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"you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

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Too funny! :lamo

glad you enjoyed it adam, I thought the humor would be over your head. :lamo
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

I dont care if they are paying a fee to rent the convention hall it is not the point.

The convention hall was funded by the PUBLIC, something that the GOP thinks is evil and does not create jobs or anything of benefit.

Their whole attack on Obama on the "comment" is based on the idea that the public sector can not create wealth or jobs and does not "matter"... and yet here are they benefiting from public sector works and funding! Hypocrites!

They should have chosen a non hurricane city (come on.. did they not learn the last time?), and a venue not funded by public money! They should also have refused public funding period. Their whole policy background is that private is good, government is bad.. and yet here they have no problem sucking at the tit of the public purses.

How can people take them seriously when they claim one thing, and do the opposite? Just like the GOP being against stimulus funds, but when it comes to opening public works funded by stimulus funds, they have no problem standing in front of the media with a big scissor or a big check... pathetic hypocrites.

where did anyone in the GOP ever say public facilities were evil? answer that and then we will address your other foolish comments.
 
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Only a blind partisan idealogue would still have their head in the sand and not understand the basic point Obama was making in those remarks.

Only a collectivist talks as though the money used to build those roads, wasn't taxes paid by the people that built the businesses, but rather some magical money summoned forth by the govt and blessedly bestowed upon the greedy businesses of America. "You didn't build that, someone else did that".....that someone else includes the same people that built the businesses.
 
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I admire the fact that they have realized that socialism will never work and are gradually moving towards capitalism. Do you think thats a bad thing?

LOL do you even know what socialism is? The USSR was never really socialist. It was a dictatorship. Same with China. They used socialist economic theories at times, but later on switched to more capitalist ideas yes, but they never ever gave up power. At the end of the day, being in a system where the few wealthy control all the power and wealth, is no different if it is socialist lead or capitalist lead. And if you have Russia and China as some sort of ideal.. then you better change your constitution fast, because it wont happen as long as you have this free speech thing going on. But saying that, the GOP did start the road towards Russia and China by starting GITMO and increasing prison funding and populations dramatically. You have to keep all the riff-raff political dissidents somewhere after all.

The system the obama is trying to put in place in the US would be a system where a tiny group of super elites control all the money and all the power, and everyone else is EQUALLY miserable

Now you are tripping..... Obama has not built the current US political and economic system. That was built over decades, by both parties yes, but the catalyst was Reaganomics... the trickle down effect. Blaming Obama for this is beyond pathetic. The last president was the ultimate elitist who catered for his friends and backers and yet where were the complaints about that? Oh the same place as the massive spending increases he did, and the massive deficits he did..... <crickets>...

I dont think Obama has done enough pure and simple, but it has been hard with the part of NOOOOOOOO! control one house of congress.

But I also know going to the GOP will only make things much much worse because they are pushing the same idiotic policies that created the freaking problem in the first place. Free market my ass.. there has not been a free market system in the US for many many many decades. It has been the market of the few rich and powerful companies. The Bush bailouts of the banking sector showed us where the real power is.. not with the people, but with the big corporations and their few owners.

Any ways.. better stop posting here, just had a small heart attack a few weeks ago, so getting pissed is not too good for me... laters!
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

glad you enjoyed it adam, I thought the humor would be over your head. :lamo

Unintentional humor is always the best kind.
 
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I am not and Obama supporter "BUT" I think what he said was misunderstood.I'm 82 years old and did not get to this wripe old age on my own.If someone had not helped me on my way up I would have left this earth a long time ago.everyone needs some kind of help. If we could do everything by ourselves we would not need anyone on this earth.Rich people get rich by people like me.They have the dream and we do the labor."One hand washes the other"
 
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No, I mean the GOP are a bunch of hypocrites. THEY choose to use the arena that was built by public money. THEY choose to accept the 50 million in public funding... They did not build the arena... the public did, they did not fund the security and other parts... the public did!... hypocrites!

the money came from success in commerce. period.

hypocrites is a bad term, but the idiots lining up to applaud govenrment for things produced on the backs of success from the private sector need called out for their idiocy
 
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There are most certainly people in living in the Amazon. So the customers are there.

I look forward to hearing of your successful business venture there. What are you going to sell, and what currency will the residents pay you in?
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

When Obama said "you didn't build it" it showed a lot about his ideology and what he really believes about government.

what he did not say, but is pretty obvious, is the natural follow on to "you didn't build it". If you didn't build it, then its not yours and you have to share it with everyone else. This is marxist collectivist thinking, no personal property, everything owned by everyone and an overbearing government that decides who gets what.

Think, people, is this the America you want your kids living in?

In grammar, an antecedent is a noun, noun phrase, or clause to which a pronoun refers. For example, in the passage "I did not see John because he wasn't there", "John" is the antecedent of the pronoun "he".

The word "antecedent" begins with the prefix "ante-", meaning "before", because almost always the antecedent occurs before the pronoun.

