Barack's appeal

hikari said:

I hate to be a spoiler but rightwing propaganda from Cato and left wing from thinkprogress doesn't really amount to proof of anything. Then again is there really such a thing as an unbiased source anymore?

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I hate to point out the obvious, but Thinkprogress reporting on a survey of small businesses doesn't detract from the validity of the survey of small businesses.

Rokkitsci said:

Do you have any proof that Obamacare will reduce the burden on small business???? I mean other than the word of Nancy Pelosi and Obama??

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Currently, there is no proof on either side. All there is, is speculation. We won't know the full impact of Obamacare until it is fully implemented. There are pros and cons on both sides. SOme say it will cost small businesses more, other say having a healthier work force will save small businesses in productivity. In all the articles I have read, even small business owners are mixed in their view. Some like it and claim it will lower costs and help them provide insurance to their employees, which they want to do. Other say it will not.
This is why you can not say, with 100% accuracy what the AHA will do to small businesses. However, it is a start and it can be adjusted to meet this problems.
I will say, however, that the small businesses in Massichusetts didn't seem to mind affordable health care when Romney put it into effect there.

specklebang said:

The key words are outlined in your quote. There is NO solution. The face of manufacturing has changed and we could double our production tomorrow and still have high unemployment.

Neither candidate has a solution because, to be fair, there isn't one. Unless one of them actually pays attention to education, this situation will only get worse. I predict 20% unemployment over the next decade.

I thought that the USG under Obusha would come up with workfare as a solution but they just are too corrupted to make any bold moves. They talked much about restoring the infrastructure but instead they printed trillions to go to banker buddies and simply let people drift into the welfare state.

Obusha had a 2 year window to try and help this situation. He invested this into Obamacare, which is all very lovely but utterly failed to address the job market. After that he was lost to gridlock.

Romney seems equally oblivious. His crown jewel is tax cuts? WTF? Tax cuts? How will that possibly help solve anything. As far as I can tell, it just means more deficit and more money flowing to the people who need it least. Even a billionaire only needs one yacht. So, IMHO, he's as worthless as Obusha and things are going to keep sliding toward oblivion.

Depressing really. This will be my first time to vote 3rd party. I have to express my dismay somehow.

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Yes, very depressing and both sides contributed to this mess but unless we give those who have the capital some certainty to risk investing/speculating there really is no solution because without the innovation from the private sector your education isn't going to do that much good.

Rokkitsci said:

I am still waiting for someone - from Obama on down to the mere poster on a debate forum - to describe what is "fair."

Like all leftists, they throw out a term like "fair share" as though it was a definitive description of something. It is a buzz-word that allows all their incompetent, ignorant, greedy, irresponsible followers to say - "YEAH - this is UNFAIR to me."

As in all DEM propaganda this is a lie.

The 'rich' already pay WAY more than what is 'fair' - unless by 'fair' you mean = "he has more than me, and I want some more of it."

Now if the DEMs were honest, they would say = "let's take MORE from the rich - they don't deserve what they have." This statement is what they really feel, but DEMs can NEVER say what they REALLY mean, because it would reveal them to be greedy, envious, irresponsible, uncaring, incompetent, layabouts.

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Yep, its kind of a bull **** stance from leftists and dems and seems to be their only argument for turning the economy around. I think every leftist needs to be forced to put their own money at risk. I would start by requiring all of them to watch some of these shows on tv like: bering sea gold, shipping wars, fast and loud etc so they can understand how people risk their own money...and then understand how a tax cut would benefit a growing business...

Since I hate typing, and I would end up typing about Obama and Romney til 5 A.M. if I started to, I'm going to link some articles.

Lemony Snicket: Why I'm Voting for President Obama

Why I'm Voting for President Obama in 2012 (And Why You Should Too!)

I don't get how anyone can take Mitt Romney seriously. He continuously says the dumbest ****...

But, onto Obama. He has done a lot of good for this country and I believe he can get more done (hopefully the Republicans won't get in his way this time around).

