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LMFAO... no, it's my personal knowledge from my experience in dealing with them...

It's your ASSUMPTION that I was making an ASSUMPTION... what's that expression? Never make an...

Ah, gotcha. You see these folks on the street and then follow them around for a couple weeks to profile them....
 
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Let's look at Romney's time at Bain Capital...

First, it's called Bain Capital for a reason, it was not Romney's Idea, but Bill Bain's idea, Romney's boss. Romney was just doing as he was told... but, but, but he was very successful at Bain Capital. True... let's look at that.

In 1984, when Bain Capital started, the Dow as around 1100. When Romney left as CEO in 2000, the Dow was around 11,000, or a 10x increase. A monkey could have made money on Wall Street during this time by throwing darts at the financial pages from the Wall Street Journal. So, was Romney really that smart, or just lucky? As is the case in so many success stories... it comes down to right place at right time.

LMFAO... A lot of monkeys went broke on Wall St when it crashed... A lot of other monkeys that had companies had them collapse in 1992...

One such monkey was Bill Bain himself... who invited Romney to take his failing company Bain & Co over in 1990... which Romney came on and rescued that company during the recession, and had it turned around in 92...

That would beg the question... was Bill Bain's company successful because of Bill Bain, or was it successful because Bill Bain hired Romney...

I'd like to ask you though... what you think the DOW has to do with Romney investing in and making management decisions for companies? How are private equity firms that do venture capital and LBOs tied to the DOW? Maybe you should look at his work again... It wasn't making money on Wall St :lamo

He wasn't making money by investing in Wall St, he made his money by investing in struggling companies, sitting in on their boards, looking at the data, making decisions on what they should do differently in order to survive... and then letting the companies fix themselves... so they became profitable... and he could then sell off the company to a much larger bidder, who saw the company he fixed potential...

That wasn't Bill Bain's original idea... many of those companies already had existed for decades before that... So don't make it seem like the creative genius of Bill Bain is what Romney is indebted to... It's just that's how the promotion works in that industry... Bain was CEO and Director, and he's not going to move out of the way for Romney, so he has Romney head up a new operation... Only... Romney's operation turned out to be FAR more profitable than anything Bill Bain ever did...

So how is it supposed to be a negative on Romney, that his expertise was looking at failing organizations, finding ways for them to improve what they do, then execute it?

That's exactly what he's running on doing for the US... He's not running on creating an entirely new United States of America, off his brilliant idea of governance... He's running on, knowing theres problems with the US, having some ways to improve it, suggesting he can find more as he gets a more detailed look and control of the process, and that he will be able to execute those changes to success...

Again, Romney's company also changed industry standards of success, and methods of operation...

(might also help to point out some of these companies he helped start such as Staples, Sports Authority, etc. are major employers still today)

That's also not Romney's only business experience... as he was heavily recruited out of Harvard and joined Boston Consulting initially, and rose up through there rapidly... then moved to Bain & Co, which he rose up through rapidly as well... For most people it takes ages to rise through the corporate ladder like that... for Mitt Romney, he breezed through it... Not by any friends of his father, but by his own merits...
 
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Ah, gotcha. You see these folks on the street and then follow them around for a couple weeks to profile them....

LMFAO... You act like I transport myself physically into the city to pay rent, then disappear from the city without ever associating with anyone...

The fact that you disbelieve I know hundreds of people who have been on some form of welfare is rather telling on how ridiculous your mindset is...

You must live in some fairy tale land where other people don't ever come into contact with each other... That people have only ever just walked passed each other on the street... that no one interacts sporatically throughout life...

Also, ones I'm discussing as well are the ones who live in the multiple shelters which surround my work... who then go into 7-11 and cause scenes at the counter that their EBT card has money on it, so they should be able to buy prepared snack food (ignoring the fact that their SNAP benefits can't be spent on prepared foods)

The other thing you completely ignore is that I've been involved with the DTA and the welfare process myself in the recent recession, and I've waited around at the offices with those very people, and have heard their conversations...

So... would you rather keep avoiding addressing the actual topic with these side discussions? Because, if so, I'll let you carry-on on your own...

Otherwise, it would be wise to admit you can't counter the argument with anything relevant, and are just being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian...
 
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LMFAO... You act like I transport myself physically into the city to pay rent, then disappear from the city without ever associating with anyone...

The fact that you disbelieve I know hundreds of people who have been on some form of welfare is rather telling on how ridiculous your mindset is...

