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If Romney Releases Only 5 years of his Tax Returns, Will that Satisfy you?[W:296]

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TheNextEra said:
Huge issue? I would say the economy, unemployment, and the debt are huge issues. This is a distraction.
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Its an issue of TRUST -which is the biggest issue and most basic issue in any election. Do you really think the American voter is going to put their trust in a man who refuses to put his trust in US? If Romney trusted us he would release his taxes and then explain them, putting his trust in us that we are reasonable enough to understand his reasoning behind how he did his taxes. But by NOT releasing them, Romney plays right into the characterization of him not caring about the American people. He does not have faith in us. He does not respect us. We are like the gay kid in high school whose hair he cut off. We are the lifetime employee of a plant that Bain callously laid off, we are the dog that he tied to the rack of his car. Romney does not respect us enough to be honest with us about his taxes. He has no TRUST in us, so why the funk should we TRUST him?!?
 
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Bobcat said:
exactly right, people in that income bracket are audited every year. If there was anything amiss, the IRS would have a case on record against him and obama would have access to that. This is a distraction, nothing more.
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It is a distraction-one that may work because perception of a person is everything..but I don't really care.
I think tax rate just shows how the rich operate...lowest taxes in decades+loopholes+swiss+caymen islands+ absurdly low capital gains tax=an economy tilted towards those who are successful. As Romney said, Paraphrase-''I don't care about the poor there's a safety net for them". I don't care about the rich they have their money, i care about those who struggle
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
Its an issue of TRUST -which is the biggest issue and most basic issue in any election. Do you really think the American voter is going to put their trust in a man who refuses to put his trust in US? If Romney trusted us he would release his taxes and then explain them, putting his trust in us that we are reasonable enough to understand his reasoning behind how he did his taxes. But by NOT releasing them, Romney plays right into the characterization of him not caring about the American people. He does not have faith in us. He does not respect us. We are like the gay kid in high school whose hair he cut off. We are the lifetime employee of a plant that Bain callously laid off, we are the dog that he tied to the rack of his car. Romney does not respect us enough to be honest with us about his taxes. He has no TRUST in us, so why the funk should we TRUST him?!?
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Take "conservative" off your lean. If you're not voting for Romney? You're casting your vote for the most left-leaning politician in United States history.

Romney's not going to release his tax returns. If he did that, Obama wins. He gets to focus on imagined (and hardly understandable) "wrongs" on Romney's tax returns...INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE DAMNED ISSUES.
 
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MaggieD said:
Take "conservative" off your lean. If you're not voting for Romney? You're casting your vote for the most left-leaning politician in United States history.

Romney's not going to release his tax returns. If he did that, Obama wins. He gets to focus on imagined (and hardly understandable) "wrongs" on Romney's tax returns...INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE DAMNED ISSUES.
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Maggie...News Flash....Willard just announced he would release his full 2011 return.

Crumbling....crumbling....
 
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MaggieD said:
Romney's not going to release his tax returns. If he did that, Obama wins. He gets to focus on imagined (and hardly understandable) "wrongs" on Romney's tax returns...INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE DAMNED ISSUES.
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There is no greater issue than TRUST when it comes to electing a President. Look at Nixon, at how he forever tarnished the office of the Presidency and led our nation into its most bleak period in our lifetimes! That is what happens when you have a POTUS who is not worth your trust and the American voter has been leary of such politicians ever since. We will not vote for someone we cannot trust. That is why we did not vote for flip flopper John Kerry. And it is why we will not vote for RINO ROmney. We cannot trust RINO Romney until he releases his tax returns. Plain and simple. He will lose if he doesnt accept Obama's offer to release at least 5 YEARS of his taxes.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Maggie...News Flash....Willard just announced he would release his full 2011 return.

Crumbling....crumbling....
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Newsflash. He always intended to do so. WTH are you talking about? Thanks, though, 'cause I didn't know his middle name was Willard.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Maggie...News Flash....Willard just announced he would release his full 2011 return.

Crumbling....crumbling....
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October 5th. My guess, right after his camp announces their October surprise. If he does it right the Obama camp will be so busy trying to bury what comes out they won't have time to even look at Romney's taxes.
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
There is no greater issue than TRUST when it comes to electing a President. Look at Nixon, at how he forever tarnished the office of the Presidency and led our nation into its most bleak period in our lifetimes! That is what happens when you have a POTUS who is not worth your trust and the American voter has been leary of such politicians ever since. We will not vote for someone we cannot trust. That is why we did not vote for flip flopper John Kerry. And it is why we will not vote for RINO ROmney. We cannot trust RINO Romney until he releases his tax returns. Plain and simple. He will lose if he doesnt accept Obama's offer to release at least 5 YEARS of his taxes.
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Then he loses. But he won't lose because I choose to vote for someone else. You want a leftist to have four more years? Fine. I'm just hoping for a no-Dem majority in either house. Personally? I think it's going to be a pretty good horse race. I give the average conservative with more brains than you do apparently.
 
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clownboy said:
October 5th. My guess, right after his camp announces their October surprise. If he does it right the Obama camp will be so busy trying to bury what comes out they won't have time to even look at Romney's taxes.
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Ya' know? I've thought of that very thing.
 