Many of my reasons for voting for Obama stem from disgust of Mitt Romney. Romney would send us into the dark ages... I would prefer to vote Green Party, but I would have to believe the Green Party has a chance first. But I do like a lot of what Obama has done for this country, despite Congress, so my vote stays with him.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...isenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

I support him for a few reasons:

-support for equal rights means i don't have to hear people bitch as much about it
-his plans to get American exports and manufacturing back on track
-his tax plans
-the healthcare act
-he is a wartime president, drawing down can be delayed severely if changes in staff happen
-his understanding in the inportance of science and technology
-he doesn't question hundreds of scientist about stuff like global warming so he acts as he can to help prevent it from getting worse
-he wasn't tied to a bunch of seedy companies on his way in and not one report has tied him to any yet. The same cannot be said about the other guy

What I don't like about him is he acts like a ***** to much. I hope his next four years he grows some balls and actually tried to unite all these assholes running the country.

sKiTzo said:

I've noticed Barack Obama still has a fair amount of support. Being the only democrat, he'll be tough to beat. The polls here are erratic so it's hard to tell but one thing for sure is he consistently gets votes. I'm curious as to why people want another 4 years. I can't get a straight answer. The last thread I started like this I asked Obama supporters what do they like about Obama? There was 12 pages of irrelevant commentary and arguing but noone could tell me why we should support Obama. I don't want to hear any of the negatives because I already know them all. So please, somebody who supports Obama (with all respect), I would like to know what the appeal is, the reasons, if you will, for wanting Obama to be re-elected.

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Bin laden dead
Gm Saved
Universal health care

99percenter said:

Bin laden dead
Gm Saved
Universal health care

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all obama did was say OK, OBL was found because of the intelligence policies implemented under Bush

GM is in financial chaos and will probably need another bailout next year--if we are stupid enough make the same mistake again. The only winner in the GM deal was the union, and thats the real reason it was done, to save the UAW.

Obamacare will be a financial disaster, 65% of americans do not want it, it will increase the taxes of those who pay taxes and will increase the price of all goods purchased for those who dont pay taxes. It is the worst example of a partisan POS bill in the history of the country..

Both sides are not running "pro" campaigns. The Obama campaign is reasons not to vote for Romney. Romney's campaign is reasons not to vote for Obama.

Both Obama and Romney really suck. But we know what we get with Obama and I don't like it. So the wild card is Romney and we'd find out what we got if we elect him after he becomes president.

JohnWOlin said:

I support him for a few reasons:

-support for equal rights means i don't have to hear people bitch as much about it
-his plans to get American exports and manufacturing back on track
-his tax plans
-the healthcare act
-he is a wartime president, drawing down can be delayed severely if changes in staff happen
-his understanding in the inportance of science and technology
-he doesn't question hundreds of scientist about stuff like global warming so he acts as he can to help prevent it from getting worse
-he wasn't tied to a bunch of seedy companies on his way in and not one report has tied him to any yet. The same cannot be said about the other guy

What I don't like about him is he acts like a ***** to much. I hope his next four years he grows some balls and actually tried to unite all these assholes running the country.

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He has done great things, like giving exemption to the Wal-Mart heirs each worth $20,000,000,000, his extending the Bush tax cuts after promising over 100 times he wouldn't, and congratulating GE for paying no taxes whatsoever.

Under Obama this is a fabulous country to be super rich in. Even has welfare programs for the wealthy such as shifting indigent health care from property taxes to being paid for by blue collar workers. Obama understands the pain of the super rich and is there for them. He also is exceptionally skilled at giving populous speeches for the dumb masses exactly contrary to what he actually does for the mega rich.

So I understand why you support him. You want the super rich to get more breaks for trickle down economics.

Bobcat said:

all obama did was say OK, OBL was found because of the intelligence policies implemented under Bush

GM is in financial chaos and will probably need another bailout next year--if we are stupid enough make the same mistake again. The only winner in the GM deal was the union, and thats the real reason it was done, to save the UAW.

Obamacare will be a financial disaster, 65% of americans do not want it, it will increase the taxes of those who pay taxes and will increase the price of all goods purchased for those who dont pay taxes. It is the worst example of a partisan POS bill in the history of the country..