You must live in some fairy tale land where other people don't ever come into contact with each other... That people have only ever just walked passed each other on the street... that no one interacts sporatically throughout life...

Also, ones I'm discussing as well are the ones who live in the multiple shelters which surround my work... who then go into 7-11 and cause scenes at the counter that their EBT card has money on it, so they should be able to buy prepared snack food (ignoring the fact that their SNAP benefits can't be spent on prepared foods)

The other thing you completely ignore is that I've been involved with the DTA and the welfare process myself in the recent recession, and I've waited around at the offices with those very people, and have heard their conversations...

So... would you rather keep avoiding addressing the actual topic with these side discussions? Because, if so, I'll let you carry-on on your own...

Otherwise, it would be wise to admit you can't counter the argument with anything relevant, and are just being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian...

Wow, you associate with HUNDREDS of welfare recipients! That is ... unbelievable.

Sorry for addressing the point you raised ... what was I thinking? So ... fewer than 1.5% of adults are on welfare, and of that 1.5%, I'm sure that a majority are legitimately trying to get off it. IMO, this is not at the top of the list of problems we need to deal with.
 
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Wow, you associate with HUNDREDS of welfare recipients! That is ... unbelievable.

Pols: Welfare abuse runs deep - BostonHerald.com

Pols: Welfare abuse runs deep

By John Zaremba and Chris Cassidy
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - Updated 5 months ago

"A convicted drug dealer — who cops said wanted to use cash from his taxpayer-funded EBT card to post bail — is the new face of welfare abuse, according to tough-minded lawmakers who are pushing the reform-resistant Patrick administration for a crackdown.

Kimball Clark, 45, was locked up Friday on drug-dealing charges — again — when he was overheard using his one phone call to ask the person on the other end of the line to “get my EBT card and go to the ATM and get the money to bail me out, get me outa here tonight,” according to a Boston police report.

“It’s another outrage,” said state Rep. Shaunna O’Connell (R-Taunton), a member of the EBT Task Force who criticized the group for failing to push tough restrictions on the use of the controversial cards. “When we were on the EBT Card Commission, I fought to get bail bondsmen on that list of places where people could not use their EBT cards. They fought me on it and told me people can’t use their EBT cards in that way.”

Beacon Hill was forced to mull reforms after the Herald reported people were spending welfare cash on booze, cigarettes and scratch cards.

“Obviously the Department of Transitional Assistance has no idea how people use these cards and how the cards work,” O’Connell said.

Continuing coverage in today’s Boston Herald:

DeLeo targets EBT card abuse in proposed budget
Calif. Pol.: Mass. should ‘make it harder’ to game system

State Rep. Russell E. Holmes (D-Boston), another advocate for tough reforms, said he was hardly surprised that a drug suspect would try to bail himself out with money from a taxpayer-funded EBT card.

“It’s exactly the type of activity that can occur when folks are allowed to get money off their EBT card,” Holmes said.

Clark, who gave police a South End address, is charged with distribution of heroin within 1,000 feet of a school. He posted bail and was released, but it is unclear where he got the money. Police said he had $758 in cash on him when he was busted Friday in what cops say was a deal in progress in Dorchester, but that cash was seized. Efforts to reach Clark for comment yesterday were unsuccessful. It is unclear whether he has an EBT card assigned to him. His prior convictions include assault and battery in 2007 and cocaine possession with intent to distribute in 2006, according to the Suffolk District Attorney’s Office.

Because cash is hard to trace, EBT-funded bail payments could be widespread, Holmes said. “One of the arguments I’ve heard is we don’t know how much fraud and abuse there is. But that’s the problem — we don’t know because there’s no way to track it. When it comes to how much of this has happened in jail, there’s no way for us to know that.”

O’Connell and other lawmakers filed a bill last week pushing for tougher regulations than those recommended by the EBT commission, which advised banning the cards at nail salons, tattoo parlors, strip clubs and casinos — but not at ATMs, jewelry stores, health clubs, rent-a-centers and cruise liners.

O’Connell’s bill specifically prohibits bail bondsmen from accepting EBT cards and bars cash access through ATMs. O’Connell said her bill also would have allowed the Boston police officer overhearing the suspect’s call to inform him he couldn’t use the card toward his bail."


Maybe you're right... it could just be me... :roll:

Sorry for addressing the point you raised ... what was I thinking? So ... fewer than 1.5% of adults are on welfare, and of that 1.5%, I'm sure that a majority are legitimately trying to get off it. IMO, this is not at the top of the list of problems we need to deal with.

