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What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85, 252]

re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

You would have to ask Michelle for those details. ;)

Did you even look at the Obama tax returns when he ran for President in 2008? How do his tax returns support your contention about someone being patriotic has your support?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

My bet is you want the issue and nothing Romney does is going to earn your vote. Again you want a govt. central economy vs. a private sector centered economy. In the private sector I worked with a lot of small business people who were always very happy when they made money and very gloomy when they were losing money. Seems that you and other liberals want to spread liberal misery equally to everyone else.

Thats a good little GOP supporter obeying the marching orders of talk radio. I heard the drug addicted blowhard Limbaugh use that line weeks ago..... 'Mittens should NOT release his tax returns because the people who want them are not going to vote for him anyways'.


Within a day or two it became the main talking point on other right wing radio shows and is now the mantra on sites like this from the Romney crowd. Limbaugh is getting cheated not collecting royalites from his stuff when the True Believers vomit it up on cue.

and yeah - we can see the reply coming..... you don't listen to Limbaugh. But you do listen to others that do.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

You would have to ask Michelle for those details. ;)

'Lil brat!! :rofl

Seriously, Haymarket. Please address the question.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Well, he did release his 2010 tax return:
Mitt Romney's 1040 tax return for 2010 - Boston.com
How about you skim through that and point out those unpatriotic acts of his that have you so worried.
Then perhaps you might post your own return so we can check your patriotism.

Page 7 almost 3 million given to charity, now there is enough reason for a liberal not to vote for Romney as that is 3 million dollars that didn't go to the Govt. bureaucrats to send where it is going to give them the most support to keep their jobs.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Did you even look at the Obama tax returns when he ran for President in 2008? How do his tax returns support your contention about someone being patriotic has your support?

I found nothing in them objectionable.

Did you? If so, feel free to present it right here right now for all to see and discuss.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's* tax returns?

  • Are we looking for illegal activity?
  • Are we looking for his tax exemptions? If they're legal, why does that matter?
  • Are we looking for the rate he paid? Somewhat tied to the previous point, if he paid less legally due to exemptions, why does that matter?
  • Are we looking for his charitable, or lack of, contributions so we can say, "Aha!!!"

Seriously, what do we expect to find? Please, to those for whom this is a big deal, be specific.

*- Really applies to any candidate in any election, but Romney is the 'guy-du-jour'.

"We" are looking for something, anything that can be spun into a big deal and used to distract from the real issues.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Thats a good little GOP supporter obeying the marching orders of talk radio. I heard the drug addicted blowhard Limbaugh use that line weeks ago..... 'Mittens should NOT release his tax returns because the people who want them are not going to vote for him anyways'.


Within a day or two it became the main talking point on other right wing radio shows and is now the mantra on sites like this from the Romney crowd. Limbaugh is getting cheated not collecting royalites from his stuff when the True Believers vomit it up on cue.

and yeah - we can see the reply coming..... you don't listen to Limbaugh. But you do listen to others that do.

Answer the question Maggie raised and then tell me what you think of page 7 on the Romney tax return showing 3 million dollars going to charity? I don't think your diversion is going to change the questions you are being asked
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

'Lil brat!! :rofl

Seriously, Haymarket. Please address the question.

Now my feelings are getting hurt. :(;)

What question am I suppose to be answering?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I found nothing in them objectionable.

Did you? If so, feel free to present it right here right now for all to see and discuss.

I didn't look at them nor do I care. You and other liberals are making Romney's tax returns or any other Republican tax returns an issue just to divert from the Obama results. Since you want to compare tax returns how did both compare in charitable giving? Is it objectionable that Romney gave 3 million to charity?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Now my feelings are getting hurt. :(;)

What question am I suppose to be answering?

Here's your criteria for Romney:

I would look to see how and where he has made his investments. Were they with America - American corporations which helped American jobs and the American people? Or were they part of the effort to help companies do business elsewhere and promote jobs elsewhere at the expense of the American worker and the American people? Does Romney put his money in American banks and institutions of investment or does he invest in other nations and help grow them while America suffers and declines due to lack of investment.

You've got Obama's tax returns. How does he stack up using this same criteria? Please be specific since without your ability to personally dissect his returns (One year will do) if you saw Romney's you'd just be regurgitating media bilge water. ;) ;)
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I didn't look at them nor do I care. You and other liberals are making Romney's tax returns or any other Republican tax returns an issue just to divert from the Obama results. Since you want to compare tax returns how did both compare in charitable giving? Is it objectionable that Romney gave 3 million to charity?

I would be happy to look at those comparisons when you make them...... but I thought you did not care?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Here's your criteria for Romney:

You've got Obama's tax returns. How does he stack up using this same criteria? Please be specific since without your ability to personally dissect his returns (One year will do) if you saw Romney's you'd just be regurgitating media bilge water. ;) ;)

As I told my good friend Conservative, I found no warning flags in the Obama returns.

This article quoting tax experts may be a good place to begin:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1827632.html


WASHINGTON -- Tax experts who have begun to examine the Bain Capital documents released Thursday by Gawker are raising questions as to whether presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney has paid all the taxes he owed. At issue are two tax-avoidance techniques employed by Bain Capital, the firm founded by Romney, which have been commonly used in the private equity world but have come under increasing legal scrutiny.