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OBL is dead because obama had the balls to go into pakistan. Something bush, romney, and mccain all opposed.


How does this clown sound now

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours," Romney said on the campaign trail in August of 2007.

99percenter said:

Bin laden dead
Gm Saved
Universal health care

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Its good that you support the people of China and the government borrowing money from China to finance GM moving its auto production from the USA to China to help reduce Chinese unemployment. I can not criticize your compassion for the Chinese worker, although I do not agree.

But as for universal health care? What the hell are you talking about? Obama has no plan for universal health care. ObamaCare was to shift the tax burden of indigent healthcare from the rich to the working class and to use government power to skim 20% of every healthcare dollar for the insurance industry. ObamaCare is perpetual bailout of insurance corporations. There is no universal health care in it.

99percenter said:

OBL is dead because obama had the balls to go into pakistan. Something bush, romney, and mccain all opposed.


How does this clown sound now

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours," Romney said on the campaign trail in August of 2007.

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obama did the right thing in going after OBL in Pakistan. You have no idea what Romney would have done if faced with the same situation. Obama also said in 08 that we should not violate Pakistan's borders (sorry, he said Pahk eee stahn).

If you are interested in the success of the GM UAW bailout read this: How did our investment in Government Motors turn out? We'll lose $14,601,905,416.80: http://www.bailoutcost.com/

joko104 said:

Its good that you support the people of China and the government borrowing money from China to finance GM moving its auto production from the USA to China to help reduce Chinese unemployment.

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Please back up you claim that GM is "moving its auto production from the USA to China". opcorn2:

Bobcat said:

obama did the right thing in going after OBL in Pakistan. You have no idea what Romney would have done if faced with the same situation. Obama also said in 08 that we should not violate Pakistan's borders (sorry, he said Pahk eee stahn).

If you are interested in the success of the GM UAW bailout read this: How did our investment in Government Motors turn out? We'll lose $14,601,905,416.80: http://www.bailoutcost.com/

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Wrong. Obama said he would violate pakistani sovereignty to catch top level al qaeda targets and bush, mccain, romney, and even his democratic oppenents pounced on him. If obama wasn't president obl would be still at large.

99percenter said:

Wrong. Obama said he would violate pakistani sovereignty to catch top level al qaeda targets and bush, mccain, romney, and even his democratic oppenents pounced on him. If obama wasn't president obl would be still at large.

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you have no way of knowing that, you have no way of knowing what McCain or Romney would have done if placed in the situation that obama had handed to him. and remember, obama had to get Valerie Jarret's (the defacto president) permission before he could give the OK.

AdamT said:

Please back up you claim that GM is "moving its auto production from the USA to China". opcorn2:

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GM is building cars and trucks in China and Mexico, with non-union labor, and they are still on the verge of a second financial crash.

shiang said:

I remember Ron Paul (one of the candidates I liked more), I believe saying in the 2nd debate, "Any one up here can beat Obama?!" and I was like all of you put together can't beat Obama.

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are you kidding?

a deaf mute with half a brain, 1 leg and a colostomy bag can beat Obama. get real.

If it wasn't for Teleprompters that stand up clown wouldn't know what to do.,....or say...lol

There are plenty of available jobs going begging right now. The ones I'm personally aware of are all computer and engineering positions that pat rather well.

There's no real shortage of innovation either. Nor is there a shortage of capital - my bank begs me to take out loans. The Fortune 500 guys are wallowing in cash, have dozens of VPs who do nothing and get paid millions to sit around and play golf.

For businesses that are blue collar labor intensive, it's easier and smarter to outsource. That's why our under-educated masses can't find work. They've been outsourced or replace by robots. The robot developers and operators need to be educated and if they are, they can find a job in a heartbeat.

Awesome! said:

Yes, very depressing and both sides contributed to this mess but unless we give those who have the capital some certainty to risk investing/speculating there really is no solution because without the innovation from the private sector your education isn't going to do that much good.