LMFAO @ addressing the point I raised... sure ya did...

btw... check your stats...

1.5% of adults derive over 50% of their income from welfare... 8% of adults are on welfare (and we are covering for most of their kids, too)...

More egregious is that over $1T is spent across the US on welfare each year... (although with your ardent support of Obama, I could see where you have no problem spending over $1T that we shouldn't have to spend per year)...
 
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The latest polls show that Barack and Willard are tied nationally.
 
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The latest polls show that Barack and Willard are tied nationally.

That is all well and good, except national polling means little given this is a state by state contest.... on that front, Obama is is pretty good shape...

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map

Obama needs only Wisconsin (or Colorado), Michigan (or Virginia), Ohio (or Florida) and New Hampshire (or Nevada), where he leads in each. OTH, Romney pretty much has to run the table on the toss-ups or get a leaning swing state to actually swing.... the odds remain very much against him, though it is doable. If the election were held today, its pretty much an Obama mandate...

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups
 
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All of the polls of today could be completely meaningless tomorrow. To even fancy the data is a waste of time
 
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That is all well and good, except national polling means little given this is a state by state contest.... on that front, Obama is is pretty good shape...

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map

Obama needs only Wisconsin (or Colorado), Michigan (or Virginia), Ohio (or Florida) and New Hampshire (or Nevada), where he leads in each. OTH, Romney pretty much has to run the table on the toss-ups or get a leaning swing state to actually swing.... the odds remain very much against him, though it is doable. If the election were held today, its pretty much an Obama mandate...

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

Thanks to picking Ryan as his VP Romney has made states like Wisconsin and Michigan battleground states.......States Obama won easily in 2008 and states he can't afford to lose.......
 
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Thanks to picking Ryan as his VP Romney has made states like Wisconsin and Michigan battleground states.......States Obama won easily in 2008 and states he can't afford to lose.......

Losing Wisconsin and Michigan really does make things hard for Obama. If he loses those two states he'd definitely need to take Ohio, where his polling has been surprisingly robust so far, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada or Iowa. That is assuming that if Obama can't win states like Wisconsin and Michigan, he can't win Florida or North Carolina.

That said, as of right now Obama still has a small lead in Michigan and a smaller one in Wisconsin, so Romney still needs to make up a little more ground to pull this out.
 
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Losing Wisconsin and Michigan really does make things hard for Obama. If he loses those two states he'd definitely need to take Ohio, where his polling has been surprisingly robust so far, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada or Iowa. That is assuming that if Obama can't win states like Wisconsin and Michigan, he can't win Florida or North Carolina.

That said, as of right now Obama still has a small lead in Michigan and a smaller one in Wisconsin, so Romney still needs to make up a little more ground to pull this out.

Obama is not going to lose Michigan. Aug. 27: Michigan Isn't a Tossup - NYTimes.com
 
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I read that article earlier and I agree with it, which is why I said that Romney still has more ground to make up in Michigan. Still, Obama's lead right now, even though it is probably larger than the latest polls have been showing, is still only in the low to mid single digits. And it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Romney could take the state if his position improves.
 
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Losing Wisconsin and Michigan really does make things hard for Obama. If he loses those two states he'd definitely need to take Ohio, where his polling has been surprisingly robust so far, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada or Iowa. That is assuming that if Obama can't win states like Wisconsin and Michigan, he can't win Florida or North Carolina.

That said, as of right now Obama still has a small lead in Michigan and a smaller one in Wisconsin, so Romney still needs to make up a little more ground to pull this out.

Most of those states Obama won easily in 2008 and that it not happening now...........As far as Michingan goes that is Romney's home state and Wisconsin is Ryans........Don't see them losing there. Its a horse race though, I will give you that.
 
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Most of those states Obama won easily in 2008 and that it not happening now...........As far as Michingan goes that is Romney's home state and Wisconsin is Ryans........Don't see them losing there. Its a horse race though, I will give you that.

Odds are against Romney winning either. Michigan is not even really in play. Wisconsin might go Romney but it is not likely. Here is a present for you NP, a collection of the most recent polling:

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Most of those states Obama won easily in 2008 and that it not happening now...........As far as Michingan goes that is Romney's home state and Wisconsin is Ryans........Don't see them losing there. Its a horse race though, I will give you that.

Romney only gets Michigan if he is able to attract that 20% of the Black vote that you predicted that he would easily get nationwide. LOL....good luck there.
 
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