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What is Governor Romney's plan?

Aunt Spiker said:
I'd rather they be gagged and bound so we can dig up dirt on them to our hearts content - we should spend time analyzing what they've done in their careers (political and otherwise) rather than what they claim they want to do in the future.
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And what has Romney done in his career with respect to, say, foreign policy?
 
AdamT said:
And what has Romney done in his career with respect to, say, foreign policy?
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As much as Obama has. Actually more. Romney has foreign bank accounts.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I'd rather they be gagged and bound so we can dig up dirt on them to our hearts content - we should spend time analyzing what they've done in their careers (political and otherwise) rather than what they claim they want to do in the future.
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Maybe this gagged and bound thing also contributes to the marital spat? :D
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I'd rather they be gagged and bound so we can dig up dirt on them to our hearts content - we should spend time analyzing what they've done in their careers (political and otherwise) rather than what they claim they want to do in the future.
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Exactly. As Aunt Spiker says, no one knows what they're going to do once elected, probably not even the candidate. We'd be better advised to see what they have done with their lives and what they've stood for in the past.
 
joko104 said:
As much as Obama has. Actually more. Romney has foreign bank accounts.
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Really? I didn't realize that Romney had four years as commander in chief and head of US foreign policy. And remind what years Romney sat on the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs?

Mmmm, I believe that would be NO years. And the sum total of Romney's foreign policy experience is ZERO, which was painfully apparent during his world gaffe tour.
 
AdamT said:
And what has Romney done in his career with respect to, say, foreign policy?
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Lived in a foreign country for 2 and a half years... that country, France, is one of our critical and yet volitaile allies...

Become fluent in a second language, French, which is one of the common spoken languages in many of our allies and enemies countries...

Conducted business and negotiated high stakes business deals in multiple countries across the globe...

Extensively traveled, met and kept close friendships with many world leaders, including Israel's PM...

Planned and ran one of the most major world events, the Olympic Games, in which he dealt with foreign delegations and their dignitaries...

Managed the National Guardsmen of Massachusetts and the MA State Police (who have a rigorous academy which is said to be harder than the military training).

Passed the Welcome Home Bill which increased combat pay for MA National Guardsmen, increased and created benefits for their families.

Wrote a book which contained several chapters dedicated to foreign policy, and went on a lengthy publicity tour explaining and defending it...

Perhaps more...


I know it's not exactly Eisenhower's resume... but what had Obama (the guy you voted for and still support) done for foreign experience prior to entering office?


Comparing Romney's foreign policy experience with Obama's prior to taking office, it's either a toss up or slightly in Romney's favor...
 
AdamT said:
And what has Romney done in his career with respect to, say, foreign policy?
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He went to France as a young lad to facilitate the negotiation of the salvation (Mormon style) of French citizens.
 
j-mac said:
Sorry to be obviously the first to fill you in, but intentional misrepresentation is a hallmark of Socialist propaganda. Your plan for the past 4 years has failed. Live with it. America doesn't want your agenda, but I suspect that Cuba has some slots open....Have fun.
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Wait, we have been opperating this country on Paschendale's agenda? And it's a socialist agenda? What year is this? Did I loose some time? When did this country start opperating on a socialist agenda? I hate I missed out on those 4 years.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
Lived in a foreign country for 2 and a half years... that country, France, is one of our critical and yet volitaile allies...

Become fluent in a second language, French, which is one of the common spoken languages in many of our allies and enemies countries...

Conducted business and negotiated high stakes business deals in multiple countries across the globe...

Extensively traveled, met and kept close friendships with many world leaders, including Israel's PM...

Planned and ran one of the most major world events, the Olympic Games, in which he dealt with foreign delegations and their dignitaries...

Managed the National Guardsmen of Massachusetts and the MA State Police (who have a rigorous academy which is said to be harder than the military training).

Passed the Welcome Home Bill which increased combat pay for MA National Guardsmen, increased and created benefits for their families.

Wrote a book which contained several chapters dedicated to foreign policy, and went on a lengthy publicity tour explaining and defending it...

Perhaps more...


I know it's not exactly Eisenhower's resume... but what had Obama (the guy you voted for and still support) done for foreign experience prior to entering office?