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specklebang said:

There are plenty of available jobs going begging right now. The ones I'm personally aware of are all computer and engineering positions that pat rather well.

There's no real shortage of innovation either. Nor is there a shortage of capital - my bank begs me to take out loans. The Fortune 500 guys are wallowing in cash, have dozens of VPs who do nothing and get paid millions to sit around and play golf.

For businesses that are blue collar labor intensive, it's easier and smarter to outsource. That's why our under-educated masses can't find work. They've been outsourced or replace by robots. The robot developers and operators need to be educated and if they are, they can find a job in a heartbeat.

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I agree with your take on things in general, but even the engineering jobs and IT jobs are being outsourced. The last two consulting contracts I worked on both used India. I also don't care what the board decides to use their VP's for. Its their choice if they want them on the golf course or to sit around. From my experience that doesn't happen and they all have a load of responsibility on their shoulders.

The under educated will always find work and even if it takes three jobs, they can find a way to better themselves through education. You can still do that in America, but...yes....its very difficult when businesses are cutting back...

Capital is still out there but its very hard to get now from my experience and a lot of entrepreneurs I know still keep creating but lack the seed capital and are very concerned about using their own money to continue to keep their businesses going, but that is just what I've experienced and could be different elsewhere. Regardless, we need new leadership in the white house and Romney will get my vote.

Travis007 said:

His supporters are even stupider today... stupid is tough to cure..

he has weakened people and made them more concerned and risk taking is down as Obama wants..he deals in fear, stupid people realize they are stupid and need to helped, and the Dems create victim so then can appear to be wanting to help them as they poisin them to become needy and creat glass ceilings that cant be crossed with losing that help..

the school are bastions of liberal indoctrination and a sickness due to teachers unions... and Obama is the Unions best freind..

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I don't know about Unions but I think your posts are doing alot for Obama's chances on this board at least.
You do have alot in common with Romney though. You both think insulting half the population is the way to get a majority.

I agree with your take on things in general, but even the engineering jobs and IT jobs are being outsourced. The last two consulting contracts I worked on both used India. I also don't care what the board decides to use their VP's for. Its their choice if they want them on the golf course or to sit around. From my experience that doesn't happen and they all have a load of responsibility on their shoulders.
•My sources of information are limited to a few younger friends who work for large Corporations at mid-levels. I'm sure they tell me the truth as they see it but I don't assume they know everything about everything. My son works for a hugely profitable public utility. They are at 48 VPs that he claims have no function. Nobody gets raises and haven't for years (my son is new to the job after spending the last 15 years on Yucca Mtn., a total aste of taxpayer money). He said 2/3 of his co-workers are Asian but wasn't sure of they were on work visas or were American born. Another friend recently quite Clipper Windpower for a better job but h said that many of his fellow egoneers were on visas because they couldn't find enough qualified workers.

The under educated will always find work and even if it takes three jobs, they can find a way to better themselves through education. You can still do that in America, but...yes....its very difficult when businesses are cutting back...
•Many of the under-educated are not smart enough to better themselves. They can be lovely humans but all brains are not created equal. I'm under-educated but I had the advantage of a fairly high IQ. But I've met other decent folks who couldn't possibly process data well enough to gain useful careers or open businesses.

Capital is still out there but its very hard to get now from my experience and a lot of entrepreneurs I know still keep creating but lack the seed capital and are very concerned about using their own money to continue to keep their businesses going, but that is just what I've experienced and could be different elsewhere. Regardless, we need new leadership in the white house and Romney will get my vote
• As far as I can tell (IMHO alert) thee os plenty of capital but the standards are high. Maybe they always were. I also meet wannabe entrepreneurs who "if they only had money" would do this or that. Lenders expect you to bring more to the table than a good idea. Unless you have money of your own to put at risk, they won'y put up capital. I don't blame them. If you're unable to accumulate capital, you haven't been very successful so far so why should an outside party bet on you?

