getting screwed.

Yup and the goverment picks winner and losers and can stack the deck... its horrible and leads to socialism..
 
its horrible and leads to socialism..

Does it now?

To right wingers like you it seems everything does these days.

It's just too bad you don't understand what socialism is so I don't know how you can even know if you've been lead to it.
 
Nope. The issue was that Obama promised to keep the plant open, and he didn't.

When businesses count on the whims of the government they end up getting screwed.

In this case it is clearly no fault of the President, he was not even in office. Ryan also forgot to mention that his plan includes the same 700 billion in "cuts" as the ACA. Meaning he plans to do the same thing as he is berating Obama for. Another misleading and ultimately untrue portion of his speech.
 
Does it now?

To right wingers like you it seems everything does these days.

It's just too bad you don't understand what socialism is so I don't know how you can even know if you've been lead to it.

stay on topic... I know focus and you are not friends..
 
RYAN: "The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst. You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."

THE FACTS: Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds shortly after Congress approved the $800 billion plan, known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Ryan's pleas to federal agencies included letters to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies.

One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records. That company, he said in his letter, would build "sustainable demand for green jobs." Another eventual recipient, the Energy Center of Wisconsin, received about $365,000.
So... because Ryan himself asked for stimulus funds it's just not possible that the stimulus "was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst"? No logic there, next...

RYAN: Said Obama misled people in Ryan's hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

THE FACTS: The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.
Wrong. The plant was open well into 2009, months after Obama enacted his bailout that "allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation" - whoops, I guess the government was there to support a majority of plants, just not the one in Janesville.

RYAN: Obama "created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama hasn't heeded his commission's recommendations, but Ryan's not the best one to complain. He was a member of the commission and voted against its final report.
In other words, there's no lie here, but you can't stand not taking a jab at Paul Ryan.

For a "fact checker," this guy isn't very good at checking facts.
 
In this case it is clearly no fault of the President, he was not even in office. Ryan also forgot to mention that his plan includes the same 700 billion in "cuts" as the ACA. Meaning he plans to do the same thing as he is berating Obama for. Another misleading and ultimately untrue portion of his speech.

wrong.. you may want to listen to Obama himself...Obamabots hate to listen to Obamas own words, becasue then they have to go to plan B and try to prove somehow the frauds words are out of context
 
In this case it is clearly no fault of the President, he was not even in office. Ryan also forgot to mention that his plan includes the same 700 billion in "cuts" as the ACA. Meaning he plans to do the same thing as he is berating Obama for. Another misleading and ultimately untrue portion of his speech.

Obama made a campaign promise to keep the plant open, and it turned out to be B.S.

FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open | WashingtonExaminer.com
 
Wrong. The plant was open well into 2009, months after Obama enacted his bailout that "allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation" - whoops, I guess the government was there to support a majority of plants, just not the one in Janesville.
The GM production line closed on December 23, 2008.


The History of the Janesville GM Plant - Driver's Seat - WSJ

The Janesville, Wis., General Motors plant Paul Ryan mentioned in his speech Wednesday night closed on Dec. 23, 2008 – before President Barack Obama took office and before his auto task force engineered GM’s federally financed bankruptcy.

Opened to make tractors in 1919, the Janesville plant switched to automobiles in the 1920s, made artillery during World War II and became a truck plant after the war. By 2005, it was making hulking SUVs such as the Chevrolet Suburban that Americans were turning their backs on as gas prices rose past $2 a gallon.

In June 2008, with GM’s finances crumbling, then-Chief Executive Rick Wagoner announced Janesville and three other truck plants would close by 2010. Three months later, however, the financial crisis hit. Auto sales plunged and GM, nearly broke, moved up the closing of Janesville and halted production for good on Dec. 23.​
 
Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown


In his acceptance speech, GOP Vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan appeared to suggest that President Obama was responsible for the closing of a GM plant in Ryan’s hometown of Janesville, Wisc.

That’s not true. The plant was closed in December, 2008, before Obama was sworn in. But look how Ryan came close to the line in his speech:

“Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”

Obama gave his speech in February, 2008, and he did say those words. But Ryan’s phrasing, referring to the fact the plant did not last another year, certainly suggests it closed in 2009, when Obama was president.​

Ryan suggested nothing of the sort, you suggested that. In a GM press release (June 2009) it says the plant was placed on standby in May 2009.

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Two other GM assembly plants in Spring Hill, Tenn. and Janesville, Wis. were also under consideration to build the future small car. Spring Hill will be placed in standby capacity status in Nov. 2009, as announced earlier this month. The plant could be brought online at some point in the future should GM require additional capacity due to increased market demand. Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009 and will remain in that status.

Why do you think he spoke at that particular plant, huh? Because it was prospering or what? He said the economy sucked, and was pushing his economic agenda. Why would he go to a plant that was in no danger and talk about saving the economy? He wouldn't have, so he knew this plant's situation, he had to have. But what did he do for 3 years after becoming president to help that plant. Not a goddamn thing.
 
are you trying to run the jive that a Dem Hack on Fox News ,Sally Cohn said its not true? who cares.. she might as well be the unbotoxed Nancy Pelosi

The only truth is that Fox News is fair.. as I dont think you will find a far right wing nut as whacked and stupid a Cohn given any time on MSNBC etc...

All of the points she listed were accurate in terms of Ryan's deceptions. Of course, you probably are one of the folks who still believe Obama ended the welfare work requirement when in fact those waivers being discussed must prove a 20% increase in employment to keep the waiver.
 
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