Comparing Romney's foreign policy experience with Obama's prior to taking office, it's either a toss up or slightly in Romney's favor...
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You've got a few good points there. Well except the France thing, I know a young student going to Italy for a year, I would hardly expect her to be any more enlightened in foreign policy when she comes back.

Let's face it though, I doubt Romney's experience with foreign affairs even begins to rival Obama's. What he's done doesn't really compare to what you have to do while in office. Obama has had to content with several middle eastern government topplings and the affairs that have come before them. That's just a tiny piece of what he's had to make decisions on. I don't think helping run the olympics is... the same.
 
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frogloe said:
You've got a few good points there. Well except the France thing, I know a young student going to Italy for a year, I would hardly expect her to be any more enlightened in foreign policy when she comes back.

Let's face it though, I doubt Romney's experience with foreign affairs even begins to rival Obama's. What he's done doesn't really compare to what you have to do while in office. Obama has had to content with several middle eastern government topplings and the affairs that have come before them. That's just a tiny piece of what he's had to make decisions on. I don't think helping run the olympics is... the same.
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Frankly, I wouldn't tout Obama's foreign affairs experience too much. He hasn't been doing such a bang up job, if you ask me. In fact, his most successful accomplishments were nothing more than continuing in Bush's direction...following his lead. Pretty much everything Obama did on his own has been underwhelming. And then we have this whole Russia thing...Obama's been kind of pushed around by Putin & Co.

I predict Romney will be able to do as well...but probably better...since he has a better grasp on how to deal with people and he'll stand by our allies instead of throwing them under the bus.
 
Hairytic said:
Wait, we have been opperating this country on Paschendale's agenda? And it's a socialist agenda? What year is this? Did I loose some time? When did this country start opperating on a socialist agenda? I hate I missed out on those 4 years.
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Does the Progressive Era ring a bell?
 
frogloe said:
You've got a few good points there. Well except the France thing, I know a young student going to Italy for a year, I would hardly expect her to be any more enlightened in foreign policy when she comes back.

Let's face it though, I doubt Romney's experience with foreign affairs even begins to rival Obama's. What he's done doesn't really compare to what you have to do while in office. Obama has had to content with several middle eastern government topplings and the affairs that have come before them. That's just a tiny piece of what he's had to make decisions on. I don't think helping run the olympics is... the same.
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I agree the student goin to class for a year in Italy wouldn't qualify them to be president... But it gives her a boatload of experience in foreign affairs that other college students who did not don't have...

With Romney, he wasn't just going for 1 year during the school year, either... He lived there for 2.5yrs, was fluent in the language, enough to convert some of them to his religion... That language he learned, is French, as well... Which many of our neighbors to the north speak, which is spoken by our volitailed ally France, is spoken in many nearby carribian nations, such as Haiti, Montserrat, Guadaloupe, etc. (which the last 2 administrations have had to deal with), and is spoken as a business/political language in many of France's former colonies in Africa and the Middle East which often come up during foreign policy negotiations. So this is a little different from "I wanted to go to see the Colliseum"... He gained valuable experience there...

Right, Obama currently posesses 3.5yrs more foreign policy experience than Romney... but that's Obama having been in office... What's Obama's foreign policy experience prior to being in that office? Nill? Same situation then... If Romney is in office he will have just as much foreign policy experience...

However, clearly, right now... it's not the foreign policy experience which matters as much as the domestic issues, since we are currently falling apart from within... and Obama's fiscal experience is minimal compared with Romneys...

To quantify the foreign policy and fiscal experience advantage in terms of ratios...

Id say Obama 3-5:1 in foreign policy whereas Romney 20-30:1 in fiscal management, the more important of the issues in this campaign...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
I agree the student goin to class for a year in Italy wouldn't qualify them to be president... But it gives her a boatload of experience in foreign affairs that other college students who did not don't have...

With Romney, he wasn't just going for 1 year during the school year, either... He lived there for 2.5yrs, was fluent in the language, enough to convert some of them to his religion... That language he learned, is French, as well... Which many of our neighbors to the north speak, which is spoken by our volitailed ally France, is spoken in many nearby carribian nations, such as Haiti, Montserrat, Guadaloupe, etc. (which the last 2 administrations have had to deal with), and is spoken as a business/political language in many of France's former colonies in Africa and the Middle East which often come up during foreign policy negotiations. So this is a little different from "I wanted to go to see the Colliseum"... He gained valuable experience there...