I don't see how or why this would change under Romney. Lending standards are not set by the USG (except on housing where they meddle constantly). I'm not saying Romney is a "bad choice". I just don't see what he offers to change anything for the better. So far, his golden idea is to cut his own taxes which hardly will make for a better world. Seems self-serving and not of a benefit to most people. I don't have any capital gains - do you? So are you voting FOR Romney or AGAINST Obama?

Awesome! said:

I agree with your take on things in general, but even the engineering jobs and IT jobs are being outsourced. The last two consulting contracts I worked on both used India. I also don't care what the board decides to use their VP's for. Its their choice if they want them on the golf course or to sit around. From my experience that doesn't happen and they all have a load of responsibility on their shoulders.

The under educated will always find work and even if it takes three jobs, they can find a way to better themselves through education. You can still do that in America, but...yes....its very difficult when businesses are cutting back...

Capital is still out there but its very hard to get now from my experience and a lot of entrepreneurs I know still keep creating but lack the seed capital and are very concerned about using their own money to continue to keep their businesses going, but that is just what I've experienced and could be different elsewhere. Regardless, we need new leadership in the white house and Romney will get my vote.

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specklebang said:

I agree with your take on things in general, but even the engineering jobs and IT jobs are being outsourced. The last two consulting contracts I worked on both used India. I also don't care what the board decides to use their VP's for. Its their choice if they want them on the golf course or to sit around. From my experience that doesn't happen and they all have a load of responsibility on their shoulders.
•My sources of information are limited to a few younger friends who work for large Corporations at mid-levels. I'm sure they tell me the truth as they see it but I don't assume they know everything about everything. My son works for a hugely profitable public utility. They are at 48 VPs that he claims have no function. Nobody gets raises and haven't for years (my son is new to the job after spending the last 15 years on Yucca Mtn., a total aste of taxpayer money). He said 2/3 of his co-workers are Asian but wasn't sure of they were on work visas or were American born. Another friend recently quite Clipper Windpower for a better job but h said that many of his fellow egoneers were on visas because they couldn't find enough qualified workers.

The under educated will always find work and even if it takes three jobs, they can find a way to better themselves through education. You can still do that in America, but...yes....its very difficult when businesses are cutting back...
•Many of the under-educated are not smart enough to better themselves. They can be lovely humans but all brains are not created equal. I'm under-educated but I had the advantage of a fairly high IQ. But I've met other decent folks who couldn't possibly process data well enough to gain useful careers or open businesses.

Capital is still out there but its very hard to get now from my experience and a lot of entrepreneurs I know still keep creating but lack the seed capital and are very concerned about using their own money to continue to keep their businesses going, but that is just what I've experienced and could be different elsewhere. Regardless, we need new leadership in the white house and Romney will get my vote
• As far as I can tell (IMHO alert) thee os plenty of capital but the standards are high. Maybe they always were. I also meet wannabe entrepreneurs who "if they only had money" would do this or that. Lenders expect you to bring more to the table than a good idea. Unless you have money of your own to put at risk, they won'y put up capital. I don't blame them. If you're unable to accumulate capital, you haven't been very successful so far so why should an outside party bet on you?

I don't see how or why this would change under Romney. Lending standards are not set by the USG (except on housing where they meddle constantly). I'm not saying Romney is a "bad choice". I just don't see what he offers to change anything for the better. So far, his golden idea is to cut his own taxes which hardly will make for a better world. Seems self-serving and not of a benefit to most people. I don't have any capital gains - do you? So are you voting FOR Romney or AGAINST Obama?

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Im not sure why your son or other sources would deem that the VP's are worthless except for emotional reasons which I can understand. I've been there and always wondered the same thing...what the VPs do all day, but just like your comments about Romney giving himself a tax cut I think emotion is what I am hearing. There is nothing wrong with a tax cut, which only means our government doesn't have more of our taxes to waste but is so eager to report a deficit because of their ineptness to manage.

As far as Obama and Romney, there is a key difference as far as policy is concerned as well as leadership which will affect the risk takers/speculators that will invest. IMO they will invest based on Romneys policies versus Obamas because Romney is pro business from the private sector versus union and government jobs that Obama is for. A key difference. Will Romney be a better leader than Obama. I think so but it remains to be seen.