In the context of this speech given by President Obama, can you identify the antecedent of the demonstrative pronoun 'that' and personal pronoun 'it'?

Answer that question if you seek the real meaning.
 
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I am not and Obama supporter "BUT" I think what he said was misunderstood.I'm 82 years old and did not get to this wripe old age on my own.If someone had not helped me on my way up I would have left this earth a long time ago.everyone needs some kind of help. If we could do everything by ourselves we would not need anyone on this earth.Rich people get rich by people like me.They have the dream and we do the labor."One hand washes the other"

Welcome, Vermae!! We need your wizened opinions here. ;)
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

OK, enough of your juvenile insults, if you cannot participate in the discussion like an adult, leave because you are making a fool of yourself. If the concept of the OP is too complex for your simple mind, then you need to focus on some remedial education instead of looking like an idiot on an internet message board.


LOL this coming from someone who lies and makes accusation without a basis in logic or reasoning. I'll leave the thread when I'm damn good and ready and if you don't like that either report me or deal with it.

Obama had not said anything you claim, so it's not my fault you got called on your lies.
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Bobcat.....liberals don't care about philosophy. They are legalists, they are simply trying to read what he said, without applying it to anything beyond what he said.

I know, you know, and much of America knows what Obama means. You are right. He can make those types of statements, because he believes society is responsible for everyone's success, therefore, successful people owe society. Not just a "thank you", but that successful people and businesses literally OWE society and government.

You hit it on the head. Obama is making the case that if it weren't for government, and a society of consumers, people wouldn't become successful. Fine. But why say it if you don't think those successful people "owe" more taxes? Why say it if you don't think successful people "owe" something back to society?

It is truly collectivism. Collectively we helped Warren Buffett become rich, so we should also share collectively with that success. It's what he means by "shared prosperity" and "shared sacrifice".

Liberals don't just deny it, they are unable to even comprehend it. Kudos to you for understanding and recognizing......
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

When Obama said "you didn't build it" it showed a lot about his ideology and what he really believes about government.

what he did not say, but is pretty obvious, is the natural follow on to "you didn't build it". If you didn't build it, then its not yours and you have to share it with everyone else. This is marxist collectivist thinking, no personal property, everything owned by everyone and an overbearing government that decides who gets what.

Think, people, is this the America you want your kids living in?

This has been discussed for far too long. You will never admit that his quote was taken out of context and even when you have read the whole thing you have made your judgement. So don't vote for him. Vote for R & R who are liars who tell you one thing and do another.
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

fox took one sentence and used it out of context.
Not quite. Obama used one sentence that shatters any Leftist rebuttal: "You didn't build that".
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

This has been discussed for far too long. You will never admit that his quote was taken out of context and even when you have read the whole thing you have made your judgement. So don't vote for him. Vote for R & R who are liars who tell you one thing and do another.

And you will never admit that the philosophy behind his comments are beyond your paygrade.....

I'm not taking him out of context, and neither is Bobcat. I'm putting the entirety of his comment IN CONTEXT of the philosophy behind that comment. But like I said, Obama's philosophy is something NO LIBERAL cares to discuss.

You aren't even having the same debate I am. You're caught up in something else. You will refuse to discuss the philosophy of "collectivism", and how this comment of Obama's is a perfect example of the philosophy of "collectivism" he espouses, and has espoused his entire life. In his books, in his comments, in his speeches, IN THIS COMMENT HERE.

When you are prepared to discuss the philosophy of "collectivism", then we can discuss his comment about "you didn't build that". Obama said, "you didn't build that"....so who did? Liberals say, "we all helped build that". OK. I get it. I'm no longer taking him out of context.

"We all helped"....."somewhere down the road, you had a good teacher".....He's putting forth the argument that "collectively", "we all helped" you become successful. Teachers educated you, government provided roads and bridges for you, customers bought goods or services from you.

COLLECTIVISM!!!!! Pay attention, and you might....just might, learn something....
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Does Ford owe some of its profit to the road construction companies that built the roads? Does Apple owe some of its profits to UPS for delivering their products. Does the Heinz food company owe some of its profits to grocery stores that sell ketchup?

Sort of. These companies need to pay taxes, to pay for the "commons' they use to make money. Theoretically, they benefit more from the roads, education systems, military, etc. than an individual, so they should pay more in taxes. It's a pretty simple concept.
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Not quite. Obama used one sentence that shatters any Leftist rebuttal: "You didn't build that".

But what is "that" he's referring to? To me, it sounded like he was referring to the infrastructure that companies (and thereby business owners) use to make money. If you take just that sentence, by itself, you can insert any meaning you want for "that".
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Sort of. These companies need to pay taxes, to pay for the "commons' they use to make money. Theoretically, they benefit more from the roads, education systems, military, etc. than an individual, so they should pay more in taxes. It's a pretty simple concept.

Does Ford pay more taxes than you? Why yes they do!!!! So what's the real reason you're debating this issue?
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

But what is "that" he's referring to? To me, it sounded like he was referring to the infrastructure that companies (and thereby business owners) use to make money. If you take just that sentence, by itself, you can insert any meaning you want for "that".