Right, Obama currently posesses 3.5yrs more foreign policy experience than Romney... but that's Obama having been in office... What's Obama's foreign policy experience prior to being in that office? Nill? Same situation then... If Romney is in office he will have just as much foreign policy experience...

However, clearly, right now... it's not the foreign policy experience which matters as much as the domestic issues, since we are currently falling apart from within... and Obama's fiscal experience is minimal compared with Romneys...

To quantify the foreign policy and fiscal experience advantage in terms of ratios...

Id say Obama 3-5:1 in foreign policy whereas Romney 20-30:1 in fiscal management, the more important of the issues in this campaign...
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I was just advocating for Obama's foreign affairs experience, that was all. I'm not saying Obama should have a second term, I'm generally undecided at the moment. But Obama does have more experience with foreign affairs. That's just a flat out fact. In terms of the the present, Romney doesn't hold much against him in that regard. It's one of the more difficult things about trying to tackle an incumbent president. I agree that domestic issues are probably far more important. I wouldn't go so far to say that Romney is 2000% percent better than Obama at fiscal policy, and I haven't really decided who is a better fit for our national issues. I feel like I need to know everything that Obama has tried to do and try to figure out just how "outrageous" his spending has been.
 
frogloe said:
I was just advocating for Obama's foreign affairs experience, that was all. I'm not saying Obama should have a second term, I'm generally undecided at the moment. But Obama does have more experience with foreign affairs. That's just a flat out fact. In terms of the the present, Romney doesn't hold much against him in that regard. It's one of the more difficult things about trying to tackle an incumbent president. I agree that domestic issues are probably far more important. I wouldn't go so far to say that Romney is 2000% percent better than Obama at fiscal policy, and I haven't really decided who is a better fit for our national issues. I feel like I need to know everything that Obama has tried to do and try to figure out just how "outrageous" his spending has been.
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I commend you for your search for knowledge before making your decision. That's a task many on this forum have forsaken.
 
Mycroft said:
Frankly, I wouldn't tout Obama's foreign affairs experience too much. He hasn't been doing such a bang up job, if you ask me. In fact, his most successful accomplishments were nothing more than continuing in Bush's direction...following his lead. Pretty much everything Obama did on his own has been underwhelming. And then we have this whole Russia thing...Obama's been kind of pushed around by Putin & Co.

I predict Romney will be able to do as well...but probably better...since he has a better grasp on how to deal with people and he'll stand by our allies instead of throwing them under the bus.
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I find it funny that the right can't stand it when the anyone blames Bush for the economic mess we are currently in, but are quick to claim that Obama's success is due to Bush. Cracks me up every time.
 
Hairytic said:
I find it funny that the right can't stand it when the anyone blames Bush for the economic mess we are currently in, but are quick to claim that Obama's success is due to Bush. Cracks me up every time.
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Both Presidents have their good and their bad points, imo.

One of Obama's good points is that he didn't screw up a good thing when it fell in his lap. One of his bad points is he can't take responsibility for his failures.

One of Bush's good points is that he crafted an excellent strategy concerning the Middle East. One of his bad points is that he didn't stand up to free-spending Republicans and Democrats.
 
Mycroft said:
Both Presidents have their good and their bad points, imo.

One of Obama's good points is that he didn't screw up a good thing when it fell in his lap. One of his bad points is he can't take responsibility for his failures.

One of Bush's good points is that he crafted an excellent strategy concerning the Middle East. One of his bad points is that he didn't stand up to free-spending Republicans and Democrats.
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I have to strongly disagree with Bush crafting an excellent strategy concerning the Middle East. I think Obama did a better job when it came to our involvment in Lybia. Bush coast us way too much waging two wars with no clear plan on how to pay for them. ALso, The capture and killing of Bin Laden wasn't just something that fell into Obama's lap. Things like that don't just fall into a president's lap. Bush gave up on finding Bin Laden. I don't see that Obama has failed, unless you expected a miracle. Obama said from the start that the econmic recovery would be slow. Be brought us to the recovery and it is slowly improving. It would improve faster if congress would focus more on jobs and less on Anti-Abortion bills.
 
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