My vote is more for the candidate that is pro business more than anything. I just don't see Obama getting anything done and think Romney will be able to succeed based on his track record. I would rather have a beer at the end of a long day with Obama, and shoot the **** because he is likeable but at the same time would rather have an SOB in the WH to get things done. I don't really like Romney and do think he is out of touch with the working class but I don't need beer summits or other BS to make me feel good about our Preident. I want a President that will get things done, primarily to get the economy moving again...

Im not sure why your son or other sources would deem that the VP's are worthless except for emotional reasons which I can understand. I've been there and always wondered the same thing...what the VPs do all day, but just like your comments about Romney giving himself a tax cut I think emotion is what I am hearing. There is nothing wrong with a tax cut, which only means our government doesn't have more of our taxes to waste but is so eager to report a deficit because of their ineptness to manage.

• So are we agreeing on disagreeing? First you say that my VP comment is emotional and then you yourself wonder what they do all day. I contend that these are reward jobs and they do damn near nothing all day.

• Am I wrong about Romney giving himself a tax cut? Is he not advocating eliminating the Capital Gains tax? Seems like a self-serving move but of course, I'm just speculating. I have nothing to be emotional about.

As far as Obama and Romney, there is a key difference as far as policy is concerned as well as leadership which will affect the risk takers/speculators that will invest. IMO they will invest based on Romneys policies versus Obamas because Romney is pro business from the private sector versus union and government jobs that Obama is for. A key difference. Will Romney be a better leader than Obama. I think so but it remains to be seen.

• Actually, I've stated elsewhere that I don't have a problem with Romney. He has a lot of management experience. You can see from the campaign that he sucks at politics because he's used to giving orders, not competing with another wily politician. I doubt he can get elected but if he did, I wouldn't have a heart attack. He's also heavily weighed on by his Repugnantcan Party and their endless desire to grow the Government so they can enforce Social Morality. Even though I think Romney would not address social issues, his party will be pressuring him to and the last thing we need id diversion over social issues.


My vote is more for the candidate that is pro business more than anything. I just don't see Obama getting anything done and think Romney will be able to succeed based on his track record. I would rather have a beer at the end of a long day with Obama, and shoot the **** because he is likeable but at the same time would rather have an SOB in the WH to get things done. I don't really like Romney and do think he is out of touch with the working class but I don't need beer summits or other BS to make me feel good about our Preident. I want a President that will get things done, primarily to get the economy moving again...

• I'm still waiting to hear any plan that Romney has above and beyond his own tax cut. You're anti-tax and I'm pro-tax but that's not the thing that will affect us in these troubled times. Taxes are at historical lows and spending is at historical highs and I haven't seen much that indicates that Romney will do anything but more of the same, just the beneficiaries will change. Obama will feed the Unions, Romney will feed the weapon makers. Nobody has much to offer the people in the middle - such as you and me.

Oddly, I would rather have a Gatorade with Romney than a beer with Obama (Mormons don't drink alcohol, coffee or tea). I was a businessman my whole adult life and I'd learn more from Romney than I would from Obusha.

Awesome! said:

Im not sure why your son or other sources would deem that the VP's are worthless except for emotional reasons which I can understand. I've been there and always wondered the same thing...what the VPs do all day, but just like your comments about Romney giving himself a tax cut I think emotion is what I am hearing. There is nothing wrong with a tax cut, which only means our government doesn't have more of our taxes to waste but is so eager to report a deficit because of their ineptness to manage.

As far as Obama and Romney, there is a key difference as far as policy is concerned as well as leadership which will affect the risk takers/speculators that will invest. IMO they will invest based on Romneys policies versus Obamas because Romney is pro business from the private sector versus union and government jobs that Obama is for. A key difference. Will Romney be a better leader than Obama. I think so but it remains to be seen.

My vote is more for the candidate that is pro business more than anything. I just don't see Obama getting anything done and think Romney will be able to succeed based on his track record. I would rather have a beer at the end of a long day with Obama, and shoot the **** because he is likeable but at the same time would rather have an SOB in the WH to get things done. I don't really like Romney and do think he is out of touch with the working class but I don't need beer summits or other BS to make me feel good about our Preident. I want a President that will get things done, primarily to get the economy moving again...

