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Liar Romney Accuses President Obama Of Raiding The Medicare Trust Fund

Each of them, and the Roadmap, despite the differences I had with each. Like Romney, I have no interest in letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

But that doesn't really have any impact on the fact that Obama cuts Medicare for current seniors by $716 Billion.
You're wrong about Obama cutting Medicare for current seniors:


First things first: Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut a dollar amount from the Medicare program’s budget.

Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.

What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

Hospitals, too, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-said-barack-obama-first-history-rob-me/
 
You're wrong about Obama cutting Medicare for current seniors:

First things first: Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut a dollar amount from the Medicare program’s budget.


:lol: yes, they "cut the growth"

which, as I have demonstrated THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAS ALREADY ADMITTED IS A CUT TO SENIORS BENEFITS :)
 
:lol: yes, they "cut the growth"

which, as I have demonstrated THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAS ALREADY ADMITTED IS A CUT TO SENIORS BENEFITS :)

Wrong, under the ACA prescription drugs are lower and preventive care is available.
 
Wrong, under the ACA prescription drugs are lower and preventive care is available.

:) the medicare actuaries, the president, and america's physicians disagree :)
 
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MEDICARE STABLE, BUT REQUIRES STRENGTHENING


The Medicare Trustees Report released today shows that the Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is expected to remain solvent until 2024, the same as last year’s estimate, but action is needed to secure its long-term future. In 2011, the HI Trust Fund expenditures were lower than expected.



Without the Affordable Care Act, the HI Trust Fund would expire 8 years earlier, in 2016. The law provides important tools to control costs over the long run such as changing the way Medicare pays providers to reward efficient, quality care. These efforts to reform the healthcare delivery system are not factored into the Trustees projections as many of the initiatives are just launching.

:lol:
 
um, yes. Spending in Medicare would increase. However, spending in Obamacare would decrease by a greater amount, meaning that the government spending overall would still be reduced.

I thought you supported such efforts?
 
I thought you supported such efforts?

I support reducing Medicare expenditures wisely. In such a manner as to provide a drag on health care cost inflation, to increase the choices available to seniors, and make sure we are taking care of the most vulnerable of our elderly if necessary at the expense of the benefit that we provide to our wealthy elderly. I want to reform our old-age programs to take better care of us over the long term at a lower price. Not deliberately take worse care of us in order to be able to hide behind a politically palatable green curtain (No Cuts To Seniors! Only Cuts To The People Who Provide Them With Care! Even Though In A Fee For Service Model Fees = Services, We Can Cut Fees And Use Magic To Keep Services! :roll: ) If possible, I think we probably shouldn't cut from current retirees, who have very little ability to adjust. The Medicare cuts that the President puts in are done badly, and the harm that they do is especially offensive because it is done to pay for the monstrosity of Obamacare.
 
Yup. Politifact continues to lean left in it's subjective assignment.

:D some of this stuff is downright funny. For example, it's a lie to call any of the cuts "cuts", since they only reduce the growth in future spending rather than a raw dollar reduction in total spending.

Except that A) this means that the Ryan plan also does not "cut" anything from Medicare, or Medicaid, or anything at all for that matter and then B) the politifact article then goes on to describe the cuts as "cuts" further down the page :lol:

If you follow Politifact you will see they research their claims and call them out and that includes everyone dems, repubs, media, etc. They have won a pulitzer prize unless you want to call that a lean to the left too.
 
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