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MaggieD said:
Take "conservative" off your lean. If you're not voting for Romney? You're casting your vote for the most left-leaning politician in United States history.
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Oh come on now, you're really sinking to that level, "Vote my candidate or you're not a conservative"?

Just because the GOP put up a weak candidate that conservatives (including many in my family) cannot get behind, you're resorting to name calling by saying they aren't conservatives? Gimme a break.
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
Its an issue of TRUST -which is the biggest issue and most basic issue in any election. Do you really think the American voter is going to put their trust in a man who refuses to put his trust in US? If Romney trusted us he would release his taxes and then explain them, putting his trust in us that we are reasonable enough to understand his reasoning behind how he did his taxes. But by NOT releasing them, Romney plays right into the characterization of him not caring about the American people. He does not have faith in us. He does not respect us. We are like the gay kid in high school whose hair he cut off. We are the lifetime employee of a plant that Bain callously laid off, we are the dog that he tied to the rack of his car. Romney does not respect us enough to be honest with us about his taxes. He has no TRUST in us, so why the funk should we TRUST him?!?
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So if Romney doesn't give you complete access to his house, is he hiding something? Seriously that is the most ****ed up reasoning I've heard.

Romney has provided everything he had to provide. If you and others want him to go beyond that, make a law saying so.

No wonder this country is so ****ed up when we have people worried more about birth certificates, tax records, and college records than the economy, unemployment and the debt.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Oh come on now, you're really sinking to that level, "Vote my candidate or you're not a conservative"?

Just because the GOP put up a weak candidate that conservatives (including many in my family) cannot get behind, you're resorting to name calling by saying they aren't conservatives? Gimme a break.
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If a conservative would, in one way or another, cast a vote for Obama? They're not a conservative. (By one way or another, I mean either not voting or voting for a third-party candidate.)

Since when is it name-calling to say someone isn't a conservative????
 
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MaggieD said:
Newsflash. He always intended to do so. WTH are you talking about? Thanks, though, 'cause I didn't know his middle name was Willard.
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Um.......


Just before the Iowa caucus last December (2011), Mitt told MSNBC, “I don’t intend to release the tax returns. I don’t."

Investigation: Mitt Romney
 
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MaggieD said:
If a conservative would, in one way or another, cast a vote for Obama? They're not a conservative. (By one way or another, I mean either not voting or voting for a third-party candidate.)
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No, it means the GOP put up a non-conservative so people would rather vote for a third party conservative. Get over it and blame the GOP and voters for the pick that were more concerned about getting Obama out then getting a conservative candidate.

MaggieD said:
Since when is it name-calling to say someone isn't a conservative????
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If I called you a liberal when you're not, is that flattery? I don't think so. Figure it out, it's not that hard.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um.......

Just before the Iowa caucus last December (2011), Mitt told MSNBC, “I don’t intend to release the tax returns. I don’t."

Investigation: Mitt Romney
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Okay, I see. I was referring to him having released his tax return for 2010 and an estimate for 2011. From that point forward, he always intended to release his 2011 return -- when it was completed. Your link and his quote is kinda' old news.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Oh come on now, you're really sinking to that level, "Vote my candidate or you're not a conservative"?

Just because the GOP put up a weak candidate that conservatives (including many in my family) cannot get behind, you're resorting to name calling by saying they aren't conservatives? Gimme a break.
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Exactly!
Promoting Romney as the face of the Repubican Party is a shame. It disgraces true COnservatives like myself and tells the rest of the coutnry that we are the party of Sarah Palin gimmicks and dishonest parisan hacks. Its time to bring some honesty back to the Republican Party. If not, then alot of us true conservatives will be heading toward the Libertarian camp. Some of us are already prepared to write-in Ron Paul as are choice. But to put RINO Romney up there is a true isgrace to the Party and to our great nation.
 
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I'd be satisfied with just the 2009 return.

As far as I'm concerned there are three legitimate reasons that Romney should release his tax returns, and they all revolve around the 2009 return.

1). Is Romney honest? Romney said that he's paid more than 13% every year. Most tax experts believe that Romney paid little to no taxes in 2009 because of loss harvesting due to the financial collapse. Everyone acknowledges that Romney has has serious credibility issues and a habit of relying on "retroactive" statements.

2). Did Romney take advantage of the IRS amnesty in 2009? We already know that he signed off on the Son of Boss transaction Marriott was caught using in 2004. He also has Swiss bank accounts, Cayman island business addresses, and owns property that is known to be used as an illegal tax shelter. Sure we have no proof, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty high. And GOPers remember, tax evasion is a federal offence. Amnesty or not, it's still a "high crime or misdemeanour". Don't think for a second that the Democrats are going to let this go if Romney is elected.