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specklebang said:

Im not sure why your son or other sources would deem that the VP's are worthless except for emotional reasons which I can understand. I've been there and always wondered the same thing...what the VPs do all day, but just like your comments about Romney giving himself a tax cut I think emotion is what I am hearing. There is nothing wrong with a tax cut, which only means our government doesn't have more of our taxes to waste but is so eager to report a deficit because of their ineptness to manage.

• So are we agreeing on disagreeing? First you say that my VP comment is emotional and then you yourself wonder what they do all day. I contend that these are reward jobs and they do damn near nothing all day.

• Am I wrong about Romney giving himself a tax cut? Is he not advocating eliminating the Capital Gains tax? Seems like a self-serving move but of course, I'm just speculating. I have nothing to be emotional about.

As far as Obama and Romney, there is a key difference as far as policy is concerned as well as leadership which will affect the risk takers/speculators that will invest. IMO they will invest based on Romneys policies versus Obamas because Romney is pro business from the private sector versus union and government jobs that Obama is for. A key difference. Will Romney be a better leader than Obama. I think so but it remains to be seen.

• Actually, I've stated elsewhere that I don't have a problem with Romney. He has a lot of management experience. You can see from the campaign that he sucks at politics because he's used to giving orders, not competing with another wily politician. I doubt he can get elected but if he did, I wouldn't have a heart attack. He's also heavily weighed on by his Repugnantcan Party and their endless desire to grow the Government so they can enforce Social Morality. Even though I think Romney would not address social issues, his party will be pressuring him to and the last thing we need id diversion over social issues.


My vote is more for the candidate that is pro business more than anything. I just don't see Obama getting anything done and think Romney will be able to succeed based on his track record. I would rather have a beer at the end of a long day with Obama, and shoot the **** because he is likeable but at the same time would rather have an SOB in the WH to get things done. I don't really like Romney and do think he is out of touch with the working class but I don't need beer summits or other BS to make me feel good about our Preident. I want a President that will get things done, primarily to get the economy moving again...

• I'm still waiting to hear any plan that Romney has above and beyond his own tax cut. You're anti-tax and I'm pro-tax but that's not the thing that will affect us in these troubled times. Taxes are at historical lows and spending is at historical highs and I haven't seen much that indicates that Romney will do anything but more of the same, just the beneficiaries will change. Obama will feed the Unions, Romney will feed the weapon makers. Nobody has much to offer the people in the middle - such as you and me.

Oddly, I would rather have a Gatorade with Romney than a beer with Obama (Mormons don't drink alcohol, coffee or tea). I was a businessman my whole adult life and I'd learn more from Romney than I would from Obusha.

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I think we have a lot in common but like you pointed out have differences regarding taxation...

What I should have done a better job communicating regarding VPs is that I had the general attitude like your son when I was in the same position in middle management and then upper management and then I became a douche bag VP and then just a douche bag P....point being that it always looks greener on the other side or however the saying goes etc. When I was on the freight docks I had the same attitude towards middle management. Long story short, looking back, ignorance was bliss and the sleep of a laborer is sweet like it says somewhere in the bible. Heirarchy is a reality in business and the level below is always bitching about the higher level IMO.

You are right for the most part about Romney as a politician. No comparison to polished up Obama but Romney will not be afraid to give orders unlike this mouse around the issue popularity contest trying to please everybody administration. The people Odrama has surrounded himself with are a joke and he is not able to effectively control them. Who is working for who in this joke admin. At least it won't be this way under Romney IMO because of his experience.

I agree that us in the middle may continue to get the shaft if the size of the Fed continues to grow. We need to kill the Fed cut it down to size and get back our country. Romney will do a better job in this mess by moving the country a little more to the right versus the extreme left that it is going under Obama. Can Romney keep the evangelicals and extreme right under control? I think so, he has the track record of making things happen.