The first scheme involves owning U.S. dividend-paying stocks in an offshore account and pretending, for accounting purposes, not to own the stock. Instead, the taxpayer tells the Internal Revenue Service that he owns a derivative product that is identical in every way to the stock -- except it isn't the stock, so therefore no U.S. taxes are owed. It's called a "total return equity swap," because the buyer still gets the benefit -- the "total return" -- of owning the stock, or equity.

"This use of total return equity swaps, such as to avoid the U.S. dividend withholding tax, was very widespread for more than a decade, and may not be dead yet, although the IRS issued a shot-across-the-bow Notice concerning the practice in 2010," writes Daniel Shaviro, the Wayne Perry Professor of Taxation at New York University School of Law. "But taxpayers who engaged in it to avoid the dividend withholding tax were coming perilously close to committing tax fraud, in cases where the economic equivalence to direct ownership was too great."

The second technique is "not legal," according to Victor Fleischer, a tax expert and professor of law at the University of Colorado. A taxpayer saves substantial amounts of money by pretending that regular income received as a management fee for running a private equity firm is not income, but is instead a capital gain. That drops the tax rate on that income from 35 percent to 15 percent.
 
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re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I would be happy to look at those comparisons when you make them...... but I thought you did not care?

Oh, I see, the Romney tax returns have been posted here and shows he paid over 4.6 million in taxes and gave 3 million to charities. How does that compare to Obama's. Now tell me why the big concern over Romney's returns and what in the 2010-2011 tax returns do you find unpatriotic?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Oh, I see, the Romney tax returns have been posted here and shows he paid over 4.6 million in taxes and gave 3 million to charities. How does that compare to Obama's. Now tell me why the big concern over Romney's returns and what in the 2010-2011 tax returns do you find unpatriotic?

Again, if you want to do comparisons, you tell me.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Here's your criteria for Romney:



As I told my good friend Conservative, I found no warning flags in the Obama returns.

This article quoting tax experts may be a good place to begin:

Mitt Romney Tax Returns May Have Employed Legally Dubious Maneuvers, Tax Experts Say

So you see the Romney 2010 tax returns and prelminary 2011, tell us what is questionable in that return and why the Huffington Post article concerns you. You have a problem with giving 3 million dollars to charity? and giving the govt. an interest free loan, use of his money, for a year?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Again, if you want to do comparisons, you tell me.

You are the one making tax returns an issue, not me, what is in the Romney return that would prevent you from voting for him? The 3 million going to charity?
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I think the decisions Romney made help identify Romney as a patriot or not someone who has placed America and its people first.

What????????
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Thats a good little GOP supporter obeying the marching orders of talk radio. I heard the drug addicted blowhard Limbaugh use that line weeks ago..... 'Mittens should NOT release his tax returns because the people who want them are not going to vote for him anyways'.


Within a day or two it became the main talking point on other right wing radio shows and is now the mantra on sites like this from the Romney crowd. Limbaugh is getting cheated not collecting royalites from his stuff when the True Believers vomit it up on cue.

and yeah - we can see the reply coming..... you don't listen to Limbaugh. But you do listen to others that do.
Actually, Limbaugh got it from me since I said in a response to a poster here some time ago. But since it is such an obvious truism there is really no need to attribute the response to any one person in particular. You wont be voting for Romney. You know it and so does everyone else. And there is nothing in his returns that is going to sway you either way.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

What????????

I think the decisions Romney made help identify Romney as a patriot or not .... or someone who has NOT placed America and its people first.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

and this article sheds more light on the issue of his returns, what we know about them and why we need to know more

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/b...rn-clues-in-foreign-taxes.html?pagewanted=all

Is there an IRS case against Romney? People in that tax bracket get audited every year. If anything was done illegally, the IRS would have a case against him. If there is no IRS case, this is nothing but a distraction to take the focus off of obama's miserable record and his questionable unknown past.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Actually, Limbaugh got it from me since I said in a response to a poster here some time ago. But since it is such an obvious truism there is really no need to attribute the response to any one person in particular. You wont be voting for Romney. You know it and so does everyone else. And there is nothing in his returns that is going to sway you either way.

Which is irrelevant to the right of an American citizen to raise issues about the people who would serve the people in government.

You know that and so does everyone else.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

Which is irrelevant to the right of an American citizen to raise issues about the people who would serve the people in government.

You know that and so does everyone else.
He released a return, so what are your issues? What you want to do is go fishing.

You know that and so does everyone else.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I think the decisions Romney made help identify Romney as a patriot or not .... or someone who has NOT placed America and its people first.

What decisions? Do you think Romney sits down with turbotax and does his taxes on his PC? He has lawyers and tax accountants do it, The IRS audits him every year.

What decisions do Pelosi and her untra rich husband make about their taxes?

This whole thing is foolish.
 
re: What, exactly, are "we" looking for in Romney's tax returns? [W:85]

I think the decisions Romney made help identify Romney as a patriot or not .... or someone who has NOT placed America and its people first.


haymarket, Could you identify for us what in your opinion would be the parameters that indentify patriotism in a tax return, and what you want to see Romney have done as far as taxes go that would make him a patriot or unpatriotic to you? Also, could you point out what in the Obama return makes him a patriot?
 
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