Ok fine, let's say you are 100% correct in that he was talking about the infrastructure.

Why does he feel the need to point that out to everyone? What's his motive in telling people "you didn't build" the infrastructure you use to make money?

Follow the logic out to his philosophy. He's saying, society had a hand in your success, and therefore, it's your duty to pay higher taxes. It's an argumental foundation for raising taxes on people who have become more successful than others.

It's the philosophy of COLLECTIVISM.

Here's how I can prove what I'm saying is true. This IS his philosophy, and he verifies it when he says things like this, "A lot of wealthy people will agree with me"....and "people LIKE ME (wealthy) can afford to pay more taxes". He verifies it by saying, "People like me and Mitt Romney don't need a tax break".

He's making the argument that successful people OWE society, simply because they have the means to pay more. It's the Marxist principle of "from each ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY, to each ACCORDING TO HIS NEED".

Analyize that statement.....the responsibility to PAY simply comes from one's ABILITY to pay. It's collectivism.
 
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re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Not quite. Obama used one sentence that shatters any Leftist rebuttal: "You didn't build that".

to what does "that" refer, in your opinion?
 
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I find this whole premise that "This shows Obama wants Socialism" to be a bit far fetched.

The Liberal and Conservative ideology differ on many things, and communal advancement is one of them. On the right end of the spectrum, conservatives procure the notion of individualism, that each person ought to go out and make it on there own. This leads to other right-wing ideals such as personal responsibility, and opportunity for every individual.

Those on the left prefer a collective viewpoint, much akin to the saying, "it takes a village." Liberals tend to see the advancement of a group rather than independent persons as the more important. This ties in with the Left wing points of understanding relationships with other people as well as a sense of unity.

Both sides have their arguments, and each are assured that they themselves hold the high ground. I find myself in the left leaning area, but I feel qualified to make this argument.

Obama is left leaning, hence his Democratic position. Not surprisingly, he paints a more community driven picture of America.
His last line in the aforementioned speech

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

actually panders to both sides. He references the individualism of the right while reminding that we've all had help along the way. His entire sentiment of a group driven success should be expected, after all, he is left leaning.

Therefore, I doubt the claim that a excerpt from his speech implies that he wants to turn America into a Socialist state. I don't recall him discussing transferring the means of production into the hands of the workers, unless I'm missing something.
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

I find this whole premise that "This shows Obama wants Socialism" to be a bit far fetched.

The Liberal and Conservative ideology differ on many things, and communal advancement is one of them. On the right end of the spectrum, conservatives procure the notion of individualism, that each person ought to go out and make it on there own. This leads to other right-wing ideals such as personal responsibility, and opportunity for every individual.

Those on the left prefer a collective viewpoint, much akin to the saying, "it takes a village." Liberals tend to see the advancement of a group rather than independent persons as the more important. This ties in with the Left wing points of understanding relationships with other people as well as a sense of unity.

Both sides have their arguments, and each are assured that they themselves hold the high ground. I find myself in the left leaning area, but I feel qualified to make this argument.

Obama is left leaning, hence his Democratic position. Not surprisingly, he paints a more community driven picture of America.
His last line in the aforementioned speech



actually panders to both sides. He references the individualism of the right while reminding that we've all had help along the way. His concluding statement should be expected, after all, he is left leaning.

Therefore, I doubt the claim that a excerpt from his speech implies that he wants to turn America into a Socialist state. I don't recall him discussing transferring the means of production into the hands of the workers, unless I'm missing something.
No...he doesnt want socialism. He wants power...status. He knows the best way to maintain power is to appeal to the weakest link. LBJ knew the same thing which is why he pushed civil rights reform. Had nothing to do with care or concern for the people and everything to do with keeping them dependent and voting.
 
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Can I point out that your "real meaning" means inferences from what he actually said? Since you do have the ability to tap into peolpe's minds to read their thoughts you should really sell that ability. You could easily be rich.
 
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No...he doesnt want socialism. He wants power...status. He knows the best way to maintain power is to appeal to the weakest link. LBJ knew the same thing which is why he pushed civil rights reform. Had nothing to do with care or concern for the people and everything to do with keeping them dependent and voting.

So in other words, he's a politician.
 
re: "you didn't build it" the real meaning [W:838]

Why does he feel the need to point that out to everyone? What's his motive in telling people "you didn't build" the infrastructure you use to make money?
It's funny isn't it? People will say it was taken out of context, but it's the context that's particularly damning. So what if he was referencing roads and bridges? Am I to believe that what he REALLY meant was:

"If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. If you're successful, somebody gave you some help, somebody helped to create this wonderful American system that we have, that allowed you to thrive, somebody invested in roads and bridges - you didn't build that - if you own a business, you built that though."

Or did he mean... "somebody invested in roads and bridges, if you you own a business, you didn't build that - somebody else who doesn't own a business built those roads and bridges!"
 
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