3). Where did Romney claim to live in 2009. According to his voter registration, having recently sold his MA home, Romney listed his address as his son's unfinished basement when he voted in the Scott Brown special election. If he filed his taxes under his CA address, then he's guilty of voter fraud. If he filed under his MA address then he likely owes CA an additional 10% in income tax. (If you spend more than 183 days in CA, have a CA drivers licence, or get your credit card/bank statements mailed to CA then they consider you to be a resident and you have to pay state tax).
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, it means the GOP put up a non-conservative so people would rather vote for a third party conservative. Get over it and blame the GOP and voters for the pick that were more concerned about getting Obama out then getting a conservative candidate.



If I called you a liberal when you're not, is that flattery? I don't think so. Figure it out, it's not that hard.
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A vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for Obama.
 
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MaggieD said:
A vote for a third-party candidate is a vote for Obama.
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A vote for Romney is a vote to destroy America, yaaaaay, I can be like you dealing in only two choices too. :roll:

OMG our country is so ****ed with such limited thinking from people.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So if Romney doesn't give you complete access to his house, is he hiding something? Seriously that is the most ****ed up reasoning I've heard.
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Romney is not running on his expertise to mantain a house. So I am not interested in looking at his house. He is HOWEVER running on his expertise as a business person so therefore it is only reasonable for me to want to see what kind of businessman he is - which means I want to see his tax returns.
Its VERY reasonable, and most AMerican agree or else this wouldnt be such a huge issue everyday.

Furthermore, it is a matter of TRUST. If Romney wants to win then the American people are going to have to trust him. And we do not TRUST someone who refuses to release his tax returns.
 
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CONSagainROMNEY said:
Romney is not running on his expertise to mantain a house. So I am not interested in looking at his house. He is HOWEVER running on his expertise as a business person so therefore it is only reasonable for me to want to see what kind of businessman he is - which means I want to see his tax returns.
Its VERY reasonable, and most AMerican agree or else this wouldnt be such a huge issue everyday.

Furthermore, it is a matter of TRUST. If Romney wants to win then the American people are going to have to trust him. And we do not TRUST someone who refuses to release his tax returns.
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You say it's a matter of trust, however, how far does it go. YOU are asking for his tax records, but where does it stop? That was my point. At what point are you satisfied with Romney? My guess is there is no point at which you will be.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You say it's a matter of trust, however, how far does it go. YOU are asking for his tax records, but where does it stop? That was my point. At what point are you satisfied with Romney? My guess is there is no point at which you will be.
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Well you guess wrong - which isnt uncommon for people who make assumptions about people that they do not know...As far as tax returns go, 12 years.

Mithros said:
I'd be satisfied with just the 2009 return.

As far as I'm concerned there are three legitimate reasons that Romney should release his tax returns, and they all revolve around the 2009 return.

1). Is Romney honest? Romney said that he's paid more than 13% every year. Most tax experts believe that Romney paid little to no taxes in 2009 because of loss harvesting due to the financial collapse. Everyone acknowledges that Romney has has serious credibility issues and a habit of relying on "retroactive" statements.

2). Did Romney take advantage of the IRS amnesty in 2009? We already know that he signed off on the Son of Boss transaction Marriott was caught using in 2004. He also has Swiss bank accounts, Cayman island business addresses, and owns property that is known to be used as an illegal tax shelter. Sure we have no proof, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty high. And GOPers remember, tax evasion is a federal offence. Amnesty or not, it's still a "high crime or misdemeanour". Don't think for a second that the Democrats are going to let this go if Romney is elected.

3). Where did Romney claim to live in 2009. According to his voter registration, having recently sold his MA home, Romney listed his address as his son's unfinished basement when he voted in the Scott Brown special election. If he filed his taxes under his CA address, then he's guilty of voter fraud. If he filed under his MA address then he likely owes CA an additional 10% in income tax. (If you spend more than 183 days in CA, have a CA drivers licence, or get your credit card/bank statements mailed to CA then they consider you to be a resident and you have to pay state tax).
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These are all good points. The thing I find to be so depressing about Romney is that when he was running for governor of Mass he was demanding that Ted Kennedy release HIS tax returns!

Romney caught in a lie on tax return demands - Video on NBCNews.com

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-slams-romneys-long-history-of-hypocrisy-on-tax-returns/
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm not one of that growing number of Conservatives. I've never looked at the released tax records of any president; that's not what is ever going to determine who I vote for. We all vote in our own self-interests. My self-interests (and, I believe, those of our country, btw...) are served by having a more conservative man in the White House than Obama. Period. End of story.

If Obama is elected, and he has the Democratic votes to get it done (like his first two years), I fully expect an amnesty program that will turn people's hair grey, a mass forgiveness of student loans, and other liberal policies that will take our country further down the road towards Greece and others.

I have faith in Romney to change the course.
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Change the course to what? He hasn't really given any ideas on the economy. All he is talking about is medicare which if he is elected wouldn't go into effect until 2024.
 
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TheNextEra said:
A vote for Romney is a vote to destroy America, yaaaaay, I can be like you dealing in only two choices too. :roll:

OMG our country is so ****ed with such limited thinking from people.
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I'd be satisfied if he actually carried out a conservative agenda as he promises he will. I still have my doubts, though adding Ryan adds some credibility to the budget aspect of his campaign. There are still other aspects that are hard to know, like repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something that doesn't force people into buying a type of product or tax someone for